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The Copilot

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Does anyone know of a company that made a ball peen hammer head larger than 48 oz (3 lbs)?

I picked up a decent vintage Champion De Arment ball peen that weighs in at a whopping 48 ozs. It is marked with a small number "8" on the underside to indicate the weight.

Alloy Artifacts lists the following ball peen hammer sizes produced by Champion De Arment:

Marking / Head weight (oz) / Head measurements (in)

6/0 / 3 / 0.75 x 2.00
5/0 / 4 / 0.75 x 2.50
4/0 / 6 / 0.88 x 2.75
3/0 / 8 / 1.00 x 3.25
2/0 / 12 / 1.13 x 3.63
0 / 16 / 1.25 x 4.00
1 / 20 / 1.38 x 4.25
2 / 24 / 1.44 x 4.75
3 / 28 / 1.50 x 4.75
4 / 32 / 1.63 x 5.00
6 / 40 / 1.75 x 5.38

I think we can now expand this list to include a size 7 (44 oz) and a size 8 (48 oz):

7 / 44 / ?.?? x 5.??
8 / 48 / 2.50 x 5.63
 

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Outlawmws

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Does anyone know of a company that made a ball peen hammer head larger than 48 oz (3 lbs)?

I picked up a decent vintage Champion DeArment ball peen that weighs in at a whopping 48 ozs. It is marked with a small number "8" on the underside to indicate the weight.

Alloy Artifacts lists the following ball peen hammer sizes produced by Champion DeArment:

Marking / Head weight (oz) / Head measurements (in)

6/0 / 3 / 0.75 x 2.00
5/0 / 4 / 0.75 x 2.50
4/0 / 6 / 0.88 x 2.75
3/0 / 8 / 1.00 x 3.25
2/0 / 12 / 1.13 x 3.63
0 / 16 / 1.25 x 4.00
1 / 20 / 1.38 x 4.25
2 / 24 / 1.44 x 4.75
3 / 28 / 1.50 x 4.75
4 / 32 / 1.63 x 5.00
6 / 40 / 1.75 x 5.38

I think we can now expand this list to include a size 7 (44 oz) and a size 8 (48 oz):

7 / 44 / ?.?? x 5.??
8 / 48 / 2.50 x 5.63


Below is the "Industry Std" list I have, I also have a 44 oz head so I agree with the size 7, and I also have some 1 oz heads, and at least 1 < 1 oz. ; so besides the 7/0 I'm showing, at least an 8/0.

On one larger than 48; I went seriously looking to find anything and the closest I found was a "ball peen sledge" made by a company in England and only during WWII II. -- Found my notes on that one:

4 1/2Ib Ball Peen Sledge Hammer made by 'J. H. SWIFT & SONS LTD., SHEFFIELD' dated 1940 and stamped 'SOLID CAST STEEL'


2 oz = 7/0
4 oz = 5/0
4 oz = 5/0
6 oz = 4/0
8 oz = 3/0
12 oz = 2/0
16 oz = 0
20 oz = 1
24 oz = 2
28 oz = 3
32 oz = 4
40 oz = 6
48 oz = 8?
 
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I have a champion dearment southern pacific rr stamped 40oz. It has a 6 cast in in the exact same spot. Never seen a 48 oz in person, nice find!

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well... actually I did, but it's been a few months.... I read through the entire thread, believe it or not....

after re-reading your first post, now my other arm is sore too! ;)
 

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Does anyone know of a company that made a ball peen hammer head larger than 48 oz (3 lbs)?

I picked up a decent vintage Champion DeArment ball peen that weighs in at a whopping 48 ozs. It is marked with a small number "8" on the underside to indicate the weight.

