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Heat Recommendations for 32x30

wrenchmaster

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I am build in garage. It will have two floors
and 10' ceiling on first floor.
I want to heat both levels.
I'm located in Massachusetts.
 

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If you have access to natural gas that's typically the cheapest fuel cost not involving free firewood.

Unless sealed with a door or hatch, the 2nd floor is going to get much warmer via natural convection. You might consider some sort of duct work + fan to circulate heated air back down, depending on the design of the space. My PC won't open the .pdf files for some reason.
 

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I think matts right. Maybe a floor grate or two and that upstairs will be warm.
For that size I'd look at radiant tube.
 

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IMHO, the most important thing is to install at least 2" of rigid foam board and vapor barrier UNDER your slab. Even if you do NOT install radiant in-floor heating your floor will be warmer and dryer.

Radiant, in-floor heat is the most COMFORTABLE form of heat, especially on a slab. You can use natural gas, propane, oil or even wood as a heat source. The downside is it is not cheap to install. Operation costs depends mostly on how well you insulated.

Stay away from electric resistance heat. Cheap to install, but you will go broke running it in winter.

Cheapest to install and operate is probably gas or propane forced air.
 

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For the average shop without in-floor heat, the cost of installing under-slab insulation will never pay itself off.

I did the math for mine - even in Canada it wasn't going to pay off.

OP: My recommendation would really depend on your goal. A NG unit heater is probably the cheapest option, but with a 2nd floor you're going to have to carefully design to avoid hot and cold spots. Air circulation is key.
 
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IMHO, the most important thing is to install at least 2" of rigid foam board and vapor barrier UNDER your slab. Even if you do NOT install radiant in-floor heating your floor will be warmer and dryer.

Radiant, in-floor heat is the most COMFORTABLE form of heat, especially on a slab. You can use natural gas, propane, oil or even wood as a heat source. The downside is it is not cheap to install. Operation costs depends mostly on how well you insulated.

Stay away from electric resistance heat. Cheap to install, but you will go broke running it in winter.

Cheapest to install and operate is probably gas or propane forced air.

One of the things I'm finding buy accident is that my uninstalled slab appears to be working very well for the way I use the garage and I'm not sure if it will be a plus or a minus.

What I found in having an unconditioned shop over the past several years is that the temperature inside the garage is significantly warmer in the winter and significantly cooler in the summer than outside temps. I attribute that to the slab in contact with the ground acting as a giant heat sink maintaining a more neutral mother earth temperature.

For me this may be a plus. and I say maybe so don't run to the bank with this This is because of the way I use the garage. For example today when I got up it was 10° F outside but 42° F in the shop. Heat was shut off at around 8:00PM the night before. Now if I my intent was to keep the shop at a year round temperature of 68° F, I would say absolutely foundation insulation is required and radiant heat would be the best solution. But my intent is to keep the shop at around 40 in the winter and AC off in the summer unless I'm in it which is not most of the time. So right now it looks like the heat wont even be coming on at all when I'm not in it.

In this situation I would say radiant heat would not be good at all because it heats the floor first before the shop but my hot air will work fine although I may have somewhat cold feet as the floor heats last.

Now if I were to have insulated my floor and was gone for my typical 2 days the concrete would have been able to absorb ambient air temp and I would have come back to a cold or hot shop and the unit would run longer to catch up.

So your thoughts did I win by accident or am I doing to pay heavily for the mistake of not insulating the slab.
 

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For the average shop without in-floor heat, the cost of installing under-slab insulation will never pay itself off.

I did the math for mine - even in Canada it wasn't going to pay off.
You are probably correct, but it makes for a more COMFORTABLE floor. A bit warmer and not as damp.
 

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You are probably correct, but it makes for a more COMFORTABLE floor. A bit warmer and not as damp.

Yes, that I could agree with.

Again - it sort of depends on the shop and usage as to the value of that comfort tho. I don't spend a lot of time laying on my shop floor and when I do - I usually throw down a sheet of cardboard 1st. Dampness isn't really a factor for the same reasons.

But as mentioned, everyone's shop/work/and needs are different. For me - I got a lot more benefit spending that money on other aspects of the shop. For example: The money I saved on in-floor heating allowed me to build an attic room above.
 
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wrenchmaster

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KEEP'EM COMING!!

I appreciate your input. I'm looking to find someone who may be using their garage as I would be and in a climate comparable also.

I live in Massachusetts with winter temps dropping to single digits.

I will have two floors, ground floor for autos and second floor for wood shop.

I don't want anything to freeze, ever, and id like to figure a comfortable working temperate as my mean.

I'm not sure what fuel source or system I should use yet.

I have NG on my street, but no service to my home.
 

truckman5000

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Were do you live? im on cape cod. Here national grid will run 1st 50ft for 500$ Depending on how far away your shop is from the street. You can call the gas co. they will quote you.
My house..they wanted 6k to run gas, so i put the hi-output ductless a/c's / heat pumps in with oil back up. I have a hydronic modine heater in the garage ran off the boiler.
 
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