Hein Werner vs Masterforce?

[Formerjeeper]

Was planning to get a Masterforce 3 ton jack from Menards but then came across a Hein Werner 93562 new for $350.

This for $229: https://www.menards.com/main/tools-...floor-jack/t830008/p-1555569041912-c-9113.htm

Or this for $350: http://heinwerner-automotive.com/ProductDetails/Hein-WernerAutomotive/3TonServiceJack/HW93652/523

Yea or nay? Worth the difference? DIY use only. Thanks in advance.

 

[Mr_B]

well if you near menards the 3yr warranty easy make use of (drive in return) if needed and the masterforce is preferred seal type model of this asian jack model .
I would hold out for sale/rebate price though and try it in parking lot and if dislike it for any reason exchange if fault or refund if just don't like design/operation .

 

[Speed-Racer]

The design and durability of the Hein Werner has been a favorite and proven to last in shops for decades. Likely the last jack you buy. IMO rebuild kits and any other parts have a better chance of being around in 10-30 years from now, if needed.

 

[Mr_B]

^
I guess depends how much diy use he doing, the asian jack has easy seal sourcing as so many brands are exactly same jack .
I like the saddle of the Werner, other thing some people say on the masterforce is pump handle effort too high but that something you going have test yourself to see if passes your criteria .
Check your lift criteria too as masterforce goes little lower but Werner lifts that little bit higher .

 

[Showkey]

Costco ARCAN 3ton for $159. I own two and 40 year old Hein Werner 1.5 ton.




sure the HF jacks will come up as alternatives as well.
Not sure $229-$350 jacks are all that much different in DIY use/abuse.

Certainly not the first thread on import jacks.

 

[Formerjeeper]

Agree and had decided on the masterforce among the import jacks, but then came across the HW which is made in USA (from US and global materials, whatever that means) and typically $500+.

I saw no real benefit in paying more than double for the HW at full price, but at 100 extra I’d consider it if there is some benefit.

 

[Skin]

Shin-Fu owns HW and manufacturers a fair amount of the components overseas and then does final assembly in the US. The HW is also not a quick rise model which you may care about which means the arm lifts in only 1 or 2 pumps to the lift point so you arent pumping a lot just to load the jack.

At these prices i'd just buy whatever is the smoothest rolling and most convenient. Are you really going to waste time rebuilding a chinese hydraulic ram (its chinese in the HW too) in 10-15 years when you could just buy a new good quality jack for a couple hundred bucks?

 

[plinker]

Napa has some jacks that are pretty reasonable and have been trouble free for me since new (bought around '10-ish). They're frequently on sale around 200-250$. I think H/W (shin-fu) makes these for Napa, no proof other then similar style, but how many places make jacks anymore?

3.5ton I have myself.
https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/NLE7916420?impressionRank=1&keywordInput=nle+7916420

2 ton & 3.5 ton low profile,
https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/NLE7916445?impressionRank=1&keywordInput=7916445
https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/NLE7916440?impressionRank=1&keywordInput=7916440

 

[paulsomlo]

Hein Werner - proven design and kits will be available for a long time.

 

[Skin]

Hein Werner - proven design and kits will be available for a long time.

What kits? Again, the rams are imported. They could just try to sell you a new ram in a decade or two because they're making them for a nickel. Who knows. This isnt your grandfathers HW here.

 

[paulsomlo]

What kits? Again, the rams are imported. They could just try to sell you a new ram in a decade or two because they're making them for a nickel. Who knows. This isnt your grandfathers HW here.

I believe the hydraulic design has been essentially unchanged for maybe 50 years now, or better:
https://www.hcrcnow.com/shop/seal-kits/product/4127

 

[ajchien]

Agree and had decided on the masterforce among the import jacks, but then came across the HW which is made in USA (from US and global materials, whatever that means) and typically $500+.

I saw no real benefit in paying more than double for the HW at full price, but at 100 extra I’d consider it if there is some benefit.

