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i needed to tig up something that was made of mild steel this past weekend. i used the same TIG machine that i do all of my aluminum welding with, and the same helmet that I TIG and MIG with. 90% of the time with TIG I am welding aluminum and my helmet works as it should, but when I switch the machine to DC to weld steel, the autodarkening on my helmet flashes in and out

is there something special i need for my helmet so that i can TIG on DC without melting away my eyes?

helmet is a Tweco

http://victortechnologies.com/tweco/products/detailProduct.html?prodID=41001001

machine is an Eastwood TIG 200
 
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They make helmets just for tig. I think regular helmets have trouble sensing the arc when tig welding some times.

it has 4 sensors and shade adjustment 9-13, which i know is adiquate for TIG, but why would DC flash me, but AC is just fine?
 
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i have adjusted sensitivity both high and low, and even jumped back to AC on some aluminum just to make sure the helmet was okay and all was working as normal on AC
 

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What amp range?

For AC on aluminum I'm guessing you're using a higher amp range than you do with DC on steel.
 

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I've used both Jackson and Thermal Arc auto darken helmets, but never really could see the puddle. These were about $100 and $150 helmets. I've also had issue with them with my new(er) Tig welder. It uses a pulse feature to regulate heat and this was causing me to get flashed by the other helmets. Recently picked up a Miller Digital Elite for 249. Worth every penny. I can see the puddle, and see the perimeter of the plug weld hole I'm filling. Couldn't with the other two. It has welding mode, cutting mode, grinding mode, in varying darkness settings for each. The new Miller works flawlessly. I might be able to weld something now that I can see what I'm doing. :tard:


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i range anywhere from 50amps to 200amps on AC depending on the thickness of the material and never need to mess with helmet settings. on DC, i think i put the pedal at 120amps and feathered it till i got the desired puddle...when i could actually see the damn thing
 
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I've used both Jackson and Thermal Arc auto darken helmets, but never really could see the puddle. These were about $100 and $150 helmets. I've also had issue with them with my new(er) Tig welder. It uses a pulse feature to regulate heat and this was causing me to get flashed by the other helmets. Recently picked up a Miller Digital Elite for 249. Worth every penny. I can see the puddle, and see the perimeter of the plug weld hole I'm filling. Couldn't with the other two. It has welding mode, cutting mode, grinding mode, in varying darkness settings for each. The new Miller works flawlessly. I might be able to weld something now that I can see what I'm doing. :tard:

i can see the puddle great with mine on MIG and AC TIG, and sometimes on DC TIG when it does go dark...i got it from Three Mules in Mechanicsville
 

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I have an Elite and run into it on low amps. It usually happens when I start the arc by slowly pressing the pedal. Many times the cup, workpiece or my hand partially block the light easily on the low amps.

Adjusting the sensitivity will fix it, but then the glare from natural light sets it off.

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Don't know if it as one, but have you checked the bateries? I had the same problem and that was the cause...
 
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Ill have to try it again at high sensitivity and see what it does

There are no batteries, its solar powered. Worked fine for all other welding that same day...ill get back out into the garage in the next few days and report back if the sensitivity is the culprit. Otherwise ill have to see what the local welding shop I bought it from has to say

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Ill have to try it again at high sensitivity and see what it does

There are no batteries, its solar powered. Worked fine for all other welding that same day...ill get back out into the garage in the next few days and report back if the sensitivity is the culprit. Otherwise ill have to see what the local welding shop I bought it from has to say

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I know you say it has no battery but I bet there is a 3.7v lithium-ion cell soldered on the circuit board somewhere that the solar cells charge. The LI-ON battery maybe failing. You may be able to replace it with a little soldering if its not potted (circuit board cased in epoxy or like) Take it apart find the battery after you find it use the battery part number and hunt for one online.
 
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As I said before, it works doing every other kind of welding...if it were failing, I would be getting flashed no matter what kind of welding I'm doing...I should be welding most all day Friday, so ill report back then

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As I said before, it works doing every other kind of welding...if it were failing, I would be getting flashed no matter what kind of welding I'm doing...I should be welding most all day Friday, so ill report back then

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"if it were failing, I would be getting flashed no matter what kind of welding I'm doing"
- sorry but not true

Aluminum is more reflective than steel (most of the time) so more light from the arc is getting to the solar cells. With MIG the wire stick out and your position allows again more light to the solar cells. The solar cells produces power for the auto lens and extra is used to maintain/charge the battery. Power from the battery is used when there is not enough light to produce enough power for the auto lens such as welding with low amps or when the solar cells do not receive enough light. So the battery is the backup power supply for when the solar cells are not producing enough power.

