hacksaws?

[mvcorse]

Amazingly similar to one I have that was made by Eclipse in England...





but then I remembered Eclipse was part of James Neil Tools which iirc was taken over by Facom.
I vaguely remember Facom selling a hacksaw in the 1970's with an amber plastic tensioning knob on the handle (same color as their screwdrivers).

~Tostal.

This kind of design can be still found in some Japanese hacksaws, patent expired. I'm on a small project of restoring all vintage Facom hacksaws, including these isoryl style ones. I would show them later.

 

[mvcorse]

Facom 603 restoration. Catalogue 1978.

 

[mvcorse]

Facom 603 restoration. Catalogue 1964.

 

[Shiftless]

mvcorse:

WOW! That is a stunning restoration on a tool that we don’t often see restored.

 

[mvcorse]

mvcorse:

WOW! That is a stunning restoration on a tool that we don’t often see restored.

Thanks, Shiftless

 

[mvcorse]

Now a rough timeline of Facom hacksaws can be listed. Please excuse me for putting in something non-vintage hacksaws.

 

[four.cycle]

wow! excellent!

 

[RTM]

Now a rough timeline of Facom hacksaws can be listed. Please excuse me for putting in something non-vintage hacksaws.

And all those hard copy color catalogs are almost as exciting as the saws themselves.

 

[mvcorse]

And all those hard copy color catalogs are almost as exciting as the saws themselves.

It took a long time to collect the catalogues, but it was well worth the wait.

 

[d42jeep]

It took a long time to collect the catalogues, but it was well worth the wait.

Maybe you can provide some information on my Facom Frankenstein ratchet. I’ve had it for quite a while but don’t have any idea when it was made.
-Don

 

[mvcorse]

Maybe you can provide some information on my Facom Frankenstein ratchet. I’ve had it for quite a while but don’t have any idea when it was made.
-Don

It could date back to at least the 1950s. In my earliest catalogue (1956) can already find it. This product disappeared in catalogue 1964 when they started using the 'single wing' logo.
The exact year? I'll keep tracking

 

[d42jeep]

Thanks for checking and for the information. I’ve wondered for a long time.
-Don

 

[mvcorse]

Thanks for checking and for the information. I’ve wondered for a long time.
-Don

My pleasure

 

[Pexto]

I love it when two guys who know way more than me about tools start chatting, and I get to listen in.

My eye was drawn to the tool storage on the right-hand side of that catalog page. Mvcorse, you shared a really nice Facom toolbox with us a while back - do you have others? Also could you please explain the 'goujonniere' in the catalog image? J'y comprends rien, ca n'existe pas aux Etas Unis. Merci!

 

[Dave455]

I love it when two guys who know way more than me about tools start chatting, and I get to listen in.

My eye was drawn to the tool storage on the right-hand side of that catalog page. Mvcorse, you shared a really nice Facom toolbox with us a while back - do you have others? Also could you please explain the 'goujonniere' in the catalog image? J'y comprends rien, ca n'existe pas aux Etas Unis. Merci!

They still make basically the same box. BT.6A. I have a couple of these. Nice boxes.

 

[d42jeep]

Since I was guilty of slightly derailing the thread, I took a picture of three early Crescent hacksaws today.
-Don

 

[mvcorse]

I love it when two guys who know way more than me about tools start chatting, and I get to listen in.

My eye was drawn to the tool storage on the right-hand side of that catalog page. Mvcorse, you shared a really nice Facom toolbox with us a while back - do you have others? Also could you please explain the 'goujonniere' in the catalog image? J'y comprends rien, ca n'existe pas aux Etas Unis. Merci!

Glad you remember that! I don't have any other vintage toolboxes with that size or bigger, but have smaller ones instead, will show them in the corresponding thread. The 'goujonniere' that you mentioned is also a mystery to me
I'm not in Europe, can't speak French either by the way.

 

[four.cycle]

I want to go out and buy some saws now.

 

[genog]

I have 5 plus a small one
Nothing fancy, just good ole saws

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Also could you please explain the 'goujonniere' in the catalog image?

The 'goujonniere' that you mentioned is also a mystery to me

According to our live-in nanny, a leggy, vivacious Haitian, a goujon is a stud. Based on what she's always whispering in my ear, anyway. Extrapolating from that info, and looking at the image of part number J 266 in the catalog again, I'm inferring that a goujonniere is a stud puller. Adjustable, apparently, from 6 to 100mm.

I'm not in Europe, can't speak French either by the way

This surprised the heck out of me, but it almost makes my impression of you, your 79 posts, and your obviously FACOM-centric collection since your arrival here on GJ late last year even more bow-worthy. Meaning, the age, volume, diversity, and condition of your FACOM collection is incredible, and your admiration for it as a brand speaks for itself without need for explanation. That you've amassed it from outside of France, and outside of Europe, is even more amazing.

