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ekimneirbo

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I have always given HF an even break, and felt that brands like Snap On were way overpriced. Everyone has their opinion as to what they think is ok. Let me admit up front that I am a confirmed "toolaholic" and have had my share of name tools, and I also have a lot of older specialty tools like a lathe, mill, sliproll,4' and 10' sheetmetal brakes, lots of aircraft tools, a Miller Tig,a Miller Mig, Esab mig, micrometers, dial indicators, and several homebuilt overhead cranes. The point is that I'm not a cheapskate or a newbe when it comes to spending money on tools. I don't care what it says on the tool, if its a decent tool for a decent price, I'll buy it.
When it comes to toolboxes, I usually bought Craftsman in the past but have had Kennedy (machinist) and some other brands. When I saw that HF was introducing its Icon brand with an eye toward putting a dent in Snap Ons stranglehold on the professional mechanic world. I was glad to see it.
So I bought some engines that I want to rebuild/hop up and I bought some more specialty tools that will let me do what I want. I decided that I wanted to purchase a tool box that would be located close to my engine stand/ workbench and I could put the specialty tools and stuff in an organized and handy place.I never needed, and still don't need a $5000 toolbox. I had a perfect spot to put a 44 in top and bottom box.
So the HF saga begins.........
They have a sale on a Blue 44" bottom box. I take the coupon to the store and they tell me its a "preorder" sale. I go ahead and buy it because its $60 off and its a nice box for $440. Then they tell me it will be a month before it arrives. I can't believe it takes that long, but the no-nothing associate gives me her best guess. It arrives 2 weeks later. They have no top boxes in stock either.....but they can order it. I decline and call the other local stores and one of them actually has one in stock.........but its dented. Turns out the dent is on the corner of a drawer and hardly noticeable. I negotiate a $100 off the $300 box and take it with me. A couple days later I'm putting tools in the boxes and fiddling with the keys for two boxes. I lay both sets of keys in a drawer and start organizing tools. I pick one set of keys up (top box) and leave the other there. As I open and close drawers, the bottom box locks and the keys are in it. Awsh** what a dumba** I am....but why did the box lock? I contact the store and they can't help. They tell me to contact HF on line. After the normal "we have a high volume" message,The "no-nothing" lady tells me they will send another key&lock assy. I tell her I just need a key and it has to be a specific key. She tells me all of the Blue 64446 boxes use the same lock and key....and they only send lock&key, not just a key. I tell her that doesn't sound right but she assures me that she knows what she is talking about. TWO WEEKS and 1 day later the lock and key arrive. Tracking shows it took almost 3 days for it to go out. They believe because a tracking number is issued, thats the same as actually shipping it. It ends up in Indianapolis where it shows being Received by FedX 4 times and once by the Postal Service. Somehow it gets to Louisville and is received by FedX. Thats about 15 miles from me. It took from Thursday to Tuesday and ended up being delivered by the US Mail. 15 DAYS. Then they sent me the WRONG lock&key. I called again and was told by the no-nothing on the phone that I just needed to remove the existing lock and put the new one in. I explained the difficulty involved, so still not grasping the concept she has referred me to another group and I am awaiting an email that will miracously explain how to change the locked lock.

Why am I writing this? Well the idea is that HF wants to step up to the big boy league in tools and toolboxes. I was under the impression that one of the big selling points was going to be "quality tools" WITH "a lifetime warranty". My perception was that if you bought an Icon tool you could simply return it to Harbor Freight and exchange it........BUT, actually I don't know that to be true. Maybe you are going to have to deal with the same no-nothing morons that I have to deal with, the same delayed shipping practices, and the same futility. WHile they may have improved some of their tools and some of their toolboxes, they still have the same morons in customer service.
 
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I dont think, while I do feel your pain, you are giving the icon brand a fair shake... my local HF sells the 36" icon bottom for $1,999.99! So if you bought yours for 400.00 call a locksmith out to pick that lock open for less than 100 bucks and you are still 1500 ahead...
 

