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Steve_P

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I don't understand why no one makes a durable plastic light like the Icon, or latest Astros, that have a hinge point at the middle, AND an 18650 battery that you can swap out in a minute, like on the Brauns. Why can't these two features be combined? Even for home use, I have to swap batteries out on a longer job with the Braun; which is no issue. I often use two of these at the same time, so with the Icon, or similar, I'd need 5 lights so that I could have two on a charger at all times; 18650s typically take longer to charge than their use time. Obviously, you can say that having 4 spare batteries is the same as having 4 spare lamps, except for the $$...

I've dropped my Brauns several times from about 3' onto a concrete floor, and surprisingly they've all survived; I certainly wouldn't expect my luck to last forever, but still may replace them with the new Brauns when they fail. The new Braun looks like it has two swivel joints, which seems like a solution in search of a problem. Edit- yes this means it folds flat
 
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Thanks for the link. It looks like the 18650 has a custom pigtail and connector. The though of swapping the pigtail and soldering onto a new generic 18650 battery doesn't thrill me. Are the batteries with the connector generic or proprietary. In any event, quickly swapping batteries is not an option. I'll take the Braun any day. I have both and I don't see how it's any less durable then the Icon unless I'm missing something. I guess a hard wired battery is a slightly more reliable electrical connection than spring in a rough environment. The newer Braun is USB-C which is a welcome improvement.
So the Icon is still micro USB I take it?
 

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So the Icon is still micro USB I take it?
No, the current Braun and Icon are both USB-C.

I agree that the light panel on the Icon is strange. The larger light panel points from sideways to up and only the small light panel can point down. The Braun's single large light panel can point up, down and sideways. Most of the time I prefer downward pointing light.

Dual light panels on the Icon seems silly IMHO.

They should combine the best features of each into one light.
 

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I don't want to be changing batteries.

That was my entire goal in adopting the ICON lights.

I would go through brick upon brick upon brick of alkaline batteries, lithium (leak free silver Energizers), and Panasonic Eneloop Ni-MH rechargeable batteries... all to power elastic band headlights.

Sometimes, I'd buy headlight packages at Costco because they included extra batteries, increasing the value proposition of the purchase... fresh headband to replace the stretched out one, and a light housing without a failed hinge that flops the light down every time I looked down. The LED lamp never fails. It is all the other stuff that fails, the most costly of which was easily replaceable batteries.

Over the years, I've accumulated about a dozen Coast brand headlamps, and about a dozen Duracell brand headlamps.

A brick of batteries to run them costs $30.00. And the ampacity of a tiny triple AAA battery isn't that great. Even if the net voltage of three of AAA batteries in series (1.5 + 1.5 + 1.5 = 4.5v) is greater than 3.7v, the current capacity is less. And once depleted, it is toss the batteries and dig into the brick again time, fussing round splitting the headlamp apart to reload, etc.

With the ICON lights on sale, the cost is less than a brick of batteries, and the ampacity of the larger lithium ion cell inside is appreciated.

Frankly, I don't want to have to be bringing along extra batteries. I'd rather bring extra lights, and deploy them flexibly as needed.

Moving into the realm of flashlight charging like a cellphone (ICON's use the larger, more robust USB C connector that is emerging as the world standard for all rechargeable portable electronic devices, thanks to the EU) is relatively new to me, and I just happened to pick the ICON lights as a starting point. Therefore, while the experiences I report are authentic and genuine, they should not be interpreted as exclusive to the ICON lights.

In my instore comparison between the ICON and Braun lights, I found the ICON to be svelter, skinnier in girth, making it easier to fit in the pocket.

The broadlight setting (the longer flood lamp) in the ICON can be used while the unit remains folded in half, in the most physically compact position as possible, at any angle imaginable, without being fan folded out in order to expose the broad lamp.

I use the short lamp the most, on the lowest setting. The ICON has an intelligent memory that remembers the last setting I used when I turned off the ICON. So when I turn it back on again, even the next day, the ICON illuminates by automatically selecting the lamp and intensity setting that I last used it in, without my having to click through all the light settings before finding the setting that I like the most.

The value of some of these details did not occur to me while standing in the store trying to compare them. Hence I share these details of experience for anyone to consider when deciding on a personal portable flashlight of this nature.

I'm so thankful to no longer be a slave to replaceable batteries, even though I appreciate the fact that eventually, the internal battery in the ICON can actually be replaced. But until that becomes necessary, I'd rather just charge them until the the three green indicators light up solid.

