Hein Warner Floor Jack
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billymade
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Were they originally brick red and white?
You're damn right Elroy is going to use it ! And if the paint get scratched no big deal. Elroy has a few projects just waiting for this tools return!
Uncle Buck
Banned
I have seen HW jacks of that vintage and would have to agree with Elroy that Chevy orange is about a spot on match for the original color. Fantastic thread, I wish I had thought of doing the same thing as Elroy and documenting a rebuild as he did. While it has been a few years since I have rebuilt a floor jack I would have to agree with all the steps Elroy took in his rebuild to include the taping of the rolling faces of the wheels prior to paint. I was a bit curious about the black springs and frame to bottle bolts and new hdw used on the lift arm. I liked the use of what appeared to be new return springs lift arm hdw and natural steel of the frame to bottle bolts, these are details I must confess I would have overlooked and simply painted the predominate color of the jack. I also think I might spray my next jack instead of brush painting as I have done in the past. While I would have been totally comfortable spraying the floor jacks I have done I always chose to brush paint a thicker coat on the jack due to the rough use the finish takes at floor level, but Elroys build has me thinking it might be about time to rebuild the old Blackhawk I have been using for the last few years and spray it instead of brushing it due to the quality of finish that clearly shows on Elroys build. Again, thanks for the thread and very well done Elroy, I would trust you to rebuild a couple of old long frame service jacks I have waiting for the time. Would you care to tackle an old school long frame Walker 50's vintage or so? Just let me know. LOL
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GDA
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Elroy
Outstanding work! Prime example of why people should buy good tools and take care of them. Even when they have to be serviced they will continue to last for years and years.
Outstanding work! Prime example of why people should buy good tools and take care of them. Even when they have to be serviced they will continue to last for years and years.
Elroy actually thought he was done with this thread but he came across some additional information that maybe of value. Seams that these people have a rather extensive parts inventory for these old jacks:
http://www.hydjack.com/
In addition, Google is able to view their catalog:
http://catalogs.google.com/catalogs?id=ORMIH3oGxAAC&printsec=frontcover&dq=ws+leather+"hein+werner"
This link would be of great value to someone in the market for repair parts.
http://www.hydjack.com/
In addition, Google is able to view their catalog:
http://catalogs.google.com/catalogs?id=ORMIH3oGxAAC&printsec=frontcover&dq=ws+leather+"hein+werner"
This link would be of great value to someone in the market for repair parts.
billymade
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Awesome info! Thank Elroy for me.... LOL! 
caper
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I was dumping a load of scrap at the scrap metal dealer about two yrs ago when I noticed a very large floor jack in the pile.Needing one at the farm where I do side work I dug it out and bought it for scrap price-$50 if I remember.Turned out to be a 10 ton hein warner floor jack out of a truck shop.The farmer bought it from me and had the hydraulics rebuilt for $150 and its still going strong.Looked up replacement cost and it was over $2000.Caper is very impressed with Elroy's quality of work and hopes Elroy gets many more years of good service from his quality equipment!
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Elroy was approached seeking additional information on servicing of the over valve. For clarification, Elroy choose to post additional information on the main board.
The over load valve on this particular jack is located on the right hand side of the main block. The over load valve is located deep with-in the main block under the slotted plug shown in this view with a little bit of Teflon tape showing. This "valve" is little more than a heavy spring and ball
Service of this valve requires a special tool. Elroy has only seen this tool offer one place:
Elroy was pleased to see that his project was of value.
The over load valve on this particular jack is located on the right hand side of the main block. The over load valve is located deep with-in the main block under the slotted plug shown in this view with a little bit of Teflon tape showing. This "valve" is little more than a heavy spring and ball
Service of this valve requires a special tool. Elroy has only seen this tool offer one place:
Elroy was pleased to see that his project was of value.
goodfellow
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Seems it would be fairly easy to make if you have access to a lathe
Great job.
Elroy has a real knack for both the rebuild and the technical writing: enough detail that even the uninitiated can follow and enough color to make it interesting and readable combined with a determination to do the rebuild right instead of quick. Seriously, Elroy could do this for a living and do it better than Haynes. Makes me want to rebuild something.
Elroy has a real knack for both the rebuild and the technical writing: enough detail that even the uninitiated can follow and enough color to make it interesting and readable combined with a determination to do the rebuild right instead of quick. Seriously, Elroy could do this for a living and do it better than Haynes. Makes me want to rebuild something.