What things do you think are a “benefit”?

There are a lot of differences between the two jacks. One person may put a lot of significance onto one feature, while that same feature would be insignificant to another person.

Off the top of my head (I put a * on my personal preference, I’m sure there are many more differences Not coming to mind)

*HW one piece handle. MM two piece handle with foam bumper.
*HW 35 degree to 0 degree horizontal handle pump stroke MM 90 degree vertical to 0 degree horizontal handle pump stroke.
*HW needle release valve. MM ball release valve.
*HW reservoir vent. MM plug/screw.
HW 4.5” low height. *MM 4” low height.
HW single pump. *MM dual pump rapid lift.
*HW ball-seat working valves. MM cartridge working valves.
*HW larger square metal saddle. MM round rubber covered saddle.
HW ownership and manufacturing a complex mix between Taiwan, USA, and China. MM ownership and manufacturing in China. (No star here to avoid politics)
*HW seal/rebuild kits (248949) found by google at 9 different online vendors on first 2 pages along with brick and mortar HW service centers (2 within 15 miles from me), and HW technical support phone number. MM seal/rebuild kits (T830008.MF) found by google: 1 online vendor along with Menards technical support phone number. Of note, HW rebuild kit contains items to rebuild the ball-valve system, MM kit does not have replacement cartridge valves.
HW 2 year warranty. *MM 3 year warranty.

 

[pepi]

I own that jack, excellent jack, you will not be dissatisfied. They are heavy, the pad is the right size.

That green thing, is a repaint harbor freight.

 

[Steve_P]

I have the HW 93642 and am very happy with it. Mine is 5+ yrs old and I believe all the major components are USA. As said, it's a proven design

 

[brtsvg]

I have the HW 93642 and am very happy with it. Mine is 5+ yrs old and I believe all the major components are USA. As said, it's a proven design

+1 ditto, same situation here, and my comments are same as those noted above.

 

[Oil leak]

Napa has some jacks that are pretty reasonable and have been trouble free for me since new (bought around '10-ish). They're frequently on sale around 200-250$. I think H/W (shin-fu) makes these for Napa, no proof other then similar style, but how many places make jacks anymore?

3.5ton I have myself.
https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/NLE7916420?impressionRank=1&keywordInput=nle+7916420

2 ton & 3.5 ton low profile,
https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/NLE7916445?impressionRank=1&keywordInput=7916445
https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/NLE7916440?impressionRank=1&keywordInput=7916440[/QUOTE

Napa jacks are made by Sunex.

 

[goblue1998]

I walked away from that hein Warner for sale new for about $200. It was cheap because the top half of the handle was missing. I did not buy it because the reviews I found were very poor. I bought the yellow Daytona and have been very happy with it.

 

[metlmunchr]

The jacks HW now sells are the ones originally designed and marketed by Walker. Model numbers have remained the same thru Walker, Lincoln, and now HW. But, FWIW, the jack HW sells as a 3 ton was a 2 ton when sold by Walker and later by Lincoln.

All that said, I've got one of them I bought in 1978, and there's no question it's built as heavy as any other 3 ton jack on the market today.

It's interesting HW apparently bought the rights to the Walker line of jacks rather than bringing back the HW design that was on the market at the time Walker was making jacks. We've got a couple of the original HW's of similar capacity at the shop, and just about any comparison of those jacks to the Walkers will show the Walker to be superior in both design and construction. IMO, the most glaring shortcoming of the old HW's is the riveted attachment of the pad stabilizing arms to the side frames. These rivets invariably get loose over time with normal use and present a serious safety issue. The current owners of the HW name definitely made a good move in choosing to reproduce Walker jacks rather than the HW design.

 

[metaleltr]

2 years ago I worked at a shop that purchased 2 Hein Warner jack while I was there. The both leaked under load from day 1. Relatively small sample size but it really put a bad taste in my mouth towards HW.