Hein Warner Floor Jack

[engineer031]

I have looked over my Hw jack and everything appears to be in good shape. I found a leak at the filler plug due to the gasket was half there. It will try to move when I pump it but wont go up. I can lift the arm up a few inches and it will lift all the way up, but if I stand on it it will go down all the way.I took out the piston and the packing nut was not even finger tight. I then gave the nut a quarter turn on the cup. I added oil after I put it together but it does the same thing. I am wonder where I should look next. I wonder if the safety valve or the release valve is where I should look next.
Also is there a way to tell the approximate age on this jack

 

[On-Wheel]

Did you figure it out? Get a rebuild kit ,use all thread info,should be like new then.
I hope it's that easy for me.lol

 

[123Go]

Leather? Be sure you dont get pleather.
I bought a leather belt from Walmart and after a month the pos was twice the length it started at.
So' I cut it in half and now I have two to wear. Anyone want to buy them?...lol
Just think of all the seals you could get out of them?

At first my dumb *** thought I lost weight, on my way to look'n good...lol

 

[6PTsocket]

Here is a little historical insight into the situation I found here:
http://www.jackxchange.com/manufacturers/28.cfm
"Hein Werner a trusted name in Automotive Lifting Equipment is back. Brought back to the marketplace by SFA Company. The Hein Werner line offers quality products made in the USA and North America. The Hein Werner product line is a combination of equipment once manufacured by both Hein Werner and Lincoln/Walker. The new color of the Hein Werner line carries forward the the Lincoln/Walker color of blue and gold."
More info here: http://www.hyjacks.com/H2.HTM

This is the current company that makes the Hein-Warner line and their support info:
http://www.shinnfuamerica.com/(S(xuzl3j3mtrucgxydhnzrbo45))/Products/Product_Categories.aspx?ID=6

Shinn Fu Company of America, Inc.
10939 N. Pomona Avenue
Kansas City, Missouri 64153
United States

Telephone: (816) 891-6390

Fax: (816) 891-6599

Email: [email protected]

Here are exploded view of some of the earlier jacks:
http://www.ohiohydraulic.com/hein-werner drawing page.htm

Here is a source for service parts: http://blackhawkparts.com/store/page9.html

Shinn Fu is a Taiwanese Company. They distribute or manufacture jacks and other stuff under many brand names, at every level from industrial to DIY, all over the world. They own the Hein Werner name. The Hein Werner jacks are assembled here but how many of the parts are made here, I have no idea.

 

[123Go]

Up until 2015 the HW shinnFu that say "Made in the USA" were indeed all made in USA except the rear caster wheels & the handle witch were imported. The hydraulic cylinder was 100% made in North Dakota.
In my opinion if shinnfu would have made the handle/Casters here and advertised it as being 100% made in USA they would have had a hard time meeting the demand as so many people wanting USA made jacks now days.

But' then again with more & more people doing less repairs on thier own cars now days I could be wrong? I rarely take my cars to someone else like most now do.
I even rotate my own tires due to Sears leaving its lug nuts loose & we damn near lost a front wheel.

Look at most tire stores service techs tire gauge next time, 50 cent one from stop n go counter...They dont care about your car or your families life.
My SUV 17" brand new tires left DiscountTire with only 24psi in each one. Ya' that is real safe on an SUV.....
Fair Warning: Double check "everything" thats done if you didnt do it.
But back to the HW jacks shinnfu only assembles here today, who knows but Im sure they are all imported parts now? What a shame....

 

[Badasssapper67]

A Chinese company who bought a previously owned American company and they are now using the previous American company's name AND building them in America?!!? This is too much info for me to absorb right now; I think I need a shot of whiskey.

Right there with ya! If they move Jim Beam to china Im checkin out!!!

 

[jrobb316]

Up until 2015 the HW shinnFu that say "Made in the USA" were indeed all made in USA except the rear caster wheels & the handle witch were imported. The hydraulic cylinder was 100% made in North Dakota.
In my opinion if shinnfu would have made the handle/Casters here and advertised it as being 100% made in USA they would have had a hard time meeting the demand as so many people wanting USA made jacks now days.