Ezzie
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Wow, I just stumbled across this thread. I have one of these Hein Werner WS's and it is in need of a rebuild. I'm going to tackle the rebuild of it now with confidence if I can find a seal kit for it. Thanks Elroy!!
trackwelder
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This is the same model I believe and in need of a rebuild. I am going to see what it will cost to have Hydraulic Jack Inc handle the rebuild of the main block. By the way nice job Elroy
Yey.
That's a model WS alright
Rebuild that yourself. I did all the hard work for ya!.
If you decide to have a shop rebuild it, Please let us know what it costs. Elroy has a friend with a smaller model Hein Werner that was his grandfathers. He wanting it rebuilt. The question is; What should we charge ???
That's a model WS alright
Rebuild that yourself. I did all the hard work for ya!.
If you decide to have a shop rebuild it, Please let us know what it costs. Elroy has a friend with a smaller model Hein Werner that was his grandfathers. He wanting it rebuilt. The question is; What should we charge ???
trackwelder
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I wish I had the time to rebuild it all myself. I only have one good floor jack left and could really use this one soon. If its to costly to farm out I will print out this thread and attempt it myself
trackwelder
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Yey.
That's a model WS alright
Rebuild that yourself. I did all the hard work for ya!.
If you decide to have a shop rebuild it, Please let us know what it costs. Elroy has a friend with a smaller model Hein Werner that was his grandfathers. He wanting it rebuilt. The question is; What should we charge ???
The quote for rebuilding was $138.00 with parts.
Uncle Buck
Banned
I bet it will not be done with near the attention to details shown by our friend Elroy either.
Power wash, let dry and follow with a quick cover from a couple of spray bombs and she will be good to go eh!
john w
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I paid $175 to have my Walker J-883 rebuilt by a hydraulic shop in Alexandria, VA. It's a Hein-Warner 1 1/4 ton jack with Walker's name on it. These jacks were originally named O'Boy before being named H-W.
That's a bargain that would raise some concern. Hell Elroy had a good 30 hours in his. But then again I'm a little up tight about doing things right.
Look at it this way, the kit at whole sale prices is $30. Retail they run double that. So you have what ? A $100 for labor? Ya it could be done in two hours. Would it be done right??
Give it a try, if these folks have been through one before, two hours would be about right for a quick tear down and reassembly with fresh seals.
Good luck however you decide to go.
trackwelder
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I bet it will not be done with near the attention to details shown by our friend Elroy either.
Power wash, let dry and follow with a quick cover from a couple of spray bombs and she will be good to go eh!
If I decide to send it out it would only be the main block. I will handle all the paint work with epoxy paint. I spoke with the rebuilder and he seems to be very good at this. He is only about an hour south of me I might just go for a drive.
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Uncle Buck
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I think I was quoted something like $150 to have my Lincoln rebuilt. Since I'm in no rush, I bought the kit for like $40 (w/ tax) and I'm going to do it myself when I get the time. I already removed the unit from the frame.
http://www.phjjacks.com/ This company sells repair kits.
KCarGuy
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Elroy, I was going through some old posts, and I love what you did with your Vintage Floor Jack. I really love the Chevy Orange (of course). I'm thinking of rebuilding my old jack and may just steal your color. Can you, or anyone else, tell me what make and year that this "bad boy" of mine may be? I have had it for years, used it alot, but its time to freshen her up. I do need rear swivel wheels for sure.
Anyway, great job on yours...really sparked
some interest in my garage!
I really love the Chevy Orange (of course). I'm thinking of rebuilding my old jack and may just steal your color. Can you, or anyone else, tell me what make and year that this "bad boy" of mine may be? I have had it for years, used it alot, but its time to freshen her up. I do need rear swivel wheels for sure.Anyway, great job on yours...really sparked
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KCarGuy
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I started taking it apart and sanding it down (and knocking all the dirt off)...it looks to be Bright Red under the Blue...that looks to be the original Red...anyone know this type or maker of Floor jack? It also looks to have a large sticker on the top of the lift plate, parts look red and white. I'll take pictures as I go along.
gpstraub
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It looks very similar to an old Blackhawk jack that my dad has. It wouldn't be the same model but a lot of the parts have very similar characteristics. Ohio Hydraulics has a lot of old parts lists with asscoiated images that may help you to identify.
http://www.ohiohydraulic.com/drawings_page.htm
Good luck with your rebuild. I just finished up rebuilding an SJ-2 Blackhawk and Elroy's writeup was invaluable
Thanks again Elroy!!
http://www.ohiohydraulic.com/drawings_page.htm
Good luck with your rebuild. I just finished up rebuilding an SJ-2 Blackhawk and Elroy's writeup was invaluable
Thanks again Elroy!!I just finished up rebuilding an SJ-2 Blackhawk and Elroy's writeup was invaluable
Well ole Elroy has news for ya. He enjoyed that little project but what he really likes best is using a jack that does NOT leak.