Make sense? I'm not saying that is the problem, but could be the problem. With what your saying what its doing that is where I would be checking into first as well the condition of the solar cells, if damaged, foggy/cloudy or fume film/dirty could also cause the problem your having.
 
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Couldn't tell ya exactly, the DC could be just slightly less bright, lens could be a little dirty, hell my old helmet just quit working for me all together after about 10 years.

good tig helmet ---> http://store.cyberweld.com/jabasaaudawe.html

I would second a Jackson Balder. I have the one up from this, the WH70. Amazing clarity, as clear, if not clearer than my gold passive lens. Nice headgear. 5 amp tig rated. 5 year warranty. Can't recommend it enough. I would have bought the one above but I got the $100 rebate so the price on the WH70 worked out to be $130 from Amazon.

No grind setting but you can grind and oxy/acetylene weld if you turn down the sensitivity.

Check Amazon pricing.
 
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I've used both Jackson and Thermal Arc auto darken helmets, but never really could see the puddle. These were about $100 and $150 helmets. I've also had issue with them with my new(er) Tig welder. It uses a pulse feature to regulate heat and this was causing me to get flashed by the other helmets. Recently picked up a Miller Digital Elite for 249. Worth every penny. I can see the puddle, and see the perimeter of the plug weld hole I'm filling. Couldn't with the other two. It has welding mode, cutting mode, grinding mode, in varying darkness settings for each. The new Miller works flawlessly. I might be able to weld something now that I can see what I'm doing. :tard:


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The cream rises again, you get what you pay for with helmets. I use a Speedglas but if it goes south I sure would look hard at the Miller. BTW I always thought you welded just fine....
 
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You usually get what you pay for, but not always.

≈$88 when I posted it. Screamin' good deal.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BFJLRD4/?tag=atomicindus08-20

I will look for a good price on a high quality piece. Screaming good deal and high quality is an oxymoron, fools gold. Want a screaming good deal to blab about on some forum. Look at me I got/found a screaming good deal, please be my guest.

I seriously doubt you're screaming good deal could hold a candle to the Miller or Speedglas helmets. :thumbup:
 

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I will look for a good price on a high quality piece. Screaming good deal and high quality is an oxymoron, fools gold. Want a screaming good deal to blab about on some forum. Look at me I got/found a screaming good deal, please be my guest.

I seriously doubt you're screaming good deal could hold a candle to the Miller or Speedglas helmets. :thumbup:
As far as optical clarity/optical quality is concerned your over priced helmets will be lacking in comparison to the Jackson Balder helmets. The Jacksons have great head gear as well. The pricey helmets your a fan of have few more features sure, but are in no way better optically, in build quality, comfort or warranty.
 
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Just so you know, you are not getting flashed and you will not damage your eyes. The lense is a band-pass filter, whether it darkens or not, no harmful rays are hitting your eyes. I used to work for Jackson Products, the good 3 in 1 or nexgen's could be adjusted for sensitivity.
 

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hi, hope by this time you solved your problem

i had a flashing problem with an esab origo pos that i used for tig and stick until it started acting up, i don`t know if its out of politeness to mention a thread on other site but you can check what i did with my hood in a thread on weldingtipsandtricks (search by the same username)

hope i didn`t break any rules from this forum if i did sorry guys

i must also say that i`m mainly welding very thin stainless using 15-20 amps and now use only a fixed lens helmet and see the weld much much better. maybe it`s because i haven`t tested a really expensive lens but they seem to me to eat some of the definition i need to see the edges and puddle

i`m using hf start so i rest the tungsten on the piece, flip the hood, raise the tungsten hit the hf and go.

note: now the helmet works but it has become a conversation piece only, i don`t trust it anymore and don`t use it

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hi, hope by this time you solved your problem

i had a flashing problem with an esab origo pos that i used for tig and stick until it started acting up, i don`t know if its out of politeness to mention a thread on other site but you can check what i did with my hood in a thread on weldingtipsandtricks (search by the same username)

i must also say that i`m mainly welding very thin stainless using 15-20 amps and now use only a fixed lens helmet and see the weld much much better. maybe it`s because i haven`t tested a really expensive lens but they seem to me to eat some of the definition i need to see the edges and puddle

pete

Here is a direct link to your fix:

http://forum.weldingtipsandtricks.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3321&p=19888&hilit=penca#p19837


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I've used both Jackson and Thermal Arc auto darken helmets, but never really could see the puddle. These were about $100 and $150 helmets. I've also had issue with them with my new(er) Tig welder. It uses a pulse feature to regulate heat and this was causing me to get flashed by the other helmets. Recently picked up a Miller Digital Elite for 249. Worth every penny. I can see the puddle, and see the perimeter of the plug weld hole I'm filling. Couldn't with the other two. It has welding mode, cutting mode, grinding mode, in varying darkness settings for each. The new Miller works flawlessly. I might be able to weld something now that I can see what I'm doing. :tard:


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I bought 2 Miller Elite hoods this past year. One for home, and one for work. I'm very happy with them. I use them on Tig, Mig, and stick.