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Woof, that was difficult to read.

Also, at the risk of sound pedantic, it sounds like you bought a US General box, not an Icon.

Sorry about your troubles though.
 

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In the past with Gen 1 boxes they would not send keys only. Maybe this has changed with Gen 2 but it doesn't sound like it. Been there, done that.

44" is US General not Icon.

The only good customer service from hf is when the gal at the register takes back the broken junk you bought last time you were there. There's a reason they compare themselves to Snap-On and not the other way around.
 

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Thanks for the warning, but IMO buying a $400 tool box expecting $5000 service, does not seem realistic in the COVID world of today.

Overwhelmed customers service and iffy delivery schedules is not surprising.

I regret you are having cs issues.


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I would take some of the frustration out and drill the lock and replace since you have a new lock cylinder and lock.

If all the blue boxes really use the same key, may want to upgrade to another brand lock/key.
 

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US General boxes have nothing to do with Icon so the last paragraph is pretty errant. The key should have a lock code on it.
 

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I hope HF has improved their products. I gave up on them years ago when it took 4 or 5 right angle grinders to get thru a job cutting off flooring staples to install staple up hot water tubing for radiant heat. A Bosch angle grinder just kept on working, but the HF ones died or blew up - luckily nobody lost an eye or a hand.
 

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I'm certainly no fan of Harbor Freight, however, if I read this right, the only person to blame is yourself. YOU locked the keys in the drawer and removing a locked lock is not difficult at all, all you have to do is drill it out.hey said it would take a month, it only took 2 weeks. Customer service with any company is usually **** compared to what customer service used to be. You got a smokin deal on the box you wanted, sometimes **** just happens. Unless you bought the one on the truck from Snap On, that would have to be ordered as well and probably taken at least a month to get.
 

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so its their fault they sent you the wrong key after you locked it in there..
 

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I hope it made you feel better to type all that out.

I'm pretty sure that all 44" carts do not share the same key. So there is some miscommunication there. Hardly surprising it didn't fit.
 

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A first time lock picker, ie you, could have that lock open in a few minutes. A skilled picker in a few seconds.
 

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....WHile they may have improved some of their tools and some of their toolboxes, they still have the same morons in customer service.

Someone who locked himself out of a toolbox is not even qualified to call other people "morons".
 

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I empathize with disgruntled Harbor Freight buyers the first time. After that, it's on them.
 

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I guess I better remove my keys from inside my HF 44" box. Here all along I thought you needed the keys to lock the box. Perhaps he locked the box and lost the keys of course that would be his fault and wouldn't be worth writing about.
 

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I guess I better remove my keys from inside my HF 44" box. Here all along I thought you needed the keys to lock the box. Perhaps he locked the box and lost the keys of course that would be his fault and wouldn't be worth writing about.

I've had a box lock on me before with the key inside. Wasn't a HF, it was a '70s Snap On. I learned my lesson and no longer leave the keys inside the box.
 
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You know it’s not that difficult to make a pick set and rake the lock to get it open. I’ve had to do it on my 44 when I left my keys at home while I was at work.
 

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How did the box self-lock? In the 10+ years I've owned my 44" HF bottom cabinet, mine has never managed to self-lock when a drawer closes. Hell, I actually keep my keys in the top drawer while I'm working out of the box.
 

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I have the US General boxes and they have never done that are you pulling the little lever to the side sometimes I forget to do that and then I realize what is wrong. I have never had a problem with the keys or locks of them. They are great boxes I don’t know if Icon has a 44 inch box I haven’t seen one at either of my HF stores in my area just the US General.


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if it's any consolation, I did the same thing when I got a new liberty safe. fortunately I was able to get a new set of keys with their customer service process, only to realize the safe wasn't actually locked but I just didn't know how to open it properly!!

so I have a spare set of keys...it's a combo lock with a key to unlock the combination style...

as for the OP's issue, I agree with the assumption that you shouldn't expect $5k service on a $400 box...just be glad they send the barrel and key replacement. craftsman wouldn't do that, and I've seen DOZENS of used craftsman boxes with the barrel's ripped out at various sales...
 
