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Looking for some advice, I have a Trane heat pump that won't come on its about 10 years old. went to use the air cond. today and it won't work. thermostat will not function. the air handler has power to it ,one problem is that the outside unit has a 220 30 amp breaker. the inside unit has 2 110 20 amp. breakers one of the 20 amp breakers won't reset, short somewhere ?
i'm not sure were to start looking but i'm thinking the fan motor may have seized up. other than that i'm lost. may have to call a service man but that's going to hurt bad. I know there is not a lot of information any ideas on things I could check.
Jay D.
 
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Sounds like you have 2 single pole breakers feeding the indoor unit where it should normally have a 2 pole breaker. Could be a short preventing the one breaker from resetting, or it could be the breaker itself is bad. In either case, you really need to change this out to a 2 pole as using a pair of single poles can create a dangerous situation. 2 pole breakers have what's called an internal common trip, which means if either hot leg has a short or overcurrent situation then both sides of the breaker trip so all power is disconnected.

That said, the indoor section would typically have a 220 x 24 volt transformer to supply control power for the system. One of your single pole breakers being tripped disables the transformer, thus nothing works at that point.

I'd first disconnect the power from the indoor unit and see if the breaker will reset. If not, the breaker is bad or there's a short between the breaker and the unit. If it does reset, then check each leg of the unit power for continuity to ground. That will show you which leg is shorted. From that point, use the unit's wiring diagram to chase down the location of the short.

My first guess is a bad breaker. If the fan motor locks up it usually won't trip a breaker because the impedance (resistance} of the motor is sufficient to prevent it from pulling enough amperage to trip. It just sits there and gets hot. Of course if there's an actual short in the windings then it would trip, but that's fairly rare from what I've seen over the years. The control transformer normally has an internal fuse, so if it shorts it just blows that fuse rather than tripping a breaker. Past that, most shorts are going to be due to something loose or something where the insulation is rubbed thru.

Regardless of what you find, get rid of those single pole breakers and replace them with a proper 2 pole unit. Real cheap way to get rid of a potential dangerous situation down the road.
 
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Sounds like you have 2 single pole breakers feeding the indoor unit where it should normally have a 2 pole breaker. Could be a short preventing the one breaker from resetting, or it could be the breaker itself is bad. In either case, you really need to change this out to a 2 pole as using a pair of single poles can create a dangerous situation. 2 pole breakers have what's called an internal common trip, which means if either hot leg has a short or overcurrent situation then both sides of the breaker trip so all power is disconnected.

That said, the indoor section would typically have a 220 x 24 volt transformer to supply control power for the system. One of your single pole breakers being tripped disables the transformer, thus nothing works at that point.

I'd first disconnect the power from the indoor unit and see if the breaker will reset. If not, the breaker is bad or there's a short between the breaker and the unit. If it does reset, then check each leg of the unit power for continuity to ground. That will show you which leg is shorted. From that point, use the unit's wiring diagram to chase down the location of the short.

My first guess is a bad breaker. If the fan motor locks up it usually won't trip a breaker because the impedance (resistance} of the motor is sufficient to prevent it from pulling enough amperage to trip. It just sits there and gets hot. Of course if there's an actual short in the windings then it would trip, but that's fairly rare from what I've seen over the years. The control transformer normally has an internal fuse, so if it shorts it just blows that fuse rather than tripping a breaker. Past that, most shorts are going to be due to something loose or something where the insulation is rubbed thru.

Regardless of what you find, get rid of those single pole breakers and replace them with a proper 2 pole unit. Real cheap way to get rid of a potential dangerous situation down the road.

I think but not positively sure is that one of the 120v breakers is for the electronic air purifier the other runs the air handler

Jay D.
 

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I think but not positively sure is that one of the 120v breakers is for the electronic air purifier the other runs the air handler.

It would be unusual for the indoor unit of a heat pump to be 120V. Possible if the unit has no auxiliary strip heat, but in general even the units with no heat still use a transformer and relay board manufactured for 240V operation since maximum use of identical parts equals lowest manufacturing cost.
 
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It would be unusual for the indoor unit of a heat pump to be 120V. Possible if the unit has no auxiliary strip heat, but in general even the units with no heat still use a transformer and relay board manufactured for 240V operation since maximum use of identical parts equals lowest manufacturing cost.

I think your right I does have a heat strip and most certainly is 220. I need to check my breaker list to see what is what.


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My heat pump is on a 100amp circuit at the main box, and then a sub panel with breakers for the heat pump unit and another 40 amp for the outside unit. The heat pump itself has a set of breakers for the strip heaters and seems like a 120 breaker for its controls and fan. You need to find out what is tripping the breaker, turn off heat strips etc until you isolate the problem and then get back to use.
 
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you'll never believe this but my wife fixed the heat pump. turns out it was the thermostat. when I looked at it it was dead, I hadn't had time to confirm this by testing it. but the wife finally pulled it apart,.it's a programmable one, to many transistors and wire plugins to mess with. so she puts it back on the wall an wala it works now
Jay D.
 
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