We're very glad others have derived some benefit form our efforts.
We thank you for the kind words.
Elroy, I was going through some old posts, and I love what you did with your Vintage Floor Jack.
Anyway, great job on yours...really sparked
This looks like a great site so i figured i would join to try and assist where needed. First off i have over 20 years experience rebuilding hydraulic jacks, cylinders and ive inherited over 60 years worth of my grandfathers experience in the same field over the years. I rebuild jacks in my spare time and im a locomotive engineer full time. I purchase 90 percent of my soft parts via Hydraulic parts supply in Sawyer, Ks. I do have alot of obsolete hard parts for jacks that you just cant find anymore. I hate to be the bearer of bad news (sorta) but it is not a (original) blackhawk it is in fact a taiwan jack (overseas) believe it or not. Now over the years Blackhawk,Lincoln and even Hein werner have sold there name to these china companies but there is nothing american made to there design. Now that doesnt mean that is not a good jack, Does it? Depends on your interpertation. First off its a rather easy inexpensive jack to work on, mainly because it uses only O-rings and backups instead of Leather, and poly cups. Truth be told the only American made jack anymore is (Weaver), heinwerner sold out to Shin Fu, Lincoln sold out to Hein Werner, Hein Werner decided to abandon there Pre-90's design and soley use Lincolns design which was previously Walker back in the olden days. Still with me? Im confused... Anyways great site and if i can be of any assistance let me know. Mexico, MO
trackwelder
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Nice to have an expert on board...Welcome
Well ole Elroy has news for ya. He enjoyed that little project but what he really likes best is using a jack that does NOT leak.
We're very glad others have derived some benefit form our efforts.
We thank you for the kind words.
Nice job elroy, I personally know how much time you spent on that jack to make it look like that. I rebuild jacks (part time) and my customers couldnt afford me if i had to make there jack look like that. My price would be roughly $135-150 to tear down, Inspect the cylinder, valve seats and install a new complete kit and a 1 Year warranty (general service) . My cleanup consists of Degreasing, Pressure washer, Blow Air thru all valve lines and re-assembly. My price for doing what you did would be roughly $1000, LOL. Anyway take pride in your work it looks good. Would like to add, Using Teflon tape is not always wise, It just takes 1 little itty bitty piece to compromise a ball seating. Generally there is enough threads that it wont permit any oil from seaping thru, especially on the low pressure side of the shut off and valves if the correct spring length, tension was used.
Ramblur
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Elroy, just read through this thread tonight and must say how much I
enjoyed it. I also appreciate you taking the time to document your
rebuild and share it with us. Although my current jack of choice is a
Nesco aluminum job with a Crapsman for backup I still have fond
memories of the Hein Werners and Walkers from my past.
BUT,just so you know: My Hein Werners can
whip your Hein Werner!
We picked up these 1967 twins around 1980 in Ohio and brought them to
Florida to live out their golden years. For 20 years they enjoyed "laying pipe"
and "gardening". One still survives puttering around on a ranch. These
C12HD's were powered by 4-71 Jimmy diesels turning a 3 stage hydraulic
pump and between the two leaking was a trademark.
enjoyed it. I also appreciate you taking the time to document your
rebuild and share it with us. Although my current jack of choice is a
Nesco aluminum job with a Crapsman for backup I still have fond
memories of the Hein Werners and Walkers from my past.
BUT,just so you know: My Hein Werners can
whip your Hein Werner!
We picked up these 1967 twins around 1980 in Ohio and brought them to
Florida to live out their golden years. For 20 years they enjoyed "laying pipe"
and "gardening". One still survives puttering around on a ranch. These
C12HD's were powered by 4-71 Jimmy diesels turning a 3 stage hydraulic
pump and between the two leaking was a trademark.
Uncle Buck
Banned
How about Grey brand? I thought they were still made in the states.
Im really not very familiar with Gray brand hydraulic jacks, Ive worked on some Gray bumper jacks in the past but never a hydraulic floor or bottle jack. It appears from there website that they are in fact a US company actually located in MO, go figure. It looks like they specalize mainily in lifts though.
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