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German made solid stainless steel (no plating) 1/4" drive socket set can be had from Maryland Metrics for their sale price of $477.11 - List price is $596.38 :D
 
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Merk, I think its time for you to purchase a Hazet tool, something useful, like a small ratchet/socket combo tool set and give us a full review of them! :)
 
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A couple weeks ago I opined that Stainless Steel was the future of high end hand tools.

Not one single person agreed with me!

But I think they will become more common and accepted (and prices will drop) as really good stainless steels are hitting the market these days.

Personally I can't wait to own SS sockets and wrenches.
 
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Stainless tools are generally only recommended for stainless fasteners, at least thats what I've heard from a few places. Everyone goes "ooh and aah" about the word stainless, but it wears fast. Its a strange steel recipe, generates a lot of heat when trying to drill or cut it, but its really a "soft metal" that gets distorted easily.
 
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I'm pretty skeptical about any ratchet with a plastic select lever. I doubt I'm the only one?
 
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Monte said:
maybe it pays off to buy from here ??
http://www.tbs-aachen.de/product_info.php?info=p6274_HAzet-854X-STECKSCHLUeSSEL-SATZ.html
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Bingo. I stumbled onto that place last night while looking at the Hazet web site. If the shipping isn't obscene, and if they do it, it's certainly worth looking at. Especially if they drop the VAT for overseas orders.

Aside: I ordered some woodworking tools from Germany a few years back, even with shipping the total cost turned out to be a bit more than half of what US and Canadian retailers wanted.
 
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Stainless steel tools? For everyday marine use they are indespensible. And how about you making an ocean sailboat journey from California to Hawaii? Tanspac race.

The sailboat internal works (engine, mast, rigging, sails etc) fail in the central Pacific and you're stuck. Rusted ole junk tools just ain't going to cut it in a life or death situation in the middle of the ocean. Please don't argue with me, I've been there.
 
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Merk - get out into the deep ocean for a while on an ocean going vessel and you'll see why stainless tools are important.
 
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I am cheap. I spend more money on tools than food and I would pass on the Hazet set. I know the quality and craftsmanship is impeccable and that the set is probably over engineered to withstand anything that comes it's way. However, $400-$500 for a 24 piece 1/4 drive set is pretty steep even by tool truck standards. I think I'm finally figuring out why those Hazet Assistant Tool Trolleys are kind of small. It's not that the techs only needed a few tools to work on VWs, it was that they could only afford a few Hazet tools. :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:
 
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The Assistant is a cute tool cart that is one of a kind but no it is not very big and won't hold much. It was made in a age when you didn't need a lot of tools and special tools were a shop item. I mean if you were working on VW's you didn't need much and it would hold anything you needed no problem.
 
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If I were a rich man, the entire Hazet catalog would be nicely arranged in a Snap-on, Mr.Big tool box, along with some SO,Cornwell,Matco favorites. Wish there was a Hazet dealer/truck in the area. They might have to put the tools in a Brinks armored truck though. Or they could go incognito, in a MAC truck, who would loot a MAC truck, there is nothing of value on a MAC truck!:lol_hitti
 
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FNFS2000 said:
Stainless tools are generally only recommended for stainless fasteners, at least thats what I've heard from a few places. Everyone goes "ooh and aah" about the word stainless, but it wears fast. Its a strange steel recipe, generates a lot of heat when trying to drill or cut it, but its really a "soft metal" that gets distorted easily.
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Hmmm, well: first of all, there's no one stainless, so it's hard to generalize. There are scores of different stainless formulas. The older formulas were often treated so they stayed soft. That started changing in the 1980s and 1990s. You can now find stainless that is hardened to Rc 65 range and above (!!!). And, given the formula, some stainless wears incredibly well. For example, the Spyderco with ZDP-189 stainless in my pocket. I find it needs sharpening only rarely. But that is a darned expensive stainless steel.

But I do agree with you that cheap stainless steel is nothing to write home about.
 
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The Assistant is a cute tool cart that is one of a kind but no it is not very big and won't hold much. It was made in a age when you didn't need a lot of tools and special tools were a shop item. I mean if you were working on VW's you didn't need much and it would hold anything you needed no problem.
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No it doesn't works!!! Lost a lot of $$$ because I had to use only these "fews"!

Anyway, Hazet made really good stuff and isn't expenisive when you know where to buy (except the catalouge prices....huu!).

How is the customs fee situation in USA? Maybe we could arrange a "private" trade??? I guess Monte (and me) would apreciate when we could get some cheap us tools and you some german stuff...?!
 
