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Guys,

I'm debating which one to go for. The price difference is symbolic between the two as both are mega money. However from practical view, which one is a better value box? 166C seems much larger and heavier and this is my main concern: I still want to be able to lift the box. That's one of the reasons I've got 160ST as it only weighs 17kg. 166C is mighty 28kg! 166N is not far @ 25. Anybody has or checked the two to give the real life comparison? Given the choice, which one of the two you'd go for?

Bart, Ricleh?

Thanks.
 
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Nothing to add, but how do you find the 160ST? I lust after the Mini-Assi, any pictures of it with tools?
 

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I prefer the looks and all metal construction of my N. The C is bigger and the size also accomodates the foam tray sets Hazet sells. The C uses some plastic.

Mine is accessorized with a lamp and vise now. I assume you can do the same with the C.

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Not a substitute for a full sized box, but a cool little unit.

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The 166N and the 166C are both heavy, but the 166N is quite a bit smaller and lighter than the 166C. I couldn't possibly lift either of my carts with the tools inside. If you don't have a lot of heavy tools inside then the 166N could be carried. The 166C is much sturdier and is smoother rolling with better casters. It also has quite a bit more capacity than the 166N. Both are good carts, so the choice comes down to what you want to do with them. I got a good deal on both of mine but the 166N was about $100 cheaper than the 166C.
 

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All of what is said is true so far. The other advantage of the 166C over the N is that the two trays or layers of the cart are the exact size of the drawer of one of the larger Assistent tool carts (177 etc.)

I sell all of them also to the UK. Send me a PM if interested. Also currently there is a hot deal on two of the 179-7 and 177-6 each I have in stock. That is the rest of a summer promo.
 
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Nothing to add, but how do you find the 160ST? I lust after the Mini-Assi, any pictures of it with tools?

It's a great box, very portable, sturdy and made of thick sheet of steel. The castors are really well made and are the same as on 166N, the bigger cart. They put double front wheels on these now that won't roll and swivel when locked. Another good feature found on 160ST only are uprights that fold down in the slots, forming a handle that stays in place. Whereas it seems on bigger Assistents they are folding to move out of the way than to serve as handles. The trays are deep enough to stand regular 1/2" sockets (I haven't any bigger than 27mm socket which is 46mm high and there's still some room). The top cover has elevated floor allowing for some larger items to be stored on the second tray. I used to keep screwdrivers there and although some didn't fit flush in the compartment, the space above compensated for the larger handles or blades sticking out the top. The bottom tray is fairly deep. Not deep enough for spray cans but good for things like hammers, pry bars, breaker bars - heavy and bulky items that you don't want to lift every time you open the cart. Moving on to the finish, the powder coating is very good although I still managed to put a few marks here and there. All in all, I have no single reason to fault the box other than its price. You can probably get a bigger Assistent 166N like in Bart's pictures, which is only marginally more expensive than 160ST. For me personally it was a question of weight so I went with the lightest of them all. Back then I didn't have many tools so it worked. Now I'm after a bigger cart as an addition to my smaller Assi, which I'm keeping. I don't have pictures of the cart other than this little "in action" shot.

Any questions, just let me know.

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I prefer the looks and all metal construction of my N. The C is bigger and the size also accomodates the foam tray sets Hazet sells. The C uses some plastic.

Mine is accessorized with a lamp and vise now. I assume you can do the same with the C.

Not a substitute for a full sized box, but a cool little unit.

Thanks Bart. I really like your box and what you've done with it :thumbup: I'm keeping copies of your pics on my computer so I could check them anytime. I'm paranoid just like that man. LOL!

I'm currently squaring away my garage and like the idea of having a couple of Assistents with most tools rolling around and a full sized box with all the car-unrelated, home improvement stuff. I enjoy working on the car with my Assi standing next to me, something I miss at the moment as I have to get up and "walk" to the rollcab. It takes the edge off for me, I don't know. :lol:

Alx, where do you source your Hazet tools from in the UK?

Hey Will, I get everything from Germany. I came across them on German eBay and since then buy direct. The place was recommended here before - TBS in Aachen, nice little town West of Germany. Their service is truly outstanding. :thumbup:

The 166N and the 166C are both heavy, but the 166N is quite a bit smaller and lighter than the 166C. I couldn't possibly lift either of my carts with the tools inside. If you don't have a lot of heavy tools inside then the 166N could be carried. The 166C is much sturdier and is smoother rolling with better casters. It also has quite a bit more capacity than the 166N. Both are good carts, so the choice comes down to what you want to do with them. I got a good deal on both of mine but the 166N was about $100 cheaper than the 166C.