But' then again with more & more people doing less repairs on thier own cars now days I could be wrong? I rarely take my cars to someone else like most now do.
I even rotate my own tires due to Sears leaving its lug nuts loose & we damn near lost a front wheel.

Look at most tire stores service techs tire gauge next time, 50 cent one from stop n go counter...They dont care about your car or your families life.
My SUV 17" brand new tires left DiscountTire with only 24psi in each one. Ya' thats real safe in one of them....
Fair Warning: Double check "everything" thats done if you didnt do it.
But back to the HW jacks shinnfu only assembles here today, who knows but Im sure they are all imported parts now? What a shame....

I would like to believe you on the fact they couldn't keep up if all USA made, but after a day of reading this forum I know we are doomed. The vast majority of people would rather buy a Harbor Freight floor jack, in a couple years when it dies just buy another one. Quality to most people doesn't matter anymore, which is why we have a flood of junk to buy. Full disclosure: I have a Milwaukee 20 jack and HW jack stands as well as other older USA jacks that are currently out for rebuilding (bought them used on CL knowing they needed a rebuild after 30+ years in service).

As far as servicing my own vehicles, its easy for me as i'm an auto tech. I do have to bring my car in for a recall however and since I don't work for that manufacturer anymore someone else has to do it. That irritates me that someone else needs to do it, but I'm friends with one of my former co-workers who will do it, so I know it will be done right.

 

[123Go]

True Harbor is king today...lmao
Believe it or not my local hyd repair shop used to rebuild those junk Harbors. He said after so many had failed to reach thier stated lift ratings, due to thier junk cast iron handle base cracking on them while on his setup machine he stopped trying to rebuild them. Junk casting, O-rings instead of U-cup seals, terrible machining on them, absolute junk from start.

I recently bought 2 long frame 2 ton Hein Werner "M" series off craigslist. Both are well over 20yrs old, maybe 30? Both still work flawlessly with no leaks or bleed off over night under a load, for $50 ea. They were used by an antique tractor collector who recently passed.
Im sure some idiots saw them posted on there too and passed to buy a month old leaky Harbor jack.

So far everyone I told not to buy a Harbor jack did it anyway and now walk by it in thier garage corner everyday and curse it. Everyone seems to have to buy one and try it, like its on thier bucket list or something?? lol

PS: Yes we are doomed as hell!! If we dont support U.S. jobs we wont have them to support, so then the same ones who failed to support the jobs get to pay out welfare checks with thier higher taxes but get nothing in return....And around we go.

 

[jrobb316]

True Harbor is king today...lmao
Believe it or not my local hyd repair shop used to rebuild those junk Harbors. He said after so many had failed to reach thier stated lift ratings, due to thier junk cast iron handle base cracking on them while on his setup machine he stopped trying to rebuild them. Junk casting, O-rings instead of U-cup seals, terrible machining on them, absolute junk from start.

I recently bought 2 long frame 2 ton Hein Werner "M" series off craigslist. Both are well over 20yrs old, maybe 30? Both still work flawlessly with no leaks or bleed off over night under a load, for $50 ea. They were used by an antique tractor collector who recently passed.
Im sure some idiots saw them posted on there too and passed to buy a month old leaky Harbor jack.

So far everyone I told not to buy a Harbor jack did it anyway and now walk by it in thier garage corner everyday and curse it. Everyone seems to have to buy one and try it, like its on thier bucket list or something?? lol

PS: Yes we are doomed as hell!! If we dont support U.S. jobs we wont have them to support, so then the same ones who failed to support the jobs get to pay out welfare checks with thier higher taxes but get nothing in return....And around we go.

In fairness I guess HF used to, like 10 years + ago, rebrand a Japanese jack that was good. But you just commited sacrilege denying that God himself looked down and gave us HF stores and everything contained there-in. the only real vote we do have is a vote with our dollars. Hopefully more will put their money where their mouth is. And I include buying a used jack in that camp, as I said mine are getting rebuilt by an American, putting food on his table. I'd rather have a professional job done and it's just not worth the cost, time vs seal kit, to do it myself.

