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The thought came to me that we all have extras of some tools. I was thinking that a swap might be a good way for each of us to get what we need or want. To make it fair, if you are swapping a used socket for a uses wrench, we could use the current price sheets to determine value. Say, if the socket has a retail value of $13.00 and the wrench has a retail value of $12.00, it would be a even swap plus $1.00. Each person would pay for their own shipping. This would also require that the tools be the same brand, unless the two people agree to swap two different brands. Since the values are fixed, both people will win and there should be no arguments of value. The only variable is that both people have to be honest in the description, but with the email system, you can send pictures. We could list the extra tools that we have for swap in a thread.
 
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Junkman said:
The thought came to me that we all have extras of some tools. I was thinking that a swap might be a good way for each of us to get what we need or want. To make it fair, if you are swapping a used socket for a uses wrench, we could use the current price sheets to determine value. Say, if the socket has a retail value of $13.00 and the wrench has a retail value of $12.00, it would be a even swap plus $1.00. Each person would pay for their own shipping. This would also require that the tools be the same brand, unless the two people agree to swap two different brands. Since the values are fixed, both people will win and there should be no arguments of value. The only variable is that both people have to be honest in the description, but with the email system, you can send pictures. We could list the extra tools that we have for swap in a thread.
Sounds good... I'm in. Maybe we could make a provision that if you see something that you're interested in, you could buy it outright from the member if you don't have anything to swap for it?
 
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Sounds good... I'm in. Maybe we could make a provision that if you see something that you're interested in, you could buy it outright from the member if you don't have anything to swap for it?

The buy it outright wouldn't be a problem for me, but it might cause hard feeling is someone is very proud of the tool and thinks that it is worth more than the guy interested in it. That is why I used list price to determine the value. As an example, if I have a Snap-On 1/2" ratchet that is used, and you have a Snap-On wrench, the values will be determined by the list prices of a similar item. Both tools would hold there value since they are still under the lifetime guarantee. If I have a Williams ratchet, it doesn't have much value since the company is gone and there are no service parts. If you had it, you might think more highly of it than I do, since it has served you well since Rex was a pup. We could try outright, but I would suggest that people put a price on the item so the people looking can either pass or negotiate. Just don't want to start something that can cause hard feelings. Junk...
 

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I like the idea. Junkman, you should start it in another thread.

Some rules I can think of:
- one single thread, no individual classified threads...too hard to keep track
- post description (as descriptive as possible so it's easy to search the thread) and condition with or w/o pictures
- money can change hands, but swapping is encouraged. lay your goods out for show and accept offer.
 
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Hey, Junkman...wanna swap my chipped wrench for your chipped wrench?

Seriously, a swap thread it sounds like a good idea.
 

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Heck yeah...

I don't have a LOT to trade, myself, but I find that I have a growing collection of SK, Indestro and Proto sockets (that may very well be worthless) that I don't have a ton of desire to keep, and just had this same idea yesterday.
 

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The administrators need to create a new forum under "Garage Sale" right under the Classifieds, something like "swap or trade - tools and shop equipment only"

Better than digging thru the classifieds.

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wilbilt said:
So who's gonna start it?

It was Junkman's idea, so he should be the one. :bounce:

Again, I think it should be one single thread. We can stickey it. If someone adds a post with some tools they want to trade, we all get a email stating the thread was updated (assuming you have that default option turned on). If someone trades something, they can update their post in the thread or remove the entry from their post.

If you want to browse, you browse one thread. If you want to search, you use the thread search tool to search within the one thread.

Seems like the best option to me...

Junkman, get to work! :)
 
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Yes, I was thinking it would need to be in the Classified section.

Ditto on Junkman taking the plunge...;)
 

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The only other thing I think we should possibly institute is a trading "rating". The other boards I frequent have these ratings for users, much like ebay.

Hey Ryan, can you do this?
 

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Ive got an assload of random snap on sockets. Everything from N.O.S. types to used 6pts. Ive also got some basically new ones. Im not looking to rip anybody off, Ill pick out a few that I know I want duplicates of, then post up the rest. Id trade them as a lot for a few sizes Im missing. Sounds Like a good idea, but the only thing Id be worried about is honesty.

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I know that I am honest. You can check my feedback on ebay.... Junkmann2.. My garage is a mess right now, since I am moving everything around. As soon as I can dig out my box of extra tools, I will start my list. I know that there is a bunch of Mac wrenches in the box, so I will list them first.
 

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Somehow, i don't think that honesty would be a huge issue - not on this forum. most of us have been around for a while and know each other fairly well.... I think most of us would be rather embarassed if there was any sort of dishonesty.
 

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I'm new here, so I can't say "Hey, you guys know me!", but, I would give a piece of advice:

Send all trades via USPS.