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I'm certainly no fan of Harbor Freight, however, if I read this right, the only person to blame is yourself. YOU locked the keys in the drawer

Yes and No. I locked the keys in the box...........but have you ever seen a box that locked when you close it without you putting a key in it to lock it. If its already in the locked position it should not close.....and lock. I have never had a toolbox that did that, and I have had lots of toolboxes. The problem is that HF has a bunch of generic customer service phone answerers that have no mechanical knowledge and can't deal with a problem. They just have standard answers. When a real mechanic who must use his tools everyday has a problem, they aren't going to be able to wait weeks for help.....those are the Icon buyers and they will have to deal with the same customer service people.
 

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2 thoughts here.......

1. You box isn't an Icon, so I am not sure what the Icon line has to do with anything

2. You are expecting a "discount" b&m store to provide the same level of service of a "speciality" tool truck. Did you expect HF to send someone out to your house to fix this for you?

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2 thoughts here.......

1. You box isn't an Icon, so I am not sure what the Icon line has to do with anything

2. You are expecting a "discount" b&m store to provide the same level of service of a "speciality" tool truck. Did you expect HF to send someone out to your house to fix this for you?

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Apparently I didn't explain the connection between Icon tools and the US General Box that I bought. I did not buy an Icon box because I don't need a professional box in my personal use shop. The connection is that the people who do buy Icon tools expect to be treated like professionals (whether they are or not) and thats why they buy the lifetime warranty tools. BUT, they will still have to deal with customer service people who have no understanding of their problem. Thats where the Icon is related.

Companies make corporate decisions about the kind of people they hire to work in customer service. Ultimately the actions of the customer service department will reflect on the whole company and all of the brands they sell. Its not rocket science to set the department up with a series of actual technicians who have some mechanical aptitude. When a problem requires more than a generic response or some actual mental acuity, hit the button and transfer him to someone who can resolve the problem. Right now they apparently haven't evolved to the point where they realize that true professionals don't want lip service.
 

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One of the more ridiculous HF bashing threads in a while IMO.

High paid technicians helping out in sorting issues $50 hand tools and boxes?

The OP did get repeated responses from HF that tried to resolve what seems to be an unusual problem .

Should have returned for replacement just like with Snap On.




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When a problem requires more than a generic response or some actual mental acuity, hit the button and transfer him to someone who can resolve the problem. Right now they apparently haven't evolved to the point where they realize that true professionals don't want lip service.

Their response was not generic. They helped you in a very professional manner. They handled a problem that you created for yourself; and they handled it in just one phone call.

First, let’s summarize your entire grievance and take out all the impertinent stuff about the cost, colors, you calling other stores, top box and dents etc.:

1. You bought a box from harbor freight.
2. You locked your keys in the box.
3. You called harbor freight and they shipped you out a replacement lock and key (you don’t say it but I assume, they shipped it free of charge?).
4. You got a new lock and key in 15 days. Again, the complaints about USPS, FedEx, 15 miles from your house, are not harbor freight issues at all.
5. You did not have the mental acuity to be able to open, drill out or unlock the locked box.

If you get this frustrated and worked up in dealing with a simple issue of how to unlock a box, good luck with working on anything mechanical.
 
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Apparently I didn't explain the connection between Icon tools and the US General Box that I bought. I did not buy an Icon box because I don't need a professional box in my personal use shop. The connection is that the people who do buy Icon tools expect to be treated like professionals (whether they are or not) and thats why they buy the lifetime warranty tools. BUT, they will still have to deal with customer service people who have no understanding of their problem. Thats where the Icon is related.

The CSR looked up your box and saw one part number for the lock assembly and falsely assumed it was the same across all boxes. Fair enough, they need a bit more education in that department. You still got helped in a single phone call, free of charge, to resolve a problem of your own creation. You did not try to get a socket or wrench replaced so I dont see the correlation to all of Icon.