 

[EDGAR]

The story I heard about the Hein Werner is that the body of the jack, or the side plates, the casters and other parts, like the handle socket, were imported but the pump and lifting arm were made in the USA. And this happened way before 2015 as stated above. The 2010 Shinn Fu catalog shows a different side plate image from the original made in USA jacks. The USA made jacks had the wheel axle welded to the frame. The ones shown in 2010 were not welded, instead, one short piece of pipe is welded on each side plate to hold the axle and side plate at 90 degrees. This is the way the Blackhawk 6020 was done and the 6020 was an imported Hein Werner 93642 painted red, exactly the same jack but the axle was not welded.The 6020 in not sold anymore, probably before 2010. The reason I can think for not welding the side plates to the axle is that it makes it easier to ship the plates in a smaller package and easier to assemble the jacks in USA. No more welders needed.

 

[123Go]

Just going by what the company stated back then. Here's one ShinnFu email reply from end of 2012.....Remember by law, in the US today 75% of the item must be made here + all assembly done here too just to state its made in USA so cant be too many pieces china.
Ive seen several welded axle versions tweaked where all 4 wheels wont touch without a load on them from being moved with a car on them. Could be why they changed + no welder cost as stated, surely is real reason.


From: Stephen
To: John (Email removed-)
Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: SFA Website Inquiry


John'
All major components on these jacks are made in the USA. Only the rear casters and handles are made overseas due to the inability to have these made in the USA. This only applies on the 2 and 3 ton units. The rest of the Hein-Werner line is 100 % made in the USA.
-Stephen



------Original Message------
From: John (email removed)
To: CustomerService
Subject: SFA Website Inquiry
Sent: Oct 7, 2012 3:41 PM

I've read countless blogs and reviews all over the internet stating that your HW jacks are built mostly with all china parts. If its true, what parts are from china? What percent?

If its false then hein werner needs to put an end to this rumor and put "100% made in U.S.A." on the jack and your advertisements.
We just want to know where our stuffs made today..
Thank you
John

 

[123Go]

Another email reply (best one imo) around that time, different tech.. But who knows whats china now?


From: Bill A
To: Removed
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 8:20 AM
Subject: RE: SFA Website Inquiry



If the jack was made of all China made parts, and assembled here in the US then it would have to be labeled, "Assembled In the US" not "Made in the US". The power units are made in South Dakota-for instance, the jacks are assembled here in Kansas City. Some of the minor components like the handle and casters are import, but the major components, like the lift arm and power units are made here in the US.





Best Regards,

Bill A.
BVA/SFA Technical Service
SFA Companies
10939 N. Pomona Ave.
Kansas City, MO 64153
Technical Service Office Hours: 7:00am-4:45pm Central
Phone: 816-891-6390
Fax: 816-448-1999
Toll free: 1-888-332-6419

 

[jagplates]

I've got what seems to be a Hein-Werner WS 1 1/2 ton. I bought it used around 1977, with no nameplate, and the guy who sold it to me said it was a Hein-Werner. When I took it in for a rebuild, the shop said it was a Guardian. It looks the same as the WS jacks I've seen in the pictures on this thread, except that the rear wheels are attached to the frame via a stud & nut, but the hydraulic unit looks the same, with plugs in the same places and the castellated nut on the end..

I've had this jack rebuilt twice (by the same shop) at what seemed like astronomical prices, and it didn't seem to last very long. (I bought a 2 1/2 Norco about 15 years ago that is just now starting to want attention, so I'm thinking about resurrecting the WS.) The jack only goes up about 9 inches now, so I tried adding fluid. Very little was required. If I pump the handle about 30 more times after it reaches 9 inches, it will eventually move up in spurts to about 11 inches. but when I step on it, it feels spongy, like a car that needs its brakes bled. There are no obvious external leaks.

For all the detail on rebuilding the units, I don't see any info on how to properly bleed the jack. I'd like to try that before ripping into it for it's third rebuild. Any advice?

 

[Hiball]

I've got what seems to be a Hein-Werner WS 1 1/2 ton. I bought it used around 1977, with no nameplate, and the guy who sold it to me said it was a Hein-Werner. When I took it in for a rebuild, the shop said it was a Guardian. It looks the same as the WS jacks I've seen in the pictures on this thread, except that the rear wheels are attached to the frame via a stud & nut, but the hydraulic unit looks the same, with plugs in the same places and the castellated nut on the end..