Ric, thanks for your reply. I knew I could count on you bud :thumbup:
I know what you mean by heavy as I had 25kg worth of tools in my 160 and I could barely walk the distance with it in my hand. Won't be possible with 166's as I'm nowhere near as strong so it's great they have wheels. I'm leaning towards the "C" at the moment. Just need to check one tiny detail with you: are the trays deep enough to put black Hazet plastic trays one on top of another and still close the cart? Thanks! ;)

All of what is said is true so far. The other advantage of the 166C over the N is that the two trays or layers of the cart are the exact size of the drawer of one of the larger Assistent tool carts (177 etc.)

I sell all of them also to the UK. Send me a PM if interested. Also currently there is a hot deal on two of the 179-7 and 177-6 each I have in stock. That is the rest of a summer promo.

jensputzier, thanks a lot for your input. Exactly my thoughts on the trays as I want to still be able to use black Hazet plastic inserts. 179 and 177 are both great boxes but I'm looking for a mobile solution otherwise I would give them some thought! :thumbup:
 
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Thanks Bart. I really like your box and what you've done with it :thumbup: I'm keeping copies of your pics on my computer so I could check them anytime. I'm paranoid just like that man. LOL!

I'm currently squaring away my garage and like the idea of having a couple of Assistents with most tools rolling around and a full sized box with all the car-unrelated, home improvement stuff. I enjoy working on the car with my Assi standing next to me, something I miss at the moment as I have to get up and "walk" to the rollcab. It takes the edge off for me, I don't know. :lol:


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I can take more pics if you like. Will see if I have any handy. I bought a small roll cab yesterday to supplement my Assistents. I had a similar thought pattern to you, but I have the 190L as my small hand box, the 166N pictured, a roll cab and the rest goes on shelves or in cabinets.

Since you have all those Hazet faom/plastic tray sets, You may be happier with the 166C, since you can use them in it more easily.
 

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Alx thanks so much for the ST review and details, just what I wanted! Seems like a good option to keep me organized while I'm in the middle of a job in the garage. I often have to stop/start as I have little kids so garage time is rarely uninterrupted. I hate leaving tools and parts on the floor or in the car. Another option could be this, also made in Germany:

http://www.eastwood.com/collapsible-rolling-tool-box.html

Also, I wouldn't hesitate to buy from Jens, he's great and has gone above and beyond normal customer service for me, a true gentleman.
 
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I can take more pics if you like. Will see if I have any handy. I bought a small roll cab yesterday to supplement my Assistents. I had a similar thought pattern to you, but I have the 190L as my small hand box, the 166N pictured, a roll cab and the rest goes on shelves or in cabinets.

Since you have all those Hazet faom/plastic tray sets, You may be happier with the 166C, since you can use them in it more easily.

Thanks, I would love to see your tool organisation in 166N. Only if and when you have time of course :thumbup:

I think you have one great combo there with cantilever and a cart. One easy enough to carry, another to keep in the garage and roll around the car.

I feel like pulling the trigger on the C as it would work with my trays, however bulkiness and weight of the box put me off a little. Especially as I'm going to overload it with tools. Decisions, decisions... :D
 
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Alx thanks so much for the ST review and details, just what I wanted! Seems like a good option to keep me organized while I'm in the middle of a job in the garage. I often have to stop/start as I have little kids so garage time is rarely uninterrupted. I hate leaving tools and parts on the floor or in the car. Another option could be this, also made in Germany:

http://www.eastwood.com/collapsible-rolling-tool-box.html

Also, I wouldn't hesitate to buy from Jens, he's great and has gone above and beyond normal customer service for me, a true gentleman.

Crikey, that's a great value box. Mind Hazet would easily cost three times that. :scared:
 

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Ric, thanks for your reply. I knew I could count on you bud :thumbup:
I know what you mean by heavy as I had 25kg worth of tools in my 160 and I could barely walk the distance with it in my hand. Won't be possible with 166's as I'm nowhere near as strong so it's great they have wheels. I'm leaning towards the "C" at the moment. Just need to check one tiny detail with you: are the trays deep enough to put black Hazet plastic trays one on top of another and still close the cart? Thanks! ;)
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It depends on the tray. I have several that fit the way you described, but I have a couple with combination wrenches that are much deeper plastic trays that you cannot stack that way and still close the Assistent. For most of the Hazet plastic trays I think you would be ok.
 

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Thanks, I would love to see your tool organisation in 166N. Only if and when you have time of course :thumbup:

I think you have one great combo there with cantilever and a cart. One easy enough to carry, another to keep in the garage and roll around the car.

I feel like pulling the trigger on the C as it would work with my trays, however bulkiness and weight of the box put me off a little. Especially as I'm going to overload it with tools. Decisions, decisions... :D

It changes all the time, but here are some samples.