I have a small binocular bag with 8 of them, all charged up and ready to go. I don't have to use them all at once, but I can if I need more light. Those that I don't use are like having spare batteries ready to "swap" without even twisting a cap. Those that I do use are put on a charger when I come in, and are all ready to go by the time darkness falls again.
 

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I picked up 2 of the Icon's the other day BEFORE I read the part about crappy battery access - I'll probably give the icons to somebody less picky than me.

I have about 7 or 8 of the Brauns, and I've yet to use the included charger on ANY of 'em. I have at least 8 OTHER lights (some head mount) that all use 18650's, ranging from 1 to 3 18650's each. I have a couple 4 bay chargers and a couple 2 bay chargers, and ALL my lights let me unscrew the back cap and be back in biz in under 15 seconds.

Too bad, if they hadn't FUBAR'd the battery thing it woulda been a winner... Steve
 
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I don't want to be changing batteries.

That was my entire goal in adopting the ICON lights.

I would go through brick upon brick upon brick of alkaline batteries, lithium (leak free silver Energizers), and Panasonic Eneloop Ni-MH rechargeable batteries... all to power elastic band headlights.

Sometimes, I'd buy headlight packages at Costco because they included extra batteries, increasing the value proposition of the purchase... fresh headband to replace the stretched out one, and a light housing without a failed hinge that flops the light down every time I looked down. The LED lamp never fails. It is all the other stuff that fails, the most costly of which was easily replaceable batteries.

Over the years, I've accumulated about a dozen Coast brand headlamps, and about a dozen Duracell brand headlamps.

A brick of batteries to run them costs $30.00. And the ampacity of a tiny triple AAA battery isn't that great. Even if the net voltage of three of AAA batteries in series (1.5 + 1.5 + 1.5 = 4.5v) is greater than 3.7v, the current capacity is less. And once depleted, it is toss the batteries and dig into the brick again time, fussing round splitting the headlamp apart to reload, etc.

With the ICON lights on sale, the cost is less than a brick of batteries, and the ampacity of the larger lithium ion cell inside is appreciated.

Frankly, I don't want to have to be bringing along extra batteries. I'd rather bring extra lights, and deploy them flexibly as needed.

Moving into the realm of flashlight charging like a cellphone (ICON's use the larger, more robust USB C connector that is emerging as the world standard for all rechargeable portable electronic devices, thanks to the EU) is relatively new to me, and I just happened to pick the ICON lights as a starting point. Therefore, while the experiences I report are authentic and genuine, they should not be interpreted as exclusive to the ICON lights.

In my instore comparison between the ICON and Braun lights, I found the ICON to be svelter, skinnier in girth, making it easier to fit in the pocket.

The broadlight setting (the longer flood lamp) in the ICON can be used while the unit remains folded in half, in the most physically compact position as possible, at any angle imaginable, without being fan folded out in order to expose the broad lamp.

I use the short lamp the most, on the lowest setting. The ICON has an intelligent memory that remembers the last setting I used when I turned off the ICON. So when I turn it back on again, even the next day, the ICON illuminates by automatically selecting the lamp and intensity setting that I last used it in, without my having to click through all the light settings before finding the setting that I like the most.

The value of some of these details did not occur to me while standing in the store trying to compare them. Hence I share these details of experience for anyone to consider when deciding on a personal portable flashlight of this nature.

I'm so thankful to no longer be a slave to replaceable batteries, even though I appreciate the fact that eventually, the internal battery in the ICON can actually be replaced. But until that becomes necessary, I'd rather just charge them until the the three green indicators light up solid.

I have a small binocular bag with 8 of them, all charged up and ready to go. I don't have to use them all at once, but I can if I need more light. Those that I don't use are like having spare batteries ready to "swap" without even twisting a cap. Those that I do use are put on a charger when I come in, and are all ready to go by the time darkness falls again.
The Youtube video linked above, the author said something along the lines of "no one needs a 800 lumina work-light"
I see it like this, (maybe....LOL don't have the Icon yet} Maybe I can run this one at half power, and my battery will last 2 times as long!@
 

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The Youtube video linked above, the author said something along the lines of "no one needs a 800 lumina work-light"
I see it like this, (maybe....LOL don't have the Icon yet} Maybe I can run this one at half power, and my battery will last 2 times as long!@

I have not seen the youtube video, but I do agree with you about using the dimmer light setting to have longer battery life.