I've had this jack rebuilt twice (by the same shop) at what seemed like astronomical prices, and it didn't seem to last very long. (I bought a 2 1/2 Norco about 15 years ago that is just now starting to want attention, so I'm thinking about resurrecting the WS.) The jack only goes up about 9 inches now, so I tried adding fluid. Very little was required. If I pump the handle about 30 more times after it reaches 9 inches, it will eventually move up in spurts to about 11 inches. but when I step on it, it feels spongy, like a car that needs its brakes bled. There are no obvious external leaks.

For all the detail on rebuilding the units, I don't see any info on how to properly bleed the jack. I'd like to try that before ripping into it for it's third rebuild. Any advice?

Pictures can go along way in determining the model, in regards to,bleeding procedures.... I've typed it 1000 times, what another one.

Make sure there is sufficient oil in the reservoir, open the release, pump the handle 6-10 times, this will flush the valve circuit, close the release, check the oil level, add as needed, cycle the Jack to check the operation.

 

[jagplates]

Make sure there is sufficient oil in the reservoir, open the release, pump the handle 6-10 times, this will flush the valve circuit, close the release, check the oil level, add as needed, cycle the Jack to check the operation.

That is the process that I was using, so any ideas on why the fully extended jack is only about 11 inches off the ground and feels spongy for about 2 inches of travel when I step on it?
(Pictures of jack attached. Color is not original. I think it was red when I got it.)

 

[Hiball]

That is the process that I was using, so any ideas on why the fully extended jack is only about 11 inches off the ground and feels spongy for about 2 inches of travel when I step on it?
(Pictures of jack attached. Color is not original. I think it was red when I got it.)

Well it's definitely a WS, I would definitely check the oil level, unfortunately it's not a easy task, as it doesn't have your typical reservoir fill hole and fills from the back side. I would try adding a little oil, bleeding the Jack and see if that fixes your spongy feedback when extended. I have the oil capacity from the full Oem manual here, I'll get the numbers tomorrow and follow up, unfortunately the only way to verify the current oil level is to fully drain it.

 

[anndel]

My 10 year old Hein Werner 2 ton floor jack. I finally changed the hydraulic fluid, greased the casters and moving parts and the zerk fitting as well - yesterday after 10 years of neglect. Works like I bought it yesterday.

 

[mjoekingz28]

The story I heard about the Hein Werner is that the body of the jack, or the side plates, the casters and other parts, like the handle socket, were imported but the pump and lifting arm were made in the USA. And this happened way before 2015 as stated above. The 2010 Shinn Fu catalog shows a different side plate image from the original made in USA jacks. The USA made jacks had the wheel axle welded to the frame. The ones shown in 2010 were not welded, instead, one short piece of pipe is welded on each side plate to hold the axle and side plate at 90 degrees. This is the way the Blackhawk 6020 was done and the 6020 was an imported Hein Werner 93642 painted red, exactly the same jack but the axle was not welded.The 6020 in not sold anymore, probably before 2010. The reason I can think for not welding the side plates to the axle is that it makes it easier to ship the plates in a smaller package and easier to assemble the jacks in USA. No more welders needed.

Maybe jacks are like bicycle frames.......there is a certain place in the world that does them really well and they do nearly all of them. Maybe it is one of the few items that is done really well inside global manufacturing. Like microfibers in China, or like dishes used to be, Georgia peaches and Washington apples!

 

[mjoekingz28]

WOW! . It looks real bithchen, guys.

Hello last millenium!

That almost got a lol out of me! Thanks, loved hearing it, last I heard this was when Jeff and Jenn got a zcamaro in the T.V. show.


Love it...really.....not being sarcastic. I miss those classic American touches from yesteryear that seem to be fading with all the new technology and the fast paced Interstate commerce.

 

[mjoekingz28]

Ya mean something like this:

Never seen them before

Wow elroy! Sorry to see him banned, but those zerk caps got a chuckle from me. Years ago when I first started greasing alamites, I went on a quest around town to find them. I think all the shops and parts houses thought I was a loon.