Not only is Priority Mail fast and cheap (starts at $4.05, and flat-rate-pack-them-as-full-and-heavy-as-you-can boxes run about $8.00), utilizing the USPS adds a bit of a security measure.

If someone decides to be dishonest, and involves the Post Office in their dishonesty, they just invited Postal Inspectors and other Feds into their home.

The Post Office doesn't play around with mail fraudsters.

As far as the threads go, too, something else to add to your post of what you have available for trade might be a want-list.

I know I have a list of stuff I'm looking for when I peruse the hawk-shop bins - if I know that someone is looking for something specific, that allows me to search the bins for that, to possibly use as trade material (provided that it's in good shape, of course)...
 

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kythri said:
I'm new here, so I can't say "Hey, you guys know me!", but, I would give a piece of advice:

Send all trades via USPS.

Not only is Priority Mail fast and cheap (starts at $4.05, and flat-rate-pack-them-as-full-and-heavy-as-you-can boxes run about $8.00), utilizing the USPS adds a bit of a security measure.

If someone decides to be dishonest, and involves the Post Office in their dishonesty, they just invited Postal Inspectors and other Feds into their home.

The Post Office doesn't play around with mail fraudsters.

As far as the threads go, too, something else to add to your post of what you have available for trade might be a want-list.

I know I have a list of stuff I'm looking for when I peruse the hawk-shop bins - if I know that someone is looking for something specific, that allows me to search the bins for that, to possibly use as trade material (provided that it's in good shape, of course)...

OK, that makes sense. So another thread with just wants?
 
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I know for a fact that bmwpower is dishonest....... he tried to steal a compressor on eBay yesterday with a low ball bid... :bounce: After he lost, he said "I won! Sort of":headscrat ... Got to love a guy that tries and fails, but gets up, dusts himself off, and tries again.. :thumbup:
 

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This sounds like a great Idea I agree though a member rating system is in order if this is going to be a site wide thing. I know 90% of the folks on here are honest but there is also the 10% who are not and will take advantage of us. I am always wary of dealing with newbies not to be mean or anything but I think we should have a 50 or 75 post minimum before you can take part in trades or use the for-sale section. I see alot of stuff in there posted by people with two or three post's I am sure not going to deal with them and it would keep the for-sale section less clutterd with useless post's and make it better because it would just have legit items in it from hopefully trusted members :beer:



when are we going to start the trading? I will have to go threw my tools and see what I have that is not being used or what I have doubles of.
 
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I think it could go fairly smoothly IF the following is done..

1) Add a sub-forum under garage sale called "want to trade"
2)Start your own thread and in each thread list a wanted and for trade subheading. Its hard to trade if you just want something and don't have anything to trade in return!
3)Keep it above boards.. try to keep all the back and forth in the forums so it doesn't become a he said/she said sorta deal
4) Take pictures of your items and post them! In this day and age almost anyone with a cell phone (read about everyone) has a camera phone at the very least.
5)review thread/forum.. there should either be a sticky "trader/seller review thread in each classifieds section" or just a simple seperate forum under garage sale called "trader/seller reviews" or "user reviews"... just leave a little feedback and you can always post a thread with your own info if your a ebay member/etc.. just say "My ebay feedback" or something. That way people can see whats up.

Thats my thoughts and feelings... I've got some stuff that I wouldn't mind trading vs. selling for sure. The type of stuff that I've got onesy/twosy of and its just not worth the ebay hassle vs. trading for a socket or wrench or something I do need :)

PS.. lets try to limit the "for trade" to tools only... otherwise it gets confusing.

EDIT.. on second thought.. lets open it up to any type of trading maybe? Might give some guys a chance to trade things like collectibles and stuff for tools or vice versa. I was just thinking I have some stuff that I might like to trade like that.
 
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Junkman said:
I know for a fact that bmwpower is dishonest....... he tried to steal a compressor on eBay yesterday with a low ball bid... :bounce: After he lost, he said "I won! Sort of":headscrat ... Got to love a guy that tries and fails, but gets up, dusts himself off, and tries again.. :thumbup:

Nothing wrong with trying to get a good deal, my friend! Besides, I can't help it if no one else bid it up...I was willing to go higher! :bounce:

Time to get off your **** and start the tool thread! :beer:
 
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I would have bid on it, but I make it a practice not to bid against a friend, unless it is something that I just can't live without. My garage is already full of "stuff" that I felt that I just couldn't live without, and now I am trying to divest myself of most of it. One of the many stages of life....
 

