hacksaws?

[JjKk40]

A new Bonney pickup i got compared to a Klein saw that I got from my dad!

 

[Lesserstore]

RTM suggested that I put what I said in the Bonney thread here, which was that Drier Bros., and later Easco after 1981, made hacksaws for a lot of different brands. Here's a list of all the brands I have found so far:

Craftsman
Klein
Disston
Proto
P&C
Ridgid
SK
Bonney
Snap On
Herbrand
Millers Falls
Allen

 

[d42jeep]

Do you think that Nicholson made this saw or did they buy it from another manufacturer? I picked it up at an estate sale to be a user and put a new blade on it.
-Don

 

[Pexto]

... the 8" straight handle saw with star emblems is perhaps Millers Falls ...

I've got a couple of old saws that are similar to Tom's (one Starrett, one metal-handled Diamond). They're really handy, but the blades are terribly dull. But I can't seem to find replacements locally.

Does anyone know where 8" hacksaw blades might be available?

 

[slowtwitch73]

Craftsman made one (or branded one) just like the Bonney and Kleins above. I didn't care much for the design.. was flexy and hard to tension.

 

[tombell572]

RTM, thanks for the additional input on my 8" saw. If anyone has a source for 8" hack saw blades, please pass it along. They don't seem to be available through any of the usual sources.

Here's another one I had forgotten about, made by K-D.

Tom B.

 

[Pexto]

Here's my two 8" saws I mentioned earlier. One by the Diamond Saw Co., the other from L.S. Starrett.

The blades are quite dull, but I can't find any replacements. Sounds like a few of us are looking for 8" hacksaw blades with no luck!

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Here's another one I had forgotten about, made by K-D.

Nice. One of my favorite K-D pieces, Tom. The huge raised letters dual function like a knurled grip.

 

[RTM]

. If anyone has a source for 8" hack saw blades, please pass it along. They don't seem to be available through any of the usual sources.

I just bought a saw using short blades. I plan on cutting down 12" blades to be able to use it. Little cut, little grind, hole punch, and away we go.

But i did look for 8" for a while.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

As I have said before, I don't pick up hacksaw frames too often, unless they're bonafide WWII, or if they are just different or unique. I thought the mechanism on this K-D No 99 was nifty. I just posted it on the K-D thread, but I am going to double-dip it here to bump this thread.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Added a Starrett this morning.

 

[kwigly]

A couple of hacksaws with perforated metal stick handles.
A cast iron handle, on a "star" saw (mentioned earlier by tombell and pexto), missing its 8" blade.
A decorative brass handle (might be aftermarket ?) on an old saw with an illegible name stamp.

 

[four.cycle]

Interesting that you would post that lower saw today.
Just yesterday a member started a thread with a interesting piece made by Wheeler Madden & Clemson Mfg. Co. of Middletown, New York.
Digging around for some information on Wheeler Madden & Clemson, I found this site. Scroll all the way to the bottom of the page and you will find that saw.

 

[kwigly]

Clemson Bros were selling Star hacksaws and blades here in Ontario from their Canadian branch office in Hamilton in the 1920s , but I don't know if my cast handle "star" saw was one of theirs

 

[kwigly]

Three hacksaws from the "accumulation"
The oldest one has the wooden grip and is stamped "Union Tool Co, Orange, Mass, USA". Not common, It is shown in the 1921 Union Tool Co catalog as their most expensive hacksaw (with two other more commonly found stick handle hacksaws), but has disappeared by the 1941 catalog.
The upper one is a "Rolls" made in England and is a nice User with its rigid frame and thumbwheel for tensioning. !950s English advertising modestly states it is "the world's most wonderful hacksaw"
The lower one is a Millers Falls No.84, not uncommon as it was first introduced in the 1930s, and continued in production at least into the 1970s. Very pretty with its "unbreakable" translucent red Tenite handle (a Scott G favorite) and also a great User with a strong frame, advertised with American modesty as "the finest frame ever made"

 

[tom coffey]

I found this at a flea market today for $2.

 

[Farmer J.]

I found this at a flea market today for $2.

That's a fair price for something made by Laytool.

 

[RTM]

Here is a fun one I found at my hoarder’s estate sale. Never seen this style before, but it uses a cut off blade, allowing it to get into tight spots and blind holes (sorta). There was so much crud on it, the front of the blade looked permanently attached, but the **** end moved. No markings, anyone have a clue?



I have a thing for oddball hacksaws, a couple of shop made, etc, but I did turn down a tiny one using what looked like 6” blades this weekend.

Edit: A late discovery, this looks like a Bridgeport, see more here

hacksaws?