 

[Roberts210]

Got this off Craigslist for $100. Works great so far. 1.5 ton rating. This afternoon I jacked up the front end of my Dodge/Cummins pickup. The Cummins engine by itself weighs a good 1,000 pounds. I jacked up one side of the truck at a time. No bleed down, but each side was only up in the air for 25 min or so.

I like this H-W so much better than my Milwaukee 2-ton jack. That Milwaukee is an old jack, probably made 1950 or so.

 

[123Go]

"Maybe jacks are like bicycle frames.......there is a certain place in the world that does them really well and they do nearly all of them."


May be true? But'
Most welding/painting/riveting/pressing ect.. is all done by robots now days so unless the robot/automated equipment is not setup correctly or runs out of materials during the production process its pretty hard to mess stuff up now. Of course it greatly depends on the quality of materials being used too.

In 1999 just before I retired we had to spend over 80 million in robotic & automatic upgrades in our old plant just to land our first contracts for Toyota.
We even ended up building another new state of the art plant to keep up with all the work we ended up getting from them so it paid off rather quickly.
The fact that our original plant "Windsor Plastics Inc" then, owned by (Guardian Automotive Trim) had been in business from around 1964 and was already a world leader in OEM new automotive trim parts didn't mean **** to Toyota. They just wanted everything automatic and we only had a few robots then so they actually laughed us off on their first tour.

We already had higher quality control standards than any car maker and its why we got to be a top tier parts supplier to begin with. But omg' Toys quality control standards where through the roof compared to ours or any other car maker we had ever seen and we dealt with about all makers from this contenant.

We already made all the decorative parts like grilles both chrome/painted, most chrome trim in/out, head/tailights ,fake wood trim, side moldings/flairs, glass/mirrors ect.. for GM,Ford,Chry, Nissan, Subaru,Isuzu and Honda, even Harley Davidson fairings and trim parts. Even ran or tried to do Benz at one point before I came there because I saw some old MB grilles lying around here & there. Old samples or production idk?
It meant nothing to Toyota.

See' Japan had automated everything decades before that and even though in most cases back then a robot was much slower, it had better consistency, worked for less, rarely missed a day and brought alot less emotional problems to the work place...lol

So' to say monkey's can do a factory job now days rings even much more true than ever as long as its a smart enough chimp that does the actual design & setup to start with.
Sorry, long I'm board as usual and it 12deg here today..My old **** is stay'n in today.
Peace!

Fwiw:
I know Toyota's tool recommendation chart listed Yasui - Norco jacks a few yrs ago to their mechanics but not sure who they suggest now?



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[Roberts210]

Re: Filling Hein Warner Floor Jack model WS

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[Jarhead0408]

I just picked up two of these today at $30 a pop.

 

[bubinga]

I just picked up two of these today at $30 a pop.

I got this HW model K, with 2 big heavy duty stands, for $60.00. The K is a 2 Ton l'm pretty sure. It sure is a sweet jack.


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[bubinga]

Jar head, did the Jacks need work?

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[bubinga]

Anyone (hint hint hiball)know about the adjustment on the release.
(I know I stated I had it worked out, but by that l meant, I understand what's going on)
OK, so what is happening, I have to turn the release about 15 turns out to lower the jack.
(that moves a lever to the left, that lowers the ram.
But the tab that contacts the lever has about a 1/4" gap, before the tab touches the lever, and starts to move the lever.
I'd say about 8 to 10 turns before it starts to move the lever.

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[PatrickM]

Howdy, I just picked this jack up today off of Craigslist. After a quick cleaning, it seems to be operating just fine. The seller claimed that it's never leaked. I think that someone gave it a quick respray some time ago. Any idea what year it is?
Thanks

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[PatrickM]

Well, unfortunately my "new" jack leaks. Seems to work alright, but it does indeed leak. I guess if the replacement seals are available, I am going to disassemble it, clean it all up and rebuild it. Should be fun.