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Junkman said:
I would have bid on it, but I make it a practice not to bid against a friend, unless it is something that I just can't live without. My garage is already full of "stuff" that I felt that I just couldn't live without, and now I am trying to divest myself of most of it. One of the many stages of life....
You sound just like me ... Garage full of stuff that I just couldn't live without
:) :)
 

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This sounds like a pretty good idea, but I have a bad habit of not getting rid of anything. Never know when I'll have a project and need 4 or 5 of the same wrench.:headscrat
What if we list the items we want to sell at what we feel is a fair price. Then somebody can offer to trade something of equal value or just buy it outright. Guess what I'm concerned about is missing out on getting rid of something if nobody has something I want in trade or I can't get something listed I would like because I have nothing to trade.
Thoughts?
 

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This sounds like a great Idea I agree though a member rating system is in order if this is going to be a site wide thing. I know 90% of the folks on here are honest but there is also the 10% who are not and will take advantage of us. I am always wary of dealing with newbies not to be mean or anything but I think we should have a 50 or 75 post minimum before you can take part in trades or use the for-sale section. I see alot of stuff in there posted by people with two or three post's I am sure not going to deal with them and it would keep the for-sale section less clutterd with useless post's and make it better because it would just have legit items in it from hopefully trusted members :beer:

Obviously, as a newb, I'm biased, but I really don't see what prolific posting has to do with being a gauge of a person's honesty.

If you're not comfortable doing a trade, then don't do the trade.

If you're concerned you may not get your stuff, then require that the trade partner send their package, and you receive it, as advertised, before you send yours.

I'm not saying there aren't dishonest people out there, but it's been my experience on a number of boards with buy/sell/trade forums that there's a lot of people who have gear they want to get rid of, but have little to no desire to interact with the board membership outside of getting rid of their stuff.

It's also been my experience that those who are truly out there to fleece a group of people are going to spend the time ingratiating themselves to a community - for example, spending a couple of weeks, posting a lot, making a name for themselves.

Obviously, you don't have to buy anything from anyone, and if not buying from a seller who doesn't post is a prevalent attitude, then it's obviously going to be detrimental to the uninvolved seller.

I mean, don't take this the wrong way, but I don't know you. Tell me why *I* should trust you? You've been a member since August 2005, which is great, but based on your suggestion of post count as a measure of trustworthiness, a new member posting 10 times a day for a month would have nearly the same post count you have. An argument could be made that you rarely post, so you shouldn't be trusted.

In the end, of course, people are going to do as they see fit - my vote, however, is that the powers that be don't impose any kind of arbitrary measure of trust on the system, and instead, let the two parties involved in the trade decide whether or not they want to trade.

Certainly, I don't want you (or anyone else for that matter) telling me who I can and can't trade with.
 

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Itzkwik said:
This sounds like a pretty good idea, but I have a bad habit of not getting rid of anything. Never know when I'll have a project and need 4 or 5 of the same wrench.:headscrat
What if we list the items we want to sell at what we feel is a fair price. Then somebody can offer to trade something of equal value or just buy it outright. Guess what I'm concerned about is missing out on getting rid of something if nobody has something I want in trade or I can't get something listed I would like because I have nothing to trade.
Thoughts?

There's a forum for sales here already, so if you want to assign a price, it'd seem that's the place to do it.

I think the general idea of the swap thread was for those that don't really have any desire in selling stuff and buying other stuff - that's what eBay is for.

If someone has something you want, but you don't have any trade goods, offer to buy it - the worst they can do is say no.

I sure I'm probably like a lot of people out there that has things they don't necessarily need/want any longer, but don't want to hassle with eBaying or selling the stuff, and like the idea of bartering.
 

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kythri,

I simply meen that it would discurage people coming on here just to do trades or sell a item then never return or make any usefull contributation to the community. I agree though a post count is not a good way to tell the honesty of somewon and there are folks who would spend a few weeks to get past the post count to sell stuff or rip somewon off ect. I don't need to tell you if I am honest or not I will let you make you're own choice on that I have made a few transactions with people on this board and not had any trouble and we have been happy with the deals I am not out to rip somewon off the info on this board is far more valuable then scamming somewon out of a 15$ wrench or a 100$ tool box ect I didnt meen to offend somewon just trying to help us out bye weeding out the folk who just want to use the board for there personal advantage and not contribute anything
 

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SO in addition to post count, what about time on the board? For example, We can do something like... must be an ACTIVE member for 6 months(or any other set time) and have X amount of posts. Instead of somebody who has been on the board for a week and has 3 posts.

Jim
 

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kartracer55 said:
SO in addition to post count, what about time on the board? For example, We can do something like... must be an ACTIVE member for 6 months(or any other set time) and have X amount of posts. Instead of somebody who has been on the board for a week and has 3 posts.

Jim

Once again, I'll preface by saying I'm biased, but time and activity don't have any correlation to honesty and trustworthines.

Everybody is an adult here, or should be. Why not just leave it up to the members who they want to trade with, and who they don't?