An undated one with info https://archive.org/details/atkinshacksaws/mode/1up?q=+Hoosier 1906 https://archive.org/details/ECAtkins1906Catalog114Mb/page/70/mode/1up?q=+Hoosier Things Get murky before that. Thanks RTM. Wow...1906. I didn't realize this hacksaw was that old.

www.garagejournal.com

 

[four.cycle]

^ I have to wonder if the device was actually designed to hold a regular hacksaw blade, and that one just got broken off.

 

[RTM]

Absolutely a possibility. But I like the short stubby bit, supported to the end. Other ways to get what you suggest. This gets you extra stiffness with minimal overhead (and I know people will be chuckling about that)

 

[four.cycle]

^ yeah... exactly like that... full blade, minimal handle. I have one here somewhere... cheapie black plastic handle.. had to buy it to cut a hole into something long ago.

 

[tombell572]

Here's a P&C "Lowboy" I found at a hoarder tag sale (posted with other stuff on that thread a few weeks ago but better served here). It takes a standard 10" blade. Perhaps similar in purpose to RTM's nice little guy posted above--great for tight spots.

Tom B.

 

[mvcorse]

I found this at a flea market today for $2.

It seems that the Leytool's mechanism is reproduced by Facom？





Very effective way of sawing holes.

 

[mvcorse]

Facom has been making fancy hacksaws, and their latest version is still made in France which is quite handy.
Here's one of my favorite hacksaws back to the 1960s.

And I did some restoration work.

 

[Joe Huld]

You save me hours of research, and those Craftsman catalogs are not in the public domain, so it was indispensable. Looking forward to your thread.


I don't know about papaw's but he hasn't been here in awhile. I have a printout of his nifty color-coded list & timeline in a sleeve in one of my hobby notebooks that I would update with a pen from time to time after checking in with him on GG, last update EDIT: 2018, and it does not include a "BP."


Valid question, which I wondered myself upthread. I don't have any modern hacksaws to see if this is still true, but I suspect the more-or-less standard ability to rotate the blade 4 ways on vintage hacksaws (see Pics) sufficed with enough users, or at least enough merchandising people. Think about it this way - I am so used to that feature even 70+ years later that it completely blinded my intuition on this Morris Patent Union Hardware design even after taking it apart! But it is not the same. It takes a lot more fiddling and time to loosen both ends, re-hook the blade, and re-tighten both ends, for one thing. And more significantly, rotating the entire frame from the handle provides much more clearance - the entire height of the frame, in fact, which is 4 inches. A rotated blade is still in-line with the frame. This mid-30's Union/MERIT hacksaw really is amazing.

Here is another variant of the Union/Merit hacksaw frame. This one is branded "Capewell". I believe that Capewell is the company who still manufactures horseshoe nails. I've encountered several "Capewell" wood working planes which were manufactured by Pexto. Pexto as well as other manufacturers would gladly make customer branded products so long as the customer placed a minimum order.

 

[RTM]

Here is my current hacksaw collection. The two yellow ones may not be vintage, but we go all the way back to antique. In guesstimated order of vintageness. All acquired used.

Two Starrett 145, and a Disston, all high tension. My favorite users. I tend to dedicate blades to a use, so labeled SS, Alum etc on the flip side.




A Craftsman with the longer C, the only vintage “normal” one I have.




Two close quarters saws, the top is unmarked, posted above, the bottom is by Chicago Specialty Mfg, cast aluminum handle, scored it yesterday. Trying to find a patent, but guessing 50s, so these might be older than the Craftsman above.

Edit: Late find, the top one appears to be a Bridgeport

hacksaws?

An undated one with info https://archive.org/details/atkinshacksaws/mode/1up?q=+Hoosier 1906 https://archive.org/details/ECAtkins1906Catalog114Mb/page/70/mode/1up?q=+Hoosier Things Get murky before that. Thanks RTM. Wow...1906. I didn't realize this hacksaw was that old.

www.garagejournal.com

Oops, and with an 8” Bonney, bought for real money from an online seller.



These two have the appearance of being made in HS shop class, the 2.04 reminds me on being student #4 in 2nd period. The longer one looks like a knock offs of one seen elsewhere, Proto or Plomb perhaps.





And the (possible) Antique of the party, a Simonds with 1908 design patent, capable of 8,10, 12” blades, shown with a 10”. There are holes in the spine that the ends lock into. This has an interesting blade rotation lock on the screw. This was to go to a friend for clean up and use, but he has since passed out of acquisitions mode, so will take this on, eventually. The wooden handle has a break around the top screw.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

...an 8” Bonney, bought for real money from an online seller.

Nice.

A Craftsman with the longer C,

That's the Heritage era logo. Very late 40's through 50's.

