Hand impact driver with torx bit?

[twistinglane]

I'm taking the transmission pan off a VW. Held on by a lot of T27 screws - that are sticking. I want to try a hand impact driver. But not sure what setup will fit. (I have an oldie Craftsman 1/2 inch hand driver with the standard 5/16 hex bits. Don't see easy way to get a torx bit with this. ) And I have car on jack stands so not lot of room if start adding a couple adapters.

 

[2oolhound]

The end with the 6 point socket end for your 5/16 hex bits is just an adapter. Yank it off and you'll find a 1/2" anvil.

 

[twistinglane]

Yes. And then what to go from 1/2 to T27 conveniently? 1/2 drive 1/4" sockets - to hold a standard bit - seem uncommon. I now located a 1/4 drive impact on Amazon and that may be best way to go? https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...nce-Tool-W2503-Impact-Extractor/dp/B00MXFFPVY

 

[stonesfan68]

You'll need to get an impact bit holder and the T27 impact bit. I know that Wiha makes them both.

https://www.wihatools.com/bits/bit-sockets/impact-bit-holding-socket-3-piece-set

https://www.wihatools.com/torx-terminator-impact-insert-bit-2-pack


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[ssdave]

http://mrotools.com/480-tx-27x-5-16-apex-brand-torx-insert-bits.aspx

Torx T27 with 5/16" shank. Readily available from Apex

 

[dnschmidt]

Why not just use a cordless impact driver and a normal T27 power bit. These things put out over 100 ft-lb's which is more than the screw is going to be able to take without breaking anyway.

 

[KnurledNut]

Dewalt DW2298.
Lowes used to carry this. Might still.

 

[twistinglane]

Thanks, guys. Have three good solutions here. And I've learned about quality driver sources. Now to see if I can get one delivered quickly and cheaply.�� BTW, wanted to go hand impact driver route as was starting to strip screw head just with L handle torx wrench. These are recessed and will be a pita if wreck the heads.

 

[tonyciambrone]

I'd be pretty hesitant to start swinging a hammer towards any sort of oil pan....they are really screws and don't have a hex head with a t27 cut in them? that *****...

 

[T45]

... wanted to go hand impact driver route as was starting to strip screw head just with L handle torx wrench.

L handles flex alot and this is bad for breaking things...as you seemed to intuitively understand...the torque just becomes a spring action on the key....

One other trick to try is to use much stiffer configuration, eg the t27 stubby sockets by hazet, VIM and snap-on are all going to be much stiffer than any L-key. Add a 90degree sliding t-handle and you can avoid any obstructions that would prevent using a your
hand-impact-driver.

https://store.snapon.com/Stubby-Bit...ile-Ratchets-Bit-Stubby-TORX-T27-P650292.aspx

https://store.snapon.com/TORX-174-Stubby-chrome-3-8-quot--Socket-Driver-TORX-Stubby-T27-P648578.aspx

If you are in a pinch, for something cheap, the t27 stubby bit is only $5 shipped. This can be used with a magnetic 1/4 hex bit holder and a 1/4 or 3/8 sliding t-handle...

 

[KWtech90]

Thanks, guys. Have three good solutions here. And I've learned about quality driver sources. Now to see if I can get one delivered quickly and cheaply.�� BTW, wanted to go hand impact driver route as was starting to strip screw head just with L handle torx wrench. These are recessed and will be a pita if wreck the heads.

It really sounds like an impact gun and a quality torx bit socket set will be your best bet in order to insure that you do not damage the fasteners any further. Holding steady upward pressure on the back of the impact should keep you from camming out the fastener any further if it is not damaged beyond repair.

 

[SnapOnAddiction]

Cut the t27 L handle into a bit then find th3 corresponding 3/8 drive 1/4 socket ,epoxy the bit you made in and bam your done now use a 1/2 to 3/8 reducer they're you go.

I make my own bit sockets all the time it's cheap and easy if you have alot of extra L keys and sockets ,you can make them any length you want.

 

[toolenthusiast]

I kinda wanna call BS on this. Are you saying that you have a T27 socket on the fastener, the socket fits tightly, and it won't come out with a ratchet? How stuck can they be? Are they stripping?

 

[KnurledNut]

On the ones that are stuck, you could also try tapping them first with a big bolt or extension, and a hammer.
If they still strip, the Irwin bolt grip extractors should grab the outside of the bolt and remove them.

(You will probably also need a T40 for the filter.)

For installation of the pan bolts, depending on vehicle, the torque should be somewhere around 10 n.m.

 

[twistinglane]

Thanks, guys. I ordered the Wiha bit holder that stonesfan68 mentioned. That will leave me a few options with impact driver or just ratchet.