Does it bode well for the service you might receive on a lock assembly of a multi thousand dollar Icon box? Not really. Then again I think most of us wouldnt buy one of those even if their customer service was on the ball simply due to the price and COO with so many other available options. I doubt they'd stumble sending out simple things though like casters or drawer slides. I'm not entirely sure something like a Extreme, Montezuma, Craftsman, Home Depot, Lowes etc.. tool box would of netted you a better result. I wouldnt be surprised if all of them had to send new lock assemblies where a Snap-on, MAC, or Vidmar probably tracks locks and keys by code.
 
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OK, for all the people who were quick to jump on me as being at fault.......

If it was completely my fault I would admit it. Admiting a mistake is not that difficult and I have done it plenty of times. Any of you out there that has never made/admitted a mistake? This time I don't feel I was at fault and I'll explain in a moment.

When a company staffs it customer service department, it needs to have people or a process that actually helps, not just go thru the motions. My problem with HF is that the "lady" who handled my problem didn't even pay any attention to what was needed. Go to U-tube and you will find videos from people who had problems with unlocking HF tool cabinets and the various solutions. The question is that when a company is providing the wrong solution, why don't they listen to what the customer is telling them?

For the guy who said I should have just returned it. I waited 2 weeks to get it and there were none available at any other store. Could take 30 days (or more) and I'm trying to get this thing set up so I can work on another engine building project.


Now the explanation. I decided to drill the old lock out so I could get on with other stuff. The lock was actually pretty easy to drill out as it was aluminum in the center. Once it was loose, there is a rod that goes from the front to the rear and rotates when you turn the key. At the back of the box there are vertical bars that raise and lower. In this particular box the weight of the bars works to rotate the rod when it is installed a certain way. It could/would rotate on its own. When I set it one way, it would rotate to the open position. In other words, when I put the key in place and moved the tumblers out of the way, it would rotate to the UNLOCKED position without the key being turned by me. A slight beginning of turning the key and then it rotated to UNlock on its own.
If I rotated the rod 180 degrees and installed it, it would/could rotate to the locked position on its own. So if you unlocked the cabinet and opened a drawer and removed the key.......when you closed the drawer it would rotate to the locked position ......on its own. I think that is what happened to me because the rod was oriented that way when I took it loose. Now is that an oddity that just affects my box and maybe a small percentage of other boxes.....I don't know. The point is that if you have any toolbox unlocked, you would not expect it to lock when you close it.....whether the keys were laying in the drawer or not. And, had HFs customer service people had any simple understanding of mechanical things, they could learn from this and check their future assemblies so other customers are happier with their products.

I ordered a complete new set panels,fenders,step boards for a 49 Chevy pickup from a company that is a major supplier of replacement parts. Everything fit well except one stepboard and it wasn't even close. Since all the parts were from the same company, I contacted them. They asked me to send a picture of the problem and listened to my explanation. They made a manufacturing change and a few months later a properly made part arrived. They listened, they learned, and now they have rectified the problem. Why does anyone think HF shouldn't do the same thing?
 

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I am not sure what you are looking for. An affirmation of your belief that HF is terrible and did you wrong? If so, please know that some people will agree with you and some will not. I hope you have better luck in the future. Take care.
 
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ekimneirbo

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Not looking for affirmation and don't think that everything about HF is awful. Its a nice toolbox for the money but in at least this case there is a flaw that needed correcting. I'm simply making people aware that if they purchase a similar box to this one, they need to avoid laying their keys in the box because it may lock on its own. While many people think laying your keys inside the toolbox is wrong, I bet an awful lot of mechanics open their toolboxes every day and lay their keys inside until the end of the day. That way they don't fall out of their pocket inside some customer car. I think its pretty common. Basically just trying to insure no one has to deal with the same problem.
 

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When a company staffs it customer service department, it needs to have people or a process that actually helps, not just go thru the motions.

But that costs money - HF is a cut-rate operation.
 
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