Joe
 

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Have you had any trouble with the hood "creeping" down when you have it up? Mine does that. If I tighten up enough to keep it up, it is hard to "nod" it down.
 
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so i got back out there this weekend and turned the sensitivity all the way up, still the same. i turned the amps down enough on the pedal so that i could just start the arc at full pedal and adjust the helmet while i am just sitting in one spot. it got dull, then bright, then dull again, then bright again, its really annoying...so i got out a piece of scrap aluminum, flipped it to AC, and as usual, no problems
 

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That's the same issues I was having with my Jackson. I'm pretty sure it was the tig's pulse feature causing it, but the new Miller has no problems with it.
 
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My tig machine doesn't have pulse...I might try to call Eastwood this afternoon and see what they say

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May want to open up the front and clean the sensors with some dry, soft Q-tips? I can see the AC/alum welding being brighter, and the DC/steel not so much, but given that you would think it would have the same issue with Mig .
 
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its almost as if the DC arc isnt enough to full darken the hood, but i've also done long beads on MIG with no issue...however maybe that has something to do with the sparks flying that get closer to the lens than the arc itself??? this is frustrating

MP&C, i also just now noticed that on your Mille Elite, your sensor is at the bottom of the screen where mine is at the top. i would see this being beneficial to allowing in more light being both closer to the work piece, and to be less blocked by your hands cutting out some of the light over the work piece...might need to invest in a new TIG helmet
 
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i'm using red tungsten right now on everything and am awaiting for my blue Lanthanated tungsten to arrive. maybe i'll get lucky and that will solve my problems
 
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finally ponied up and sent Tweco an email discussing my problem. 2 or 3 hours later they call me and say they already know this is a problem but they dont have a fix for it, nor do they know if they will pursue to do so...i like the customer service to get back to me quickly and be straight forward, but how are you just going to not pursue the issue??? might just have to find a cheap helmet just for doing low amp DC TIG welding

luckily, most of the mild steel welding i do is with MIG. i haven't touched stainless in a while, and last i remember it works fine, so i hope that is still the case
 

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its almost as if the DC arc isnt enough to full darken the hood, but i've also done long beads on MIG with no issue...however maybe that has something to do with the sparks flying that get closer to the lens than the arc itself??? this is frustrating

MP&C, i also just now noticed that on your Mille Elite, your sensor is at the bottom of the screen where mine is at the top. i would see this being beneficial to allowing in more light being both closer to the work piece, and to be less blocked by your hands cutting out some of the light over the work piece...might need to invest in a new TIG helmet

That is a group of solar cells for charging I'm sure your seeing and talking about. There are four sensors on the Miller Elite two on top each corner two on the bottom above the solar cells. :headscrat Huh, Miller Elite has batteries and solar cells for charging that is strange wonder why?

Sparks from grinding trigger my hood to darken and the sensitivity is not cranked up. So I don't think that is your problem.

i'm using red tungsten right now on everything and am awaiting for my blue Lanthanated tungsten to arrive. maybe i'll get lucky and that will solve my problems

FYI what type of tungsten has nothing to do with your auto hood problem, but what do I know? :dunno: I'm just another stupid welder:D that has been welding for over half my life that knows nothing about auto hoods and a little about welding :tard: Wait I'm not the only one that has mentioned dirty or battery guess there stupid too DOH :Dj/k

I'm willing to bet Tweco knows what the cause of the problem is, they just not saying, playing dumb, **** like that BS or just too smart to figure it out lol. Tid bit here Miller knows whats up they made it so you can change the darn LI-ion batteries. Why you may ask, the batteries can only be charged and discharged so many times before they start to fail. I have the Miller Elite as well, guess how I know when I have to change them:rolleyes::D Just letting you know some more why I think its those darn batteries Tweco buried in your auto hood.

Onto the tungsten

Thoriated(red 2%) tungsten on aluminum hmm :headscrat

Lanthanated tungsten (blue 2% or gold 1.5%) good choice:thumbup:, can be used on steels and aluminum no worries no mix ups with other tungsten:) Cost a bit more tho but worth it IMO. Also FYI with lanthanated(blue 2% or gold 1.5%) tungsten does not ball up like pure tungsten(green) does takes more heat if you want that balled end. If you contaminate the end it is hard to get a clean break, it tends to splinter the end of the remaining tungsten. I just take the time and grind the bad end off, no wasting tungsten that way.