Stored energy is stored energy. The less stored energy that is used to energize a bunch of surface mount devices at full power, the more stored energy remains to energize half the amount of surface mount devices at part power.

I have only used the built in charger for the ICONs.
 

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The Icon is out for me. I have the tools/ability to change the battery if needed, but the thing I like about the Braun, is when the battery gets low, I can swap the battery IMMEDIATELY and keep going without hanging up the light because it's charging.
 

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tak, fully agree - see my post#49 above... Steve
IMHO an even bigger issue is the orientation limitation of the Icon. The Icon's large light panel can't point down. It only goes from sideways to up to sideways (180 degree arc). The Braun can rotate from sideways to up and back down. (a full 360 degrees arc). Only the small light on the opposite Icon panel can point down.

How many guys that use these lights predominantly use them to illuminate sideways/upward. I'd guess the most useful orientation is to point the light downward. (ex: like into an engine compartment).

Icon should have reversed the placement of the panels lamp array or provided 360 degree orientation. The Braun is much more versatile.
 

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I'd bought a 3 A battery LED magnetic lamp, a Quantum model, and used it with great success and utility during the removal of a car body from a body-on-frame deconstruction. It worked well. The battery was strong, and it held in a horizontal position without falling-off. There was no articulation of the LED's, it was a simple 'stick light.'

Unfortunately, since I hadn't used it much in the year since I did the work, the next time I tried to use it, two of the three A batteries had leaked, and attempting to clean the contacts to restore the function was for naught.

I decided to try-out my new HFT Hercules deep-throat portable bandsaw, the benchtop chopsaw and vertical bandsaw stand I bought for it, and the 24 tpi bandsaw blade, one of 3 sizes I bought in a two-pack for each.

Here are a couple of pics of the cut, which was easy to accomplish. I didn't try to 'force' a quick-cut (no fence used) and I took my time. The cut was easy to do, and it was very accurate, as far as I could tell. Putting the light case upside-down on a piece of glass, the cut to the glass, it seems like a very-even cut.

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I think I'll use it for a pencil/marker holder at the workbench. Or on the 'pillar drill' for a soapstone marker holder.

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I'm going to try this light as a replacement. I'll be using my Inside Track Club membership for the discount.
 

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I often buy one use or limited use items from HF, but that damn Icon light is awesome use a heck of a lot more than i thought i would. Only gripe is the charger cord, none of my other usb c charge charge it, it wont last for every but the magnet is awesome the light emitted is great! Worth the price.
 
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IMHO an even bigger issue is the orientation limitation of the Icon. The Icon's large light panel can't point down. It only goes from sideways to up to sideways (180 degree arc). The Braun can rotate from sideways to up and back down. (a full 360 degrees arc). Only the small light on the opposite Icon panel can point down.

How many guys that use these lights predominantly use them to illuminate sideways/upward. I'd guess the most useful orientation is to point the light downward. (ex: like into an engine compartment).

Icon should have reversed the placement of the panels lamp array or provided 360 degree orientation. The Braun is much more versatile.

The handle part of these lights is 6" long, whether it be the Braun or the Icon.

With the handle base standing up on a horizontal surface, magnetized to a metal plate or tool table or car fender, or what have you... the folded out lamp (source of the light), when positioned such that this light source is pointing down (where you mention that only the small light on the Icon can point down), is thus only 6" away from the surface it is pointed toward.

The intensity of light from a given source varies inversely with the square of the distance of the source. (Inverse square law)

As the distance is only 6", having the large full length LED pointing down would be blinding... too much light too close to the surface it is pointed toward.

Therefore, the Icon having the small light positioned such that it points down when the 6" tall base is standing up, is a well appreciated advantage, not only in the conservation of battery energy, but also in being better able to see, without being blinded by the reflection of light from the source being too close to the surface.

On the other hand, if I want to light up a large area, then I would take advantage of the powerful magnet, and the compact size (less leverage imposed against the magnet by keeping the flashlight folded in half, which exposes the long large lamp of the Icon) and stick the thing on a vertical surface above my head. Now, the distance from the light source to the area is as much as 6 feet, rather than just 6 inches, and thus the longer, larger, LED lamp is ideally positioned to illuminate the broader area.
 