1/4, 3/8 and 1/2 socket sets and screwdrivers:

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Wrenches and pliers:

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Extras and big stuff in the bottom:

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Crikey, that's a great value box. Mind Hazet would easily cost three times that. :scared:

The 190L is not too bad.

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Ricleh, Bart - many thanks for your informed advice and great pictures! :bowdown:

Before ordering a new cart, I thought I'd try and fit as much as I could back in my Mini Assisent. This would give an idea how big my next Assistent should be - the weight of the boxes alone is a big compromise for me. :eek: Here it is, an overloaded but still very mobile Mini Assi 160ST:

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I used magnetic socket holders like the one below to organise all my sockets. They sit firm in place even when the cart is moving. It's also easy enough to take the whole holder out if need be.

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This highly unscientific test proved that Mini Assistent is still capable of storing about 3/4 of the tools I had in my rollcab. Hey, I can probably stuff some more in the bottom tray! :D The rest 1/4 is either rarely used, a duplication or power tools that are way too big for any Assistent cart, including 166C so they stay in the rollcab together with home improvement stuff that moved there from other places (metal cabinets mostly).

I really wanted to "go mobile" and get rid of a big chunky rollcab sitting in the corner eating out the garage space but I guess I underestimated how much space my tools use. LOL! Plastic Hazet tray are hardly a space saving solution either. A few still used in the rollcab, the rest went on the shelf till better times.

Keeping most of the tools in the cart negates the need for a bigger Assistent since it would just be too darn heavy and bulky to start with and won't offer any advantage over the current cart. If anything, I'd be more inclined to get another 160ST and use one solely for socketry and another for various screwdrivers, hammers, pliers - that sort of thing.

Unfortunately, no combination of carts can eliminate the need for a rollcab. On the other hand having a rollcab with all chargers, batteries, bare units, some spare tools, nuts, bolts and other gear - all in one place - may not be such a bad idea!

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Thanks Alx! Those are great shots, stores more than I thought. Great collection of tools too!

Really convinces me to hold out for the Mini-Assi. It's exactly what I need when working beside or under the car, shelf heights to suit both, and no need to clean up tools into the big box, so I can jump back in where I left off.
 
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youre right about the 166c being heavy. I've got just a basic set in mine and its a bit of a struggle to lift it into the bed of my truck. it is a fine cart though. Here's a pic of mine the day I got it from Jens. theres not a lot more in it now than it had then.
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That looks great, Alx! I agree that while the foam/plastic trays are nice, they are not the most space efficient solution. You've got guite an impressive selection of tools in that little cart, makes mt think about working on mine some more.
 
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That looks great, Alx! I agree that while the foam/plastic trays are nice, they are not the most space efficient solution. You've got guite an impressive selection of tools in that little cart, makes mt think about working on mine some more.

Thank you, kind sir ;) Mind you there's more tools buried there than meets the eye. :)


For those of you who still follow my storage saga, in the end I did manage to reduce my footprint to Hazet cart and a tool chest, that now sits tightly under my work bench (pic below). Bahco rollcab is finally going and when I need more storage, Hazet trolley will be my first choice. :thumbup:
 
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Here's some eye candy from the colour centre spread of my 1985 Hazet catalog: I hope this works I kept them at 300 dpi.

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In addition to an amazing set of tools and cool cart, Alx has some photography skills.

Hahaha, it's not me it's the camera! :thumbup:

Here's some eye candy from the colour centre spread of my 1985 Hazet catalog: I hope this works I kept them at 300 dpi.

Great pictures, thanks for posting them. Strangely Hazet no longer prints carts' dimensions in new catalogues. Must be useful to some!
 
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Now this image below got me thinking. Anybody knows if these long tray dividers come with the cart or are they still available to buy separately?

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Now this image below got me thinking. Anybody knows if these long tray dividers come with the cart or are they still available to buy separately?
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I think that was only on the old carts. Also note they had a big vertical runner in the bottom part - glad mine doesn't! We could pronanly make some long dividers, though.
 
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I think that was only on the old carts. Also note they had a big vertical runner in the bottom part - glad mine doesn't! We could pronanly make some long dividers, though.

Yea. No runner and no long dividers anymore. Do you know if they still make the original lamp?
 
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I knew I'd come to this... resistance is futile... I've ordered the 166C and some dumbbells too.
 
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Dumbells? Maybe I need another accessory for mine...

I think they should include dumbbells with every sale of 166 series they make! Those of us physically unfit would benefit from bulking up before taking on lifting their tool carts in and out the car! LOL.

I know it's not even dispatched yet but I can't wait to get my hands on it. Pictures to follow!
 