 

[Tonyuk]

Hit them with a bit of penetrating oil before you work on them, leave for around 30 mins to loosen the rust around the head up a bit.

We use standard 3/8 drive ratchets with extensions to get them off. I wouldn't put any impact drivers near them as the aluminium pans are fragile and can crack if hit. Buy the best quality torx bits you can afford, the heads can be stripped very easily if the bit is even slightly too small, we get supplied all torx bits in work from Mac and they fit nicely.

Make sure to buy a good quality gasket kit, we've had a few in complaining of leaks and the gaskets used when serviced buy independents have been a bit short, depending on the model you might need sealant but this isn't common.

The bolts need to go back on in the right order to seat the gasket properly or you'll have leaks, careful to torque them down properly as they can strip quite easily.

 

[gungatim]

had the same problem with my daughter's when I had to do the oil pan to replace the oil pump pickup (clogged with rtv and other junk).

I had to use the cutoff wheel/dremel to slot several of them to use a straight bit on the hand impact since several of the torx were rounded out. they all came out fortunately and I replaced them all with allen cap screws instead.

 

[theoldwizard1]

I had to use the cutoff wheel/dremel to slot several of them to use a straight bit on the hand impact since several of the torx were rounded out. they all came out fortunately and I replaced them all with allen cap screws instead.

I am not certain that Allen head screws are any better for that application, but in both cases, use a small pick to clean out the recess so that your tool can fully seat !

 

[dnschmidt]

I've got to be missing something here. Doesn't damn near everybody have a 1/4" hex cordless impact driver? I've only got six of them (at last count there could be more - OPPS I forgot that I'd bought a Milwaukee Surge so that makes 7). That's such a better solution than using a hand held impact driver and hammer. Also, the tool has so many other purposes I don't see spending money buying a bit for $20.00 with shipping when you can get an impact driver at the HD relatively cheaply (like Ryobi).

 

[gungatim]

I've got to be missing something here. Doesn't damn near everybody have a 1/4" hex impact driver? I've only got six of them (at last count there could be more - OPPS I forgot that I'd bought a Milwaukee Surge so that makes 7). That's such a better solution than using a hand held impact driver and hammer. Also, the tool has so many other purposes I don't see spending money buying a bit for $20.00 with shipping when you can get an impact driver at the HD relatively cheaply (like Ryobi).

nope. I've only ever seen 3/8" hand impacts. bits are $5 a set, but larger than a normal cordless screwdriver bit which is the OP's issue. supposed he could try a cordless drill, or buy a cordless impact, but why spend $200 for a tool rarely used when you can get a hand impact for $10...

 

[rlitman]

I've got to be missing something here. Doesn't damn near everybody have a 1/4" hex impact driver? I've only got six of them (at last count there could be more - OPPS I forgot that I'd bought a Milwaukee Surge so that makes 7). That's such a better solution than using a hand held impact driver and hammer. Also, the tool has so many other purposes I don't see spending money buying a bit for $20.00 with shipping when you can get an impact driver at the HD relatively cheaply (like Ryobi).

I am inclined to agree with you here.

A hammer actuated impact has the advantage of providing both forward force, as well as rotational torque at the same time. This is especially of use in phillips fasteners, but is also useful on slotted screws where the bit wants to jump out of the slot.

But with torx (or with a hex head), or any fastener where the forward impact is of little use, I would just put the bit on a power impact driver instead.

 

[shockwave]

Another option for you will be the small 1/4 turbo sockets that make contact at shoulder of fastener I would try before I would use hand impacts on pan these should not be that tight at all

 

[jonesg]

Any rarely used cordless impact should be confiscated and redistributed to those who appreciate tools. I believe its a fed law. no?

 

[48548]

This is what I have... toptul, proto, wera, wiha, snappy.... koken

 

[48548]

The wera was a 5/16 bit

 

[ecotec]

That Koken hand impact driver is beautiful.

I have a Lisle 3/8" and a Tekton 1/2". I love the Lisle and I hate the Tekton. I wish that I had spent the extra $10 and bought the Lisle 1/2"...

 

[Finky198]

Hey 48548 who makes those quick change bit adapters they look really nice.

I have the same exact Koken driver too an excellent tool.

 

[48548]

Hey 48548 who makes those quick change bit adapters they look really nice.

I have the same exact Koken driver too an excellent tool. [emoji481]

Wera.... not cheap... I paid a lot from chads for them, all different ones.... I think for an example, the 1/2 drive 5/16 was 23$.

 

[Finky198]

Thanks!!!

Yeah but they look cool... ¥¥¥

 

[zeke markham]

Several companies make 1/2 drive, 1/4 inch bit holders. Slap that on your hand impact and Bob's your uncle.