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I don't understand why no one makes a durable plastic light like the Icon, or latest Astros, that have a hinge point at the middle, AND an 18650 battery that you can swap out in a minute, like on the Brauns. Why can't these two features be combined? Even for home use, I have to swap batteries out on a longer job with the Braun; which is no issue. I often use two of these at the same time, so with the Icon, or similar, I'd need 5 lights so that I could have two on a charger at all times; 18650s typically take longer to charge than their use time. Obviously, you can say that having 4 spare batteries is the same as having 4 spare lamps, except for the $$...

I've dropped my Brauns several times from about 3' onto a concrete floor, and surprisingly they've all survived; I certainly wouldn't expect my luck to last forever, but still may replace them with the new Brauns when they fail. The new Braun looks like it has two swivel joints, which seems like a solution in search of a problem. Edit- yes this means it folds flat
I kind of like the layout of the older Brauns better than the layout of the new Icon. Folding closed like a jack knife is not a concern to me.
 

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They need to be a high vis color. Your using it because its dark and if you leave it and it shuts off, Somtimes you forget about it underneath a car. I have a few but noticed i was short one. I couldn't fiqure where I used it last. Two months later my son shuts the door of his truck and it rolled out from underneath. We had looked under before but never seen it.
Red shrink tubing makes it easier to spot.
 

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I kind of like the layout of the older Brauns better than the layout of the new Icon. Folding closed like a jack knife is not a concern to me.
I've had a lot better luck with the Icon vs the Braun, the Icon is a lot more robust and it's dropped many times and still works and folds.
 

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I've had several of the basic ones in our commercial fab shop for about 7 years now. Haven't replaced anything. They all still work as new.
 

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when positioned such that this light source is pointing down (where you mention that only the small light on the Icon can point down), is thus only 6" away from the surface it is pointed toward.
You’ve never positioned a light up higher on another surface than where you’re working? Like on a fender pointing downwards into the engine bay?
 

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You’ve never positioned a light up higher on another surface than where you’re working? Like on a fender pointing downwards into the engine bay?

Just before I began to type this, I set up 3 Icon lights, standing vertically, magnetized to metal horizontal surfaces, opened out to 90°, with the smaller light pointed down... so as to help my wife see better when she walks up the driveway, since I have a project in progress there.

As a side note... if anyone on the fence regarding the expense of these lights needs clearance from Tower to pay $25 for one, or $200 for eight, just start doing what I did. Deploy the lights where and when they will be useful to Her.

After the first couple of times I did this, it was Tower who was the one clipping the coupons, as well as stopping at HF for me to buy the next pair of lights in my collection. So word to the wise... make your first use of a new tool acquisition for Her direct and exclusive benefit... in order to keep your runway clear.

Back to this evening's Icon set up. I stuck one on a metal table that lives outside, about 39" from the ground. I put another on the metal frame of a Z rack that I use for hanging and painting parts, about 6" from the ground (net 12" including the height of the light body). I stuck a third light on the metal bumper of a motorhome, which was about 20" high.

All were on the lowest intensity setting, using the smaller lamp. Yet the illumination was better than a runway... it was as good as a store parking lot, because the light source was lower to the ground... not 20' up on lamp posts.

I've not only stuck these lamps on a fender (as previously mentioned in a prior post), I've also stuck them to the underside of the hood, for a broader flood of light across the entire engine bay, which is easier for me to see the engine. The magnet is strong enough to even attach to the narrow loop ring for the hood latch, with the body horizontal.

Alternatively, the body of the light can be vertical, magnetized to a reinforcement rib of the hood, and the lamp still folded out 90°, but since the body of the lamp is hanging upside down, the back side of the lamp is facing down, with the longer, larger lamp pointing down. It can be further refined to an angle less than 90°, to "cancel out" the angle of the open hood, and thus the lamp leg ends up level.

Yet since it is on the hood (and I bias the position to the higher part of the hood for head clearance), the distance of the larger lamp is further away from the engine. Less reflection, softer light, and lots of spillover outside of the fender, beyond the confines of the engine compartment where I have my tools on a cart (or on the ground).

When I put the light on the fender, pointed toward the engine compartment, the ground beyond the fender is in shadow, and with the source of the light being so much closer to the engine, the intensity of reflection on brighter metals (intermediate steering shaft, master cylinder, AC compressor, what have you) causes my eyes to have to reconcile the high contrast between what is within the close and intense swath of light, and what is out of sight, in the darkness, including the other side of the engine, if I only have one light with me at the time.

