Hellfire Pics (Updated)

[kgasaway]

I just completed the application of 2,400 Sq ft of Hellfire. I figured Id share some pictures so anyone looking at the product could see.
This is the Formula 2 version with clear coat.
Application was "easy" however doing 2,400 sq ft BY YOUR SELF was very time consuming.
I used Legacys HD357 etch for floor prep.

First Coat


Second Coat


Third Coat


Final with clear coat


Final with clear coat

 

[casmurbax]

That looks terrific. Nice job

 

[Andy Smith Jr.]

Looks amazing. Great job!

 

[HaiKarate]

Looks great - just don't overcharge a car battery and spill acid on it. Ask me how I know.

 

[LegacyIndustrial]

Nice job!! Thanks for posting!


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[Racy2]

Nice job! Thinking of doing the same with a few flakes.

 

[Bears Fan]

That's awesome! You can come over and do mine now

 

[justnutsandbolts]

What time of the day did you start applying?
How long did you wait in between all the coats?


I am about to do 1000 sqft (700 detached shop + 300 attached house garage) in NJ, very close to Philadelphia.... We are having a strange weather (~70 degrees mid day) for November.

I bought the 1100-1200 kit.
I plan to do 4 coats + 2 clear coat in the shop
2 coats + 1 clear in the garage

Material is supposed to arrive today.
Waiting on a call from Scotty at the moment on when to start applying.

Humidity levels are very high overnight (90+) and into the morning, drop to about 40-50% during the day. The shop is well insulated and inside is about 50% humidity in the morning and later drop to about 35-40%.

I have all my stuff under a tarp outside and the whole tarp has condensation on it until about 11am drying off with the sun. Rain is coming on Wednesday so I want to apply in the shop tomorrow (Tuesday)

I want to know what is the best condition for me to start applying this stuff. I dont mind waking up in the middle of the night to start working.

The slab is prepped with 30 grit diamond. Soft concrete, lots of holes, patched most big holes.

Slab moisture meter reads 12-15% throughout the day.

 

[LegacyIndustrial]

We talked, you are in good shape

 

[kgasaway]

9 Month Update...

around the March timeframe I started getting a few dark spots as seen by the following...

I contacted legacy and was told they have not seen anything like this and that they thought it was caused by moisture coming from under the slab.
It very well could be, the contractor didn’t use any barriers underneath.

6 months later, this is what I have...



I am not a coating nor concrete expert, but my thoughts would be if it is moisture causing this, then the coating would start peeling up. I have parked my Motorhome, sticky tired race cars, trailers, and regular vehicles and have not had one area where it has peeled up. It appears to just be discoloration, from under the clear coat.

The saw cuts all appear to be okay, which I figured would be the first area to have a moisture issue, but again, I am not a concrete expert.

This isn’t meant to bash legacy, just to inform anyone considering Hellfire of my experiences.

Any thoughts on this?

 

[toreadorxlt]

I wonder if its an adverse reaction to the etch?

 

[sick467]

The areas along the saw cuts seemed to have held the color pretty good. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the saw cuts allow the concrete to stay more dry and that the remainder of the floor as discolored due to a higher level of moisture from below. The saw cuts maybe allowing the adjacent areas to dry out due to the lack of sealing in the cut.

If it is any consolation...I like the patina'd look it has developed! Let's just hope it does not peel on you.

 

[Imatk]

Yikes! Did you do the moisture test with the square before hand?

If it was me, I'd probably hand grind a square somewhere out of the way in a corner or something to get down to concrete and do that test. Then you'll know for sure if there's a moisture issue.

 

[kgasaway]

I wonder if its an adverse reaction to the etch?

That is possible, I did use the etch from legacy that they recommended, rinsed very well, and allowed to dry for 10 days.

Yikes! Did you do the moisture test with the square before hand?

If it was me, I'd probably hand grind a square somewhere out of the way in a corner or something to get down to concrete and do that test. Then you'll know for sure if there's a moisture issue.

I did not do the moisture test, at this point I plan to do nothing unless it starts peeling. There is no vapor barrier underneath, so if there is moisture present then I suppose there's not much I can do about it.

 

[LegacyIndustrial]

Those joints tell the story, as Sick467 mentioned, the moisture is free to escape without issue and therefore not discoloring there.
Moisture does not automatically kill the connection between slab and substrate. Discoloration could be the only issue.

 

[mike93lx]

I wonder if the discoloration will eventually reach the joints. Either way, it's better than random spotting. Almost looks intentional

 

[Black300zx]

I wonder if the discoloration will eventually reach the joints. Either way, it's better than random spotting. Almost looks intentional

I'm sure the OP is sick to his stomach with how it looks given how much effort he put in, and how great it looked when new (I know I would be), but I do admit it does have a "clean but well used, polished concrete" look to it at first glance.

Might be a good PSA for potential customers to make them aware that discoloration can happen if moisture is coming through the slab.

 

[mike93lx]

I'm sure the OP is sick to his stomach with how it looks given how much effort he put in, and how great it looked when new (I know I would be), but I do admit it does have a "clean but well used, polished concrete" look to it at first glance.

Might be a good PSA for potential customers to make them aware that discoloration can happen if moisture is coming through the slab.

No question, it isn't what he wanted. Just trying to look at the brighter side, as he doesn't want to redo it (and neither would I)

 

[gatewaysysop]

I've honestly lost count the number of threads like this that make me appreciate having plain old concrete floors in my garage. Never mind the money or time down the *******, but just having to look at that stuff, especially in a new build, would infuriate me and take all the joy out of the shop.

I love the look and don't deny the benefits of all these floor coatings, but I just can't get past all the horror stories. Just my $.02 though.

 

[Black300zx]

No question, it isn't what he wanted. Just trying to look at the brighter side, as he doesn't want to redo it (and neither would I)

I was trying to reinforce your viewpoint