 

[mvcorse]

According to our live-in nanny, a leggy, vivacious Haitian, a goujon is a stud. Based on what she's always whispering in my ear, anyway. Extrapolating from that info, and looking at the image of part number J 266 in the catalog again, I'm inferring that a goujonniere is a stud puller. Adjustable, apparently, from 6 to 100mm.

This surprised the heck out of me, but it almost makes my impression of you, your 79 posts, and your obviously FACOM-centric collection since your arrival here on GJ late last year even more bow-worthy. Meaning, the age, volume, diversity, and condition of your FACOM collection is incredible, and your admiration for it as a brand speaks for itself without need for explanation. That you've amassed it from outside of France, and outside of Europe, is even more amazing.

Many thanks and I'm flattered. Educated and inspired by this forums, it took a while for me to focus on Facom tools. Generally the conditions of vintage tools that I collected are poor, but it it fun to restore them with a fresh look. I'll keep posting thing about this brand, which depends on the time of restoration work.
Would you please show a picture how a stud puller like this works? It can be link to a corresponding thread since I don't want to make any deviation to this hacksaw thread.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Since @slowtwitch73 was the only one who got it, or at least the only one who laughed, this...

According to our live-in nanny, a leggy, vivacious Haitian, a goujon is a stud. Based on what she's always whispering in my ear, anyway.

...was a joke.

Would you please show a picture how a stud puller like this works?

I don't know how it works. The only vintage stud pullers I have on hand in my collection are the kind that have three different size holes and a swinging knurled eccentric wheel that grabs the broken bolt with the torque of the drive tool. The FACOM J266 kinda sorta looks like a wedge type, where one of a few different size loose wedges would be put inside that hole on the side wall to lodge against the stud. But I don't see any detachable accessory pieces shown. The only other kind of vintage stud puller I am aware of has captive bearings or other loose pieces that lodge against each other and the stud with force. The drive opening is facing down, obviously. I don't if that smaller hole on the drive end is for a detent ball or what. That large cross-drilled hole looks like it might be for a cross-bar. But that's all conjecture.

 

[Farmer J.]

According to our live-in nanny, a leggy, vivacious Haitian, a goujon is a stud. Based on what she's always whispering in my ear, anyway.

I got the joke, had a laugh, but just couldn't think of a good reply! How do you follow that?! Maybe someone should draw a new cartoon for your avatar..

Also, I don't know what a goujon is either. Except sometimes a chef uses that name for small pieces of chicken, I didn't know what it meant on a menu so had to ask the waitress..

 

[tom coffey]

Here's a hacksaw I found today that I have not seen before. There is no makers marks on it that I can see. Only lettering is where someone named Pete 57(?) engraved his mark.


Anybody got one? Can anyone identify the manufacturer? Know the age? Thanks.

 

[confidant]

I collect hacksaws also.
Problem is, never have had much luck cutting with them!
They bind, they jump out of the cut,
Im guessing poor technique and or cheap blades?

 

[d42jeep]

I got this rusty treasure at an estate sale on Saturday. I finally finished cleaning it up. I’m not familiar with the brand. ATCO Made in USA.
-Don

 

[Private Lugnutz]

This is a 16" butchers' bow saw, not a hack saw, but I don't think the OP will mind me leaving it here, especially since we don't have a general saws thread. Wheeler, Madden, and Clemson dates to 1860, but I think this No. 2 is early 1900's.

 

[slowtwitch73]

Here's a hacksaw I found today that I have not seen before. There is no makers marks on it that I can see. Only lettering is where someone named Pete 57(?) engraved his mark.


Anybody got one? Can anyone identify the manufacturer? Know the age? Thanks.

That strikes me as a bone/meat saw.

 

[RTM]

Here is a recently acquired Blue Point high tension hacksaw picked up a few weeks back.

Not terribly vintage, but very usable.




Info on the reverse side of the handle Suspect it is the same as the Dreier patent, but still digging. Introduced some time after 1953 catalog

US Patent: D178,504 - Hack saw

US patent D178,504 Hack saw was issued to Raymond C. Dreier of Chicago, IL. It was granted on 08/14/1956. Example found on ebay marked Made in the U.S.A. for The Henry G Thompson & Son Co New Haven, Co. Pat. D178504 - {2,796,098}. See also patent {2,849,03

datamp.org

US Patent: 2,796,098 - Hand-saw construction

US patent 2,796,098 Hand-saw construction was issued to Raymond C. Dreier of Chicago, IL. It was granted on 06/18/1957. Example found on ebay marked Made in the U.S.A. for The Henry G Thompson & Son Co New Haven, Co. Pat. {D178504} - 2,796,098. See also US patent {2,849

datamp.org

 

[four.cycle]

^ Did I just send you a mess of stuff on Thompson/Dreier? Or was that somebody else? (Different steward?)