Alloy Artifacts lists the following ball peen hammer sizes produced by Champion DeArment:

Marking / Head weight (oz) / Head measurements (in)

6/0 / 3 / 0.75 x 2.00
5/0 / 4 / 0.75 x 2.50
4/0 / 6 / 0.88 x 2.75
3/0 / 8 / 1.00 x 3.25
2/0 / 12 / 1.13 x 3.63
0 / 16 / 1.25 x 4.00
1 / 20 / 1.38 x 4.25
2 / 24 / 1.44 x 4.75
3 / 28 / 1.50 x 4.75
4 / 32 / 1.63 x 5.00
6 / 40 / 1.75 x 5.38

I think we can now expand this list to include a size 7 (44 oz) and a size 8 (48 oz):

7 / 44 / ?.?? x 5.??
8 / 48 / 2.50 x 5.63
I didn't realize 48oz ball peens were uncommon, I picked up this blue point bp 48b not too long ago.

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The 48 oz Champion De Arment head is all cleaned up now and ready for a new handle. Clean up process was as follows: 15 hour soak in straight distilled white vinegar. Hand-held wire brush scrub under warm running water to remove the iron oxide residue, spray coating of WD-40 (to displace any residual water in the micro pores), and a rubbed-on coating of Renaissance Wax. Got a 16" machinists handle (American hickory) and now it's hand fitting time. Even though this handle came with one wood wedge and one steel wedge I'll be putting in two steel wedges for added security on a head of this weight.
 

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What do you use yours for?

-Nigel

Greetings Nigel and apologies for the slow response...

My Fubar has proven useful for destroying wooden pallets, use as a pry-bar, and as a sledge stand-in for 'bumping' things into position. It's also fun to use for general demo purposes on residential wood construction...

And yes, should the Zombie apocalypse come to pass (Or, more likely "The Big One" earthquake) I feel somewhat prepared to meet the challenge(s)...

Cheers,

Jon
 

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P&C 1306, 6oz ball peen. I tried to reuse the handle with ok results.

Brian
 

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The Copilot

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Cut a filler piece for the front gap, add some wood glue and drive it home...

I was going to suggest that same procedure as well. I keep all of my hickory "trimming" as well as old broken handles for just such a purpose. They come in handy when you need little pieces to "fill up" gaps in a newly-rehandled head.
 

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I don't have the quantity or quality that some of you have but I have a few. I am "restoring" a few of them as I get time.

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My Estwing...


Estwing is a really cool company, because Ernst "Estwing" Johansson came from Sweden in year 1900 to USA.

https://www.google.se/maps/place/Pe...5974343ad0!8m2!3d57.0662402!4d16.932292?hl=sv


"Many were the Ölanders that during the decades around the turn of the century suffered "America fever" and emigrated to seek happiness "over there".

For all, it was not well, but there were several items with welcoming dollar that was sent over the Atlantic Ocean and home to less fortunate relatives during this time.

One of them actually managed to out there was a poor boy Ernst Johansson from Norra Holm Persnäs, who went out in 1900 and became a successful inventor and industrialist in Borgholm twinning Rockford.

Ernst, who in America took the name Ernest Estwing, namely received a patent for a hammer and built up a company that today employs over 400 people."


My hammer together with the Estwing camping axe:



I also like my deadblow hammer from Wiha, not cheap, same money as the Estwing.



 
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Finished up the 48 oz Champion De Arment this weekend. Here is a pic:
 

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Thanks to this sight hammers are one of the many things I can't pass up....found this one at ReStore for .50. Never seen one quite like it and I haven't had any luck finding the logo on line...Anybody know anything about this one?

All the info on here is much appreciated.


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I got this 48oz BluePoint ball peen this weekend at the flea for the low low price of $1. Gonna clean it up some and put a new handle on it. Lucky I picked up some old NOS hammer handles at the flea market last weekend.
This makes the largest ball peen in the drawer.
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And will probably remain so! AFAIK 48 oz (3 lbs) is the biggest that are made, except for a "ball peen sledge" around WWII

Of course, someone will probably take a 10 Lb sledge and turn one... :lol:
 

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I bought a couple of hammers at a yard sale last weekend, only one has a marking on it and I cannot find anything about it. Hoping one of you might have information on it, thanks in advance.
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I bought a couple of hammers at a yard sale last weekend, only one has a marking on it and I cannot find anything about it. Hoping one of you might have information on it, thanks in advance.
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That looks like an older version of the hardwood flooring clete/nailer hammers we have at work. Big rubber end for hitting the nailer and other side (ours are squared) for aligning and tightening the boards.
 