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This thread is old but I thought I should respond to the hyperbolic post quoted below.

cruiser808 said:
Stainless steel tools? For everyday marine use they are indespensible. And how about you making an ocean sailboat journey from California to Hawaii? Tanspac race.

The sailboat internal works (engine, mast, rigging, sails etc) fail in the central Pacific and you're stuck. Rusted ole junk tools just ain't going to cut it in a life or death situation in the middle of the ocean. Please don't argue with me, I've been there.
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Well, I've "been there" too: a couple of transatlantics, one transpac, multiple trips to Bermuda, Greenland, etc. Some passages have been uneventful, but most have involved serious mechanical breakages of one sort or another (the old saying is accurate: "cruising is just fixing your boat in exotic locales"). And in another life I was a diesel mechanic in the navy for a few years, too. So I believe I am entitled to voice a (contrary) opinion.

Stainless steel tools would be nice, but are certainly not "indispensable". We have managed without on all the various boats I've sailed (although one did have a nifty titanium hammer, no one knew why or where it had come from!). Light surface corrosion has sometimes occurred, but has never adversely effected tools' usability.

Evans Starzinger, who has vast sailing experience, once wrote: "I have tried several of the 'stainless/marine quality' tools but did not find the worth the price premium. I just get the 'best quality' normal tools and clean them after every use with a quick WD40 spray and rub down". You can access the full article here: Compact Tool Kit", 2005 Practical Sailor.
 
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Its probably worth pointing out 99% of the drama is due to the price, but the price in the USA is sort of a joke. The Inox sets in the Eu are 10-15% more expensive than the standard sets (street price) and $20-30 euros is in the context of a racing yahct is nothing.

Not that its indispensible or not, but its pretty easy to see how one could be persuaded to avoid whatever hassles would await. The real issue the last time this came up was tha the INOX sets are really quite limited to small sizes; on the larger sizes whatever the pro-and cons of INOX are they don't really make them so there is no so much to debate...

:)
 
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I've been using a few stainless tools of late, mainly Wera stainless screwdrivers, and have to say that I love 'em! I know stainless isn't always as durable as a tool steel, but these drivers seem to be, and not having plating to crack off is great when you are working with crappy woodscrews!

Now, I don't own any of the Hazet stainless tools, yet, but I think that's going to change! Top of my list are the stainless hex bits - can't think of anything better for setting up machines with crappy cap screws and coolant splashing around!

I'm afraid though, that the prices shown are way over the top! The U.K. isn't always the cheapest place to buy stuff, but I can get that set for the equivalent of $230 if you exclude the tax! I'm with Monte on this, buy from TBS Aachen - even with shipping it'll be cheaper! Suspect there are other sources too!
 
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Can't speak for the stainless stuff, but my grandfather had a few basic metric Hazet wrenches he picked up at a flea market when he got his first vehicle with metric fasteners. I would have never thought they cost more than a few dollars each new. I think he paid $2 each for 3 or 4. After seeing this thread I went and pulled them out of the junk tool box.

If I had the need for stainless I would consider, but no way I would even look at this over the domestic brands. I looked online and saw a set of ratcheting wrenches that cost $800 . . . WTF and not even stainless. Very cheap looking in the pic.
 
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ah. a breath of fresh air from the past. look through this thread at the people who are banned or just drifted away. some of the classics in here.

merk is at bitog they say.

escheondorf just disappeared.

bolster must be busy with gophers.

it would be great to get some of those guys around again for a a day or so.
 
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sk farmer said:
ah. a breath of fresh air from the past. look through this thread at the people who are banned or just drifted away. some of the classics in here.

merk is at bitog they say.

escheondorf just disappeared.

bolster must be busy with gophers.

it would be great to get some of those guys around again for a a day or so.
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I actually spoke to Bolster through email the other day... Merk was the best!!!!! RLL
 
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I'm dubious about stainless tools. For them to be more corrosion resistant than a chrome plated carbon steel tool, the chromium content has to be really high, and that generally means a softer tool that's also really subject to galling.

To make a "stainless" tool hard and tough, then the chromium content has to be much lower, and you will find that they do indeed rust...and will rust MUCH quicker than chrome plating on carbon steel.

Personally, I'll pass on stainless tools.
 
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Stainless is great for working on stainless fasteners...popular for marine applications. Better not drop a stainless socket into a deep area of the engine compartment and expect to fetch it with a magnetic retriever. I've had this happen to me many times with stainless fasteners and hose clamps. SD
 
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