And the (possible) Antique of the party, a Simonds with 1908 design patent,

Sweet.

 

[d42jeep]

Here is a Millers Falls hacksaw that’s been hanging in the garage of our summer home for at least 31 years and probably much longer. I periodically use the little hacksaw.
-Don

 

[mvcorse]

Here is a Millers Falls hacksaw that’s been hanging in the garage of our summer home for at least 31 years and probably much longer. I periodically use the little hacksaw.
-Don

That cellulose acetate handle is beautiful！

 

[d42jeep]

Thanks. The hacksaw originally belonged to my 89 yr old sister in law’s father. It’s held up incredibly well.
-Don

 

[MAD]

Here are a few of my compact hacksaws.
Millers Falls Versa-Hack, Estwing 10" Low Clearance, and Estwing Handy Saw

 

[tombell572]

MAD, my P&C Lowboy pictured in post #142 appears identical to your Estwing Low Clearance saw. Wonder who the actual manufacturer was.

Tom B.

 

[MAD]

MAD, my P&C Lowboy pictured in post #142 appears identical to your Estwing Low Clearance saw. Wonder who the actual manufacturer was.

Tom B.

Both of my Estwings and your P&C were made by Dreier Bros. inc of Chicago Ill. I have seen them branded Klein, Snap-on, Challenger, etc...
https://books.google.com/books?id=DuMDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA38&dq#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

[mvcorse]

Both of my Estwings and your P&C were made by Dreier Bros. inc of Chicago Ill. I have seen them branded Klein, Snap-on, Challenger, etc...
https://books.google.com/books?id=DuMDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA38&dq#v=onepage&q&f=false

and Facom.
However, the handle has COO 'France' and the saw blade clamping part is different, I believe it is made by Facom itself. Did they use Dreier Bros. for reference?

 

[MAD]

I believe it is made by Facom itself. Did they use Dreier Bros. for reference?

No doubt, maybe originally licensed from Dreier. I found the Facom 606 in a 1975 catalog which at that time the Dreier U.S. patent was still in effect.https://patents.google.com/patent/US2966931. Looks like Facom still makes and sells a version of this tool (#606A).

 

[mvcorse]

No doubt, maybe originally licensed from Dreier. I found the Facom 606 in a 1975 catalog which at that time the Dreier U.S. patent was still in effect.https://patents.google.com/patent/US2966931. Looks like Facom still makes and sells a version of this tool (#606A).

Yes, they do.
The earliest version can be found in Catalogue 1964, which is later than the Dreier U.S. patent granted.

 

[RTM]

Speaking of Dreier, I thought I had at least one more hacksaw. Found it under some stuff waiting to be put away on some just assembled shelves.

Here it is, the one just mentioned in another thread, Dreier Challenger No 360 hacksaw

 

[d42jeep]

I found 1-1/2” Craftsman hacksaws today. The half is a Crown in quite nice condition. The complete hacksaw is much earlier.
-Don

 

[RTM]

Hey all, in another thread we wandered off topic from tool holders to hacksaws. Rather than muddy the waters further over there, thought I’d bring the discussion to the hacksaw thread. The question revolved arounf the Millers Falls company call a tool Patent, rather than name the patentee.

While originally looking for Tool Holder information, I found some info on the Star Hacksaw blade, that somehow became leveraged to Star Hacksaws. Turns out MF entered into an agreement to be the sole agent for the Clemson patented blade, and held that role for 40 years. Details on this page of old tool heaven.

Millers Falls Company History: Clemson Brothers, Albert Goodell, Langdon Mitre Box

An industrial history of the Millers Falls Company from 1880 though 1900

oldtoolheaven.com

Here are many patents issued to George N Clemson, many for hacksaws. The last two are for the Star Hacksaw Blade

Patents for George N. Clemson

And patents for Clemson Brothers and other companies with the clemsons in it.

Patents for Clemson Bros., Inc.

Patents for Wheeler, Madden & Clemson Manufacturing Company

Patents for Wheeler, Madden & Clemson

Patents for Wheeler, Madden, & Clemson Mfg. Co.

 

[Tostal]

Facom has been making fancy hacksaws, and their latest version is still made in France which is quite handy.
Here's one of my favorite hacksaws back to the 1960s.

And I did some restoration work.

Amazingly similar to one I have that was made by 'Eclipse' in England...
Note the instructions for tensioning the blade and the little recommendation (or advert) to use 'Eclipse' blades





but then I remembered Eclipse was part of James Neil Tools which iirc was taken over by Facom.
I vaguely remember Facom selling a hacksaw in the 1970's with an amber plastic tensioning knob on the handle (same color as their screwdrivers).

~Tostal.