 

[469 runner]

I am addicted to old jacks, nothing new can compare, so I pick up every one I find; they usually all leak. New seals are available for the Hein Werner WS jack. My only advice is to make sure you buy a fresh kit. I made the mistake of buying a couple of NOS kits off e-bay that were hardened from age and would not seal. Ohio Hydraulic in Cincinnatti was where I got my good seals.

 

[PatrickM]

Thanks for the info. It looks pretty straight forward to rebuild. I am sure that I will be back on here referencing this thread and pinging Hiball or one of you guys at some point once I have it mostly disassembled.

Can anyone ballpark the year that my jack would have been built?
1960's?
1970's?
1980's?
-Patrick

 

[ktmracer]

GJ made me do it.




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[Roberts210]

Thanks for the info. It looks pretty straight forward to rebuild. I am sure that I will be back on here referencing this thread and pinging Hiball or one of you guys at some point once I have it mostly disassembled.

Can anyone ballpark the year that my jack would have been built?
1960's?
1970's?
1980's?
-Patrick

I would guess 1960's by the looks of the tag, but Hiball would probably know for sure.

 

[Roberts210]

Well, unfortunately my "new" jack leaks. Seems to work alright, but it does indeed leak. I guess if the replacement seals are available, I am going to disassemble it, clean it all up and rebuild it. Should be fun.

Find out exactly where it leaks. Mine was leaking from the weird fill plug that the previous owner installed. Once that was changed it did just fine. Of course I rebuilt it anyway!

 

[Roberts210]

GJ made me do it.

Naw... you don't want all those rusty, dirty old jacks. I'll be up to Fresno soon and take one off yer hands. No need to thank me.

 

[ktmracer]

Naw... you don't want all those rusty, dirty old jacks. I'll be up to Fresno soon and take one off yer hands. No need to thank me.

Thanks! I really enjoyed learning about these jacks here, from you guys. I had zero of them. And then in October/November, it was raining these things in Fresno. 2 at auctions, for about $40 each. And the last one at a thrift store 2 blocks from work, $20. I thought it was cool they happened to be 3 different models. WS, K, oboy. Which makes me wonder is there yet another model that needs to join the group?


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[Kaelor]

Hi all, I'm new to the forum and new to old floor jacks. I recently picked up a HW model WS 1.5 tons for around $30. I live in Peru and I don´t have much info on this brand here. I started searching online and this seems to be the place to ask about it. I got some questions about the jack, I would really appreciate the help.

1. How old is the jack?
2. How do you remove the handle?
3. How do you bleed the jack?
4. I noticed the jack doesn't go all the way up like the other jacks, please if you would post a pic of a WS jack all the way up it would be great.
5. I also noticed some oil on the bottom of the jack where the cylinder is, is that normal or is it leaking?
6. The jack was not in use for the last 6 months by the PO. The handle was up all the time, could this have anything to do with the leak?

Here is the ad I bought it from.
http://http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.pe/MPE-423056374-gata-lagarto-hidraulico-_JM

 

[469 runner]

1. I can't see the ad in the link. The jack is probably 40-50 years old as these were made up into the 1970's
2. Squeeze the two pins together at base of handle to retract the pivots.
3. Open valve and pump about 10-20 times.
4. Sorry, no pic, jack it probably low on oil.
5. Not normal, should not leak.
6. Probably not.

 

[Kaelor]

1. I can't see the ad in the link. The jack is probably 40-50 years old as these were made up into the 1970's
2. Squeeze the two pins together at base of handle to retract the pivots.
3. Open valve and pump about 10-20 times.
4. Sorry, no pic, jack it probably low on oil.
5. Not normal, should not leak.
6. Probably not.

Ok, I was hitting the pins all weekend with no luck. Only the left side moved, the right side its just stuck. I guess its rusted in place. Gonna try using some clamps.
Which nut is the bleed valve there??

 

[Kaelor]

Howdy, I just picked this jack up today off of Craigslist. After a quick cleaning, it seems to be operating just fine. The seller claimed that it's never leaked. I think that someone gave it a quick respray some time ago. Any idea what year it is?
Thanks

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you know I just saw your picture, mine doesn't go all the way up like yours :/. What kind of oil should I use for the jack? regular hydraulic oil?