Another one I like is Zirconiated (white) Tungsten same thing here it does not ball up like pure tungsten(green) does, takes more heat.

May want to open up the front and clean the sensors with some dry, soft Q-tips? I can see the AC/alum welding being brighter, and the DC/steel not so much, but given that you would think it would have the same issue with Mig .

Mentioned cleaning in a earlier post but guessing OP may be ignoring that suggestion like the battery one:dunno:

But with GMAW (MIG) the position is different your not as close to the puddle with your hood as with GTAW, the solar cells are getting enough light to power the lens but they don't get occasionally blocked like when GTAW. The reason I think this is when I GTAW with some jobs I can accidentally block all the sensors from the arc so I must be blocking the solar cells as well. This is what I think is happening when the OP gets flashed now and again when GTAW DC mild steel and not with GTAW AC is the arc refection off the aluminum. If I'm right GTAW DC stainless shouldn't lead to flashing if its just as or more reflective as the aluminum the OP welded.

This is one reason Miller came up with X-Mode to sense the electromagnetic interference to trigger the hood to darken. Miller Elites don't have this feature but Miller digital Elites do.



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its almost as if the DC arc isnt enough to full darken the hood, but i've also done long beads on MIG with no issue...however maybe that has something to do with the sparks flying that get closer to the lens than the arc itself??? this is frustrating

MP&C, i also just now noticed that on your Mille Elite, your sensor is at the bottom of the screen where mine is at the top. i would see this being beneficial to allowing in more light being both closer to the work piece, and to be less blocked by your hands cutting out some of the light over the work piece...might need to invest in a new TIG helmet

Your hood has four sensors this is from the web page you posted the link:

Tweco WeldSkill Auto-Darkening Helmet

The new Tweco® WeldSkill auto-darkening welding helmet provides enhanced performance with 4 arc sensors at an affordable price. It offers operator comfort due to its lightweight construction and versatility. With superior performance, durability and flexibility, Tweco WeldSkill helmets offer exceptional value in personal welding protection.
Part Number: 41001001



• Enhanced performance
Four arc sensors for high response


• Auto-darkening
Automatically turns from light to dark and dark to light

• Lightweight
For optimum comfort,16 oz (450 grams)

• Variable shade
Adjustable welding shade levels from 9 to 13

• Light shade DIN level
Level shade 4

• UV/IR Protection
Level shade 16 (DIN)

• “Sensitivity” control range
Low to high

• Responsive lens switching speed
up to 1/30,000 sec (33 microseconds)

• “Delay” adjustable controls
Selection for switching speed: “short” = 0.25s to 0.35s “medium” = 0.35s to 0.50s “long” = 0.50s to 0.80s

• “Welding” or “Grinding”
Selection for process mode

• Large viewing area
3.86" x 1.69" (98 mm x 43 mm)
• Solar-powered
So you don’t have to worry about changing batteries

• Affordable
Value-priced

• Certified
ANSI Z87.1, CE EN 379 and EN 175

• Support
Backed by Tweco support, quality, reliability, and 2-year warranty


I circled the four sensors.
 

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my garage is over an hour away from my house till my garage is built, so I couldn't immediately do anything that has been suggested...the helmet DOES NOT have a battery in it. I emailed the company who knows of the issue and has no fix for it, so I guess I am screwed for welding mild steel with low amp DC

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my garage is over an hour away from my house till my garage is built, so I couldn't immediately do anything that has been suggested...the helmet DOES NOT have a battery in it. I emailed the company who knows of the issue and has no fix for it, so I guess I am screwed for welding mild steel with low amp DC

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Then thats the problem the lens is not getting enough power at times. Its piss poor design and fooking stupid not to have one.

Did they say no batteries at all or no batteries that can be replace? Don't go off what the specs online say.

This doesn't mean there is no battery inside of it:
• Solar-powered
So you don’t have to worry about changing batteries



I still believe it has li-ion battery.

Thoughts have changed - Post #41
 
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MP&C, i also just now noticed that on your Mille Elite, your sensor is at the bottom of the screen where mine is at the top. i would see this being beneficial to allowing in more light being both closer to the work piece, and to be less blocked by your hands cutting out some of the light over the work piece...might need to invest in a new TIG helmet

If your existing lid does only have 2 sensors above the window going to one with 4 sensors, incl 2 below the window should help. I had exactly the same problem when I got a TIG recently, the old ESAB helmet that had worked fine with the old stick welder became finicky on med- low amps DC TIG.

I got a basic mid priced replacement with 4 sensors, adjustable sensitivity & a big window & it's been great. The big window is real nice to have if you can spare a few more $ & I suspect the bigger window results in the lower sensors being lower again to better see the arc under the TIG cup.

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