Heaaaaaaavy Chandelier

[landyacht]

I have a home owner who is providing a chandelier on a new build. Apparently, it is Ces rated, however it is supposed to mount using a hook through a bolt on the ceiling with a wire going into the splice box beside it (sounds a little 1970s to me). The manufacturer (designer?) claims that we should easily be able to use a canopy with a system where the wire goes through with the chain into the jb to eliminate the separate splice box. Now here's where it gets a little funky, the fixture weighs in at 250lb. The manufacturer says that we (as in not them) should be able to make something off the parts shelf work, but I'm pretty sure it isn't going to hold that weight.

Any suggestions?

I did try laughing at the designer of the fixture, but that didn't help.

I do remember doing a fixture previously where the threaded rod attached to the hanger went right through the jb and into the attic where it was bolted through a u-bilt beam made from 2x6s bridged across 4 trusses and it was sturdy as anything. I can't seem to locate even a picture of something like that to explain to the homeowner, fixture manufacturer, or parts suppliers what I need.

So everyone stares at me blankly while I know I'm not completely nuts (am I)

Does anyone recognize what I'm talking about, or even better have a picture of the mounting system I'm describing?

Julian

 

[matt_i]

I did this once helping a friend. The hanging eye system supplied with the fixture was based on 1/4 NPT pipe fittings. Basically the piece to acquire was an extra long 1/4" NPT black pipe ****** which went all the way thru the octagon (?- forgot!) box and into a 2x6 above it which was bridged across the ceiling joists. Then a pipe cap and some appropriate large washers.

Finally for safety we also threaded a 1/8" steel aircraft cable thru the chain and also thru the j-box and up to another chord on the truss, held in by heavy screws.

It would be a little ungainly up-close with all of this stuff going on but this was 20 feet up in a large foyer.

Another practical problem was raising the fixture up. Nobody could hold the weight of the thing at arm's length while climbing a ladder. So it was rigged into position using a lever hoist after the eye above was set in place. Then a matter of attaching the fixture chain to the eye (I think it had its own anchor-shackle-type-fitting) and remove the come-along. Also had to rent a 16' A-frame stepladder from the Home D.

Pretty cool project although its obviously high stakes and requires a good bit of planning and thinking ahead of time.

 

[mm08822]

There are motorized chandelier lifts available. It is literally a winch and cable reel in one unit. They are great to raise/lower the light for cleaning and relamping. From the room side, you would never know anything special is behind the sheetrock. $800-1200 for 300# lift capacity!

search aladdin light lifts.

 

[AntonLargiader]

is designing the support for this within the appropriate scope of your work from a liability standpoint? if it's a new house I would let the builders take responsibility for the support. The chandelier hoist sounds pretty good as it probably has good mounting instructions along with an established rating for that weight.

If it falls, someone is going to want to know if the people making the mounting decisions were qualified to do so.

 

[rockwithjason]

the fixture must be separately supported from a mount designed for that weight. you will have to use a jbox regardless of what the vendor says. you cannot hang the fixture from a jbox with a mudring or from a 7s box. fan rated boxes are not enough. you MUST separately support the fixture, period.

 

[mnoeltne]

Currently unavailable from Amazon, but you might be able to find it elsewhere:
Westinghouse chandelier mount

 

[sierradmax]

Anyway to support with a wood sammy & threaded rod assembly?

 

[zmaxmotorsports]

the fixture must be separately supported from a mount designed for that weight. you will have to use a jbox regardless of what the vendor says. you cannot hang the fixture from a jbox with a mudring or from a 7s box. fan rated boxes are not enough. you MUST separately support the fixture, period.