Perhaps sticky a post in the top of the trade forum stating something to the effect of

"A trade is not assured. Trades are done at members discretion, and no member is forced to trade with another member. New and rarely active users should note that some members will not want to trade with you based on your time/activity on the board. As with any online sale/trade, use your best judgement. If you don't feel a trade is legit, DON'T DO IT."

Would you stick around eBay if you couldn't buy/sell anything for 6 months, but you had to be an active member of the eBay forums?
 

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kythri,

I simply meen that it would discurage people coming on here just to do trades or sell a item then never return or make any usefull contributation to the community.

I suppose that comes down to a board-management issue - do the owners/admins/moderators of the board consider this a problem?

Barring the introduction of a scammer, if someone joins the board simply to sell/trade and item and never return, and an active member trades with him, both people win. It's a benefit to the active member.

I can tell you from previous experience on boards with buy/sell/trade forums, those same forums accounted for a lot of users who joined, and then went on to become active users in other parts of the forum.

I don't need to tell you if I am honest or not I will let you make you're own choice on that I have made a few transactions with people on this board and not had any trouble and we have been happy with the deals I am not out to rip somewon off the info on this board is far more valuable then scamming somewon out of a 15$ wrench or a 100$ tool box ect I didnt meen to offend somewon just trying to help us out bye weeding out the folk who just want to use the board for there personal advantage and not contribute anything

And as I stated in my post, I didn't mean to insinuate that you are anything but honest - simply, I was trying to make a point that the Internet is, by design, cloaked in anonymity. I don't know you, or anyone else on this board.

Regardless of how long I stay on this board, and how long I post, words on a screen are NOT a judge of anyone's character. Just because I play a tool-owning male on this forum doesn't mean I'm not a tree-hugging hippy female in real life.

There's never any way to tell if a person is honest, except your gut, and your experiences.

Now, it's my belief, perhaps naive, that most people are inherently honest, and not trying to screw people over. It's that belief that allows me to partake in commerce across the Internet in all it's various forms. So far, I've been lucky in that I haven't been burned badly. So far, it appears that my belief is founded in reality. :)
 
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kartracer55 said:
SO in addition to post count, what about time on the board? For example, We can do something like... must be an ACTIVE member for 6 months(or any other set time) and have X amount of posts. Instead of somebody who has been on the board for a week and has 3 posts.

Jim

OK....... I guess that even though it was my idea, I am disqualified for about 5 more months.... by then, I will be busy with other things like grass cutting, so I will not be here to post much. That will take me out until about Halloween, when the lawn and garden season ends with leaf clean up.. :headscrat
 

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OK....... I guess that even though it was my idea, I am disqualified for about 5 more months.... by then, I will be busy with other things like grass cutting, so I will not be here to post much. That will take me out until about Halloween, when the lawn and garden season ends with leaf clean up.. :headscrat

Just throwing it out as an example. I used 6 months just as a random number. Ultimatly, it would be the members decision on who to conduct buisness with.

Jim
 

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I'm new. I'm honest. I'm interested participating. But the question is, can I participate? :confused:
 
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I'm new. I'm honest. I'm interested participating. But the question is, can I participate? :confused:

Yes..... as far as I am concerned.... I would trade with you, but there are some that I know that I don't care to be involved with under any circumstances.
Personally, I consider the way that people post on a site as a reflection of their character. If they are the type to post flames, then I personally wouldn't care to do any trades with them. Respect for your fellow man weighs highly where I come from. If a person has no respect for another on the forum, then I will just avoid them like the plague. Feel free to disagree with me, but just don't flame me because you don't like what I have to say. EOS
 

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JUST MY OPINION, but I've always hated "probation" periods, but post counts would be good to limit problems.
 
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The way I see it, you pays your money (or you sends your tool) and you takes your chance. The decision to trade or otherwise exchange anything of value would rest with the members doing the exchanging.

If you choose to exchange with someone that joined yesterday, and has the handle of "1l33t5c^mm3R", and you get burned, it's pretty much your own doing.

I have been trading on the net for over ten years through various venues, and am the trusting type. I have been burned exactly once, to the tune of about $5.00. I'll send your item before your payment (or trade) is in the mail, because I want you to receive it ASAP, and that's how I do business.

It has worked for me, with one exception, and I expect that the results dealing with members of this forum would be 100% perfect on all accounts.

I think the "probationary" restriction is largely unnecessary here, although forum administration might decide otherwise. To his credit, Junkman's idea is a good one, and such a thread/forum would be largely self-policing.

Members would post about their good trades, and warn about the bad ones (if any). I haven't been here that long myself, and while I am sometimes a raving lunatic, I treat all business transactions with the utmost care and respect, as I'm sure all of you do.
 

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Man, I wished I had some good stuff to trade. This seems like a good way for someone to complete an incomplete set of tools they may have.

As for myself, I've only recently joined, but I'm finding myself spending more time here than any other board I visit.

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