I guess what I am saying is that I have not found the lamp arrangement in the Icon to be a detriment. I actually find it to be quite clever and well thought out. This is just one opinion, and it is shared on the smorgasbord of opinions and experiences with no more significance than everyone else's... where one might readily find others who "see" things in a "different light."
 
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Just before I began to type this, I set up 3 Icon lights, standing vertically, magnetized to metal horizontal surfaces, opened out to 90°, with the smaller light pointed down... so as to help my wife see better when she walks up the driveway, since I have a project in progress there.

As a side note... if anyone on the fence regarding the expense of these lights needs clearance from Tower to pay $25 for one, or $200 for eight, just start doing what I did. Deploy the lights where and when they will be useful to Her.

After the first couple of times I did this, it was Tower who was the one clipping the coupons, as well as stopping at HF for me to buy the next pair of lights in my collection. So word to the wise... make your first use of a new tool acquisition for Her direct and exclusive benefit... in order to keep your runway clear.

Back to this evening's Icon set up. I stuck one on a metal table that lives outside, about 39" from the ground. I put another on the metal frame of a Z rack that I use for hanging and painting parts, about 6" from the ground (net 12" including the height of the light body). I stuck a third light on the metal bumper of a motorhome, which was about 20" high.

All were on the lowest intensity setting, using the smaller lamp. Yet the illumination was better than a runway... it was as good as a store parking lot, because the light source was lower to the ground... not 20' up on lamp posts.

I've not only stuck these lamps on a fender (as previously mentioned in a prior post), I've also stuck them to the underside of the hood, for a broader flood of light across the entire engine bay, which is easier for me to see the engine. The magnet is strong enough to even attach to the narrow loop ring for the hood latch, with the body horizontal.

Alternatively, the body of the light can be vertical, magnetized to a reinforcement rib of the hood, and the lamp still folded out 90°, but since the body of the lamp is hanging upside down, the back side of the lamp is facing down, with the longer, larger lamp pointing down. It can be further refined to an angle less than 90°, to "cancel out" the angle of the open hood, and thus the lamp leg ends up level.

Yet since it is on the hood (and I bias the position to the higher part of the hood for head clearance), the distance of the larger lamp is further away from the engine. Less reflection, softer light, and lots of spillover outside of the fender, beyond the confines of the engine compartment where I have my tools on a cart (or on the ground).

When I put the light on the fender, pointed toward the engine compartment, the ground beyond the fender is in shadow, and with the source of the light being so much closer to the engine, the intensity of reflection on brighter metals (intermediate steering shaft, master cylinder, AC compressor, what have you) causes my eyes to have to reconcile the high contrast between what is within the close and intense swath of light, and what is out of sight, in the darkness, including the other side of the engine, if I only have one light with me at the time.

I guess what I am saying is that I have not found the lamp arrangement in the Icon to be a detriment. I actually find it to be quite clever and well thought out. This is just one opinion, and it is shared on the smorgasbord of opinions and experiences with no more significance than everyone else's... where one might readily find others who "see" things in a "different light."
Man You're all over testing these lights! That's good, That'd good, That's great!
I don't have the energy to do all that testing :(
You should make a YouTube review of your findings!
 

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Just to be clear... I'm not testing them. I'm just using them.

Tonight I was wearing a big plaid Pendleton type of jacket, having two front pockets, one at each pec, with flap lids that snap.

High mount chest light:

I was picking persimmons to give to neighbors for Christmas, and I wasn't done yet, so I grabbed a couple of Icon lights, unfolded them full straight to 180°, so that they were long light sticks, big light facing forward, and stuck one in each shirt pocket, and snapped the pocket flaps shut, which trapped the light sticks in place.

Low mount chest light:

I have another shirt with larger chest pockets, and for that shirt I keep the Icon folded in half, stick the body half in the pocket, and hang the lamp half outside of the pocket. Since the longer, larger side is on the outside of the lamp half, it is the longer, larger light that is facing out and forward while the lamp is straddling the shirt pocket in the folded in half position.


This isn't testing. This is real life usage.
 

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How much are the brauns going to be after Christmas? Asking for my brother. I think I lost his Braun. It disappeared somehow. We need a work light pretty badly.
 
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They have been going on sale some what regularly $20 today.
You left it stuck to the bottom O a car! See if it's still stuck to the bottom O the last car you used it on!
If not! Use this -25% coupon to buy him a new one!!
Brings it down to $22.50!!
 

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