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Thanks guys. Got it today. I have only one word to describe it -

GINORMOUS

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Moving tools now, pics later.
 
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Thanks for your interest guys and sorry for the delay. LOL! Here's my review of 166C after two days of ownership. I realise that it might be too soon to give a verdict on the cart before actually putting it through its paces but I figured what the heck - I'd share my first thoughts anyway!

I was in two minds about the 166C until the very last moment and even then I wasn't sure if I made the right choice. That's until I received the trolley yesterday. At first… I was shocked! The trolley was a lot bigger than I anticipated. In all honesty, I'm still getting used to its size. I think the biggest factor for me is the height of the box – even in its collapsed form it is pretty tall.

On to the box:

The top is plywood - bolted to the cover. Apart from being a regular catchall, it can be used as a mini desk for taking notes, drawing diagrams, etc. Standard size laptop sits comfortably on it too - great for checking the EPC or researching something while working on a car or in the garage.

Unlike 166N, the two intermediary shelves in 'C' are made of hard plastic. Personally I'd like an all-metal construction but that would make 28kg trolley even heavier, so I accept the solution. The plastic shelves are lightweight, forgiving to tools and virtually indestructible. They are soundproof too. My 160ST, full with tools, could wake up the neighbourhood when rolled from the garage and back. Not the 'C' though. It just glides as if it has suspension – it doesn't of course but the feel is similar. As Ricleh said above – 166N is a very smooth rolling cart.

Pillars on 'C' are more sophisticated than on 160ST. To collapse the cart one has to undo two black knobs – which in fact are two long threaded screws – half way and fold down both pillars by turning them in. I wish it was illustrated or mentioned somewhere because it took me a while to figure out how to drop them down!

The shelves go up and down in particular order as well. To lift - one has to grab top two shelves together and pull them up until the lower one clicks in recess in the pillars. Then the top goes up until it clicks in too. Lowering is done in reverse order. Even with fully loaded shelves, the operation is silky smooth. I suppose with sliding the shelves up and down the pillars on regular basis, the plastic sleeves will eventually wear out. AFAIK Hazet offers replacement parts for their boxes – let's hope they are available in a few years time.

The capacity of 'C' is where it truly shines. According to Hazet, 166C offers 50% more space than 166N - the cart it was designed to replace. They still make all 3 of them which is great, because I can't see how they can possibly compete with each other. 160ST being the smallest of all, weighs far less than the other two, meaning it can be carried, loaded on the car or just rolled around by one man with no hassle at all. Size wise, 160ST is more like a 7-tray cantilever box with wheels. Its full metal construction makes it sturdy enough when opened and it's very capable too as shown in my earlier posts. There's no comparison between 160ST and 166C thought - NONE. I was able to fit the entire content of 160ST in the two top shelves of 166C. Thanks to the deeper shelves, everything in 'C' is more accessible too. The bottom tray of 'C' is in the league of its own. It's deep enough for oilers, cans and just bulky and heavy items – perhaps some cordless power tools like a combi drill or even an impact wrench. The divider may look out of place but its other purpose is to strengthen the floor for the front swiveling castors.

After loading the cart with tools, it was time to test my weight lifting skills. As I thought, the pillars move about when folded, however they are still the best place to grab when lifting the cumbersome cart. With double its original weight, getting it in one’s car boot or truck bed is a two-men job at best. The plan is to roll the cart between my house and the garage. The house has a step so I might as well get some wooden plank or two to help roll it in and save my back.

Am I happy with it? You bet. The marginal price difference between equally expensive 'C' and 'N' carts could mean that one is a bargain (or another one is overpriced) but like I said before - I don't think they quite compete with each other. 'C' offers better bang for your buck yet 'N' is a balanced all-rounder with classic status. N's metal construction is another advantage and it has been in the market for much longer. How 'C' is going to fare in the long run remains to be seen. For the money one can’t go wrong with either. Me? I k'N'ow what I'm getting next when I need more storage ;-)

Some pics. Sorry Bart, I didn't take the comparison photos – the small cart was in the garage at the time of the photoshoot. Will try to take some in a few days. :thumbup:

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Looks great Alx! Very glad you are happy with it. I like the classic looks and all metal construction of my N, but the extra storage would be nice. I have a line on another N at a pretty low price, so I am having to fight that urge. You did figure out that you can screw the black knobs back in after you fold the arms, I guess? On the N you can, I assume its the same.

Now, see what kind of clever ideas you can get for mounting something atop the posts, like my light and vise!

Again, congrats on a cool cart.
 

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That is one sweet setup. Congrats. And you should definitely put together two triangles or something for the step. Will save you both a possible strain and irritation.
Btw. did I mention what a sweet setup that is? In case I forgot, that is a sweet setup.
 
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