Dreier / Dreier Bros. Inc., 7301 Woodlawn Ave., Chicago, IL / acquired by Easco 19?? / saw / patent D178504 Aug 14 1956 & 2796098 Jun 18 1957 Raymond C. Dreier /

Thompson / Henry G. Thompson Co., New Haven, CT (H.G. Thompson & Son) / est. 1879 inc. 1898 / "Milford" "Master Grip" hacksaw / patent D178504 Aug 14 1956 & 2796098 Jun 18 1957 Raymond C. Dreier /

It certainly looks to ME like Thompson outsourced that particular model FROM Dreier, based on my interpretation of what appears on the handle on this unit:

Thompson hacksaw (patent D178504 2796098)(photo: ebay)

(* and yes, it was a different steward - within the last 72 hours - I also sent him the "saw chart" photo image as well. how cozy - we were in the same rabbit hole almost at the same time! *)

for those who may be shopping: Milford hacksaw

 

[genog]

I love it when two guys who know way more than me about tools start chatting, and I get to listen in.

I enjoy this forum since I don't know very much about vintage tools

 

[Drill Sergeant Arc]

Well, I have a hacksaw that is a one of a kind. The maker only made one.

My dad made it around 1936-38 when he was an apprentice metal worker and store bought tools were a item of discretionary spending. The handle is repurposed Bakelite. It’s a tank that has outlasted all the other ones that have come and gone.

 

[Mintgrun]

The handle is repurposed Bakelite. It’s a tank that has outlasted all the other ones that have come and gone.

That's cool. I like seeing all the maker's marks.

The handle looks more like Micarta than Bakelite. It's much more durable than Bakelite, which tends to be brittle. I just googled it and learned that the imbedded fiber is (often) linin.

 

[Drill Sergeant Arc]

That's cool. I like seeing all the maker's marks.

The handle looks more like Micarta than Bakelite. It's much more durable than Bakelite, which tends to be brittle. I just googled it and learned that the imbedded fiber is (often) linin.

Well thank you, I’ve often wondered why that saw handle was so tuff as opposed to all those Bakelite radios and things we had around when I was a kid. I broke enough of those things I’m probably considered an expert at.

 

[tom coffey]

My first, I think, Forsberg, a #80. This saw, and a few more in my collection appear to have been nickel plated originally. I might try some DIY plating.

 

[d42jeep]

Forsberg hacksaws had a very cool whale logo. Here is a ’58 catalog shot. Yours is likely a little earlier.
-Don
Here is an earlier one of mine showing the logo clearly.
-Don

 

[Drill Sergeant Arc]

Forsberg hacksaws had a very cool whale logo. Here is a ’58 catalog shot. Yours is likely a little earlier.
-Don
Here is an earlier one of mine showing the logo clearly.
-Don

Bridgeport, Conn. I’m imagining they at one time made saws for rendering whale carcasses into useful products.

 

[rustyzman]

I have a few to toss in the mix.

First is my all time favorite hacksaw. It was my first one, that I picked out of a garbage can when I was around 12-ish years old. Millers Falls no.12. The handle was in very poor broken condition when I found it way back then and it has served with a taped up handle since. I decided it was time to redo the handle properly, so I made a new set of handle scales out of some Micarta. I only had one of the original handle chicago screws, so I made two new brass ones as well. I did a quick cleanup on it while I was at it.

Its been a long time coming, but it is finally back up to snuff.

I found this one listed in the 1925 Millers Falls catalog, but not the 1915 one. It does not seem to have been offered for very long. It is a nice design, with a long frame and a low handle placement in relation to the blade. It was almost certainly a more expensive saw to make, as it has a more intricate design than many of the more popular ones that were available at that time and those that subsequently came after.

 

[rustyzman]

Second one has a bit of Provenance to it.

This is a very old homemade hacksaw that was owned by movie director Robert Zemeckis' Grandfather. (Back to the Future, Forrest Gump, etc.) He was known to him as Grandpa Z as I understand it.

Some years ago my wife and I were at his estate sale in Island Lake and we bought quite a number of interesting things there. This is not something I use, just have it as a collectible item because it seemed someone should save it rather than it be disposed of. Grandpa Z was quite a woodworker and finish carpenter, at least as a hobby and all the woodwork in that vacation house was done by him. He did nice work.

I believe this was hand forged, though I don't know who actually made it. Obviously in the end someone was cutting tile or something with it as this is exactly how I found it at his house with the grit rod in it.

 

[Firebrick43]

Facom 603 restoration. Catalogue 1964.

Are new plastic bits still available or are you casting your own?