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Thanks to this sight hammers are one of the many things I can't pass up....found this one at ReStore for .50. Never seen one quite like it and I haven't had any luck finding the logo on line...Anybody know anything about this one?

All the info on here is much appreciated.


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Bumping this post cause I saw one at the local thrift store. They wanted $5 so I didn't buy it. Can anyone here shed some light on this hammer?

Brian
 

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Bumping this post cause I saw one at the local thrift store. They wanted $5 so I didn't buy it. Can anyone here shed some light on this hammer?

Brian

Rileysan, I've heard that called a pin maul or a shipwright's maul. The idea is a large hammer for driving steel nails (think wooden shipbuilding big) or maybe wooden dowels (?). the narrow end is for countersinking. Sorry I'm not more authoritative. Hope that gives you something to go on. :dunno::lol:
 

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I've been on a hammer making kick lately. Here are the ones I have made recently.

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From left to right:
Lead hammer I cast with 3d printed mold (made handle from broken pitchfork handle); lead hammer from large rod material I was given; aluminum hammer; delrin mallet with homemade handle; carving hammer / maul that my 9 year old made for me while I was making the mallet he made the handle too.

I'd like to make a rawhide hammer or copper hammer next. Just need to find some scrap material.
 

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Need some help from the Craftsman gurus on a couple of ball peen hammers. The larger of these (16 oz head) I picked up in Marshalltown, Iowa, a few months ago and the smaller one (4 oz head) was found locally at an estate sale. The larger one had a black rubber end cap on the handle when I found it but it was badly cracked and un-saveable. Underneath the rubber cap were some marking stamped into the end of the handle. The photo that shows the black rubber cap markings is on the smaller hammer.

I looked these up in the old Craftsman catalogs and the late 1940s-early 1950s listings mention the rubber end cap. Does anyone know what company made these hammers for Sears? Is the "SBW" an abbreviated marker's mark? The shape and forming of the head don't look like anything produced by Vaughan. I've seen number-coded markers marks on Craftsman tools but that is about it. They are nicely-made hammers and I would love to know more about them. Looks like they were offered in 4, 8, 12, 16 and 24 oz head sizes.

Also attached below is the PDF of the patent for the rubber grip.
 

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SBW may be the maker of the handle?

Have you looked up the Pat No. on the rubber cap for who it was licensed to?
 
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Sorry, I didn't see that,

Well the .pdf didn't have it, but Google patents did: assigned to: Chester G. Hellyer, but that was no help either...
 

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Anyone know who made these ball peen hammers for Craftsman?

Need some help from the Craftsman gurus on a couple of ball peen hammers. The larger of these (16 oz head) I picked up in Marshalltown, Iowa, a few months ago and the smaller one (4 oz head) was found locally at an estate sale. The larger one had a black rubber end cap on the handle when I found it but it was badly cracked and un-saveable. Underneath the rubber cap were some marking stamped into the end of the handle. The photo that shows the black rubber cap markings is on the smaller hammer.

I looked these up in the old Craftsman catalogs and the late 1940s-early 1950s listings mention the rubber end cap. Does anyone know what company made these hammers for Sears? Is the "SBW" an abbreviated marker's mark? The shape and forming of the head don't look like anything produced by Vaughan. I've seen number-coded markers marks on Craftsman tools but that is about it. They are nicely-made hammers and I would love to know more about them. Looks like they were offered in 4, 8, 12, 16 and 24 oz head sizes.

Also attached below is the PDF of the patent for the rubber grip.
 
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Ball Peen hammers are very difficult to attribute to a particular maker. There were so many companies making hammers, and two primary "head patterns" and some less common sub patterns...

If I had to guess, I'd say possibly Vaughn over Plumb.
 
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