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car-nut

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I have a 36x28 garage with 10' high ceilings. The inside of the garage is going to be finished this spring. I am trying to decide on lights.

What are you guys using? Would you use surface mount or flush mounted? 2 or 4 bulb? 4' or 8'?? And how many lights would you install??? Where would you buy them from,Home Depot-Lowes or a lighting warehouse?? I work on cars and want it nice and bright.


Any sugestions would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Here's my shop during construction. It's 30x50, with 11' ceilings. I've had this up for two years and today I noticed my first bulb burn out. Plenty of light, have two 8' lights mounted on the wall so when I get my lift (some day) I'll have some lighting under the car.
 

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Dual tube 8 foot HO florescent fixtures are a good bang for the buck and would work well with 10 foot ceilings. I have a shop with 10 foot 6 ceilings and am using F96T12 bulbs in 110 watt each driven by electronic ballasts. No hum or buzz and fire even when cold. They fire right up but take a min or two to come up from about 80% to 100% brightness when it is real cold. 24X30 main shop area using 6 dual tube fixtures and there is plenty of light and little shadow.
 

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I used shoplights. Big mistake. About half of them failed within a couple of months and the light was so so. I have been replacing them one for one with 8 foot two tube units as funds allow.
 

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Actually I have had pretty good luck with my 4ft shoplights. I like them better because you can arrange them for better coverage and you can go anywhere and get bulbs. Would check and make sure that you got units that will work in cold weather if you don't heat your garage thought. Also might look at the T8 bulbs. At work they put units in with them and they light up pretty good.
 

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i have a 34x30 w/10' ceilings......i'm using the high voltage 8' from lowes (quiet and don't flicker near as bad on a cold day) i'm using 4 on one half of the garge and i haven't bought the other 4 for the other half....the four that i have hooked up easily provide more than adequate lighting.....actually, 6 total would probably do it but i like to over-kill things.....the initial cost is a little more but well worth it when i go to my buddy's garages and the lights hmmm badly and flicker real badly when you for kick them on

i wouldn't have done it any other way, looking back..
 

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Vicegrip said:
Dual tube 8 foot HO florescent fixtures are a good bang for the buck and would work well with 10 foot ceilings. I have a shop with 10 foot 6 ceilings and am using F96T12 bulbs in 110 watt each driven by electronic ballasts. No hum or buzz and fire even when cold. They fire right up but take a min or two to come up from about 80% to 100% brightness when it is real cold. 24X30 main shop area using 6 dual tube fixtures and there is plenty of light and little shadow.
Good to see you on here Kurt, i'm shopping for lights myself now, can't find any 8' that I like the looks of and are in my price range, I'll just end up ganging up some 4' fixtures, I think 9-10 dual tube 4' will work for my space.
 

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I personally like the 2x4' fixtures for flexibility and ability to easily transport both fixtures and bulbs.

I have 12' ceilings in an unheated space, and I ended up with T-8 fixtures (4 footers) from Home Depot. They're sold under the house brand Commercial Electric. They are minimalist - it's pretty close to no reflector, just bulbs - but I'm happy with price and lack of noise. They are available in painted white and stainless steel, I went with the stainless for $16 each. The last HD I was in had them on sale for $10 each.

The main thing missing from my Lithonia lights was the positive rotating ring that locks the bulbs in place. But for 1/3 the price I'm satisfied.

Mike
 

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I just purchased and installed lights in my 30x48 shop. I did some research on lumen output and decided to go with the 8' 2 lamp HO 110w flourscent strip fixtures and I am very happy with them. They put out about 17,200 lumens compared to about 10,600 for a standard 60w fixture. The fixtures cost $55.00 each and the bulbs averaged $6.00 each at the HD. I installed a total of 8 and it is very nice light without any shadows.
 

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I went to the local lighting and electrical supply store. They stock a line of lights to compete with the big box stores. The prices are the same as Home Depot, and the quality is (supposedly) higher.

I bought the 8-foot units that utilize four 4-foot bulbs and electronic ballasts. In my 30x48 I installed four rows of 5 fixtures, with each row on its own switch. I damn near need sunglasses when they are all lit.
 

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I was trying for the "most bang for the buck" as vicegrip said. When I started checking lumen output it seemed like it would take 2 fixtures to equal one HO. Plus the added wire and bulbs to change. I have have them set at about 12' up and have not finished my interior wall covering yet so I think the additional white surface will help even more. And the other nice thing is that they operate in the cold, I think it was -20 or something. Most standard fixtures are rated for around 40 degress to start at. The only thing I may add in the future when the shop is done and laid out will be using a 4' fixture right above the work bench for added light when disassembling and working with small parts.
 

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i have a 32 x 48 with 12 foot ceiling. i have installed 10 4 ft fixtures with f8 bulbs and cold start. after doing research on this web site i found that this was the best option. they give off plenty of light. when i fininsh the inside i will paint walls white which should make it even brighter.
 

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My 24x32 shop has a total of 6 fixtures. I've attached a photo to show what it looks like....
The center two that are parallel to the bays are F96T12HO fixtures while the ones on the end are F72T12HO fixtures. Not seen are two more fixtures on the opposite end and are actually above the overhead doors when they are open. I rarely have the doors open, so I don't have a concern about the doors blocking the light. All fixtures are electronic ballast. Combined with the white ceiling and walls, there is plenty of light with no dark corners. They operate off of two switches, one for each bay.

Hope this helps,

Steve
 

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Thanks for all the help guys. You have definately given me a few ideas. Now I need to wade through all your ideas and make a plan for myself.

Steve.......Love the looks of the Willys. Is that a Outlaw body? I like the front end. What are your plans for it???????
 

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'stang and car-nut,

The Willys is an Outlaw body and chassis. I picked it up at their shop in PA. and the wooden wheels made it easy to roll around. I used them till I got my wheels and tires. Wheels are E-T "Gasser" in front and "Five-Window" in back. The motor is a blown 392 Chrysler hemi which I recently finished and got running. It will be a street driven rod for the most part. Now comes the chassis work. No complaints about Outlaw....good stuff.
Here's a few more pics.

Good luck with your lighting...

Steve
 

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I have a 36x28 garage with 10' high ceilings. The inside of the garage is going to be finished this spring. I am trying to decide on lights.

What are you guys using? Would you use surface mount or flush mounted? 2 or 4 bulb? 4' or 8'?? And how many lights would you install??? Where would you buy them from,Home Depot-Lowes or a lighting warehouse?? I work on cars and want it nice and bright.


Any sugestions would be greatly appreciated.

Hey Car Nut...I'm getting ready to put some lights up in my 26x36 with 10 foot walls. What did you end up using?
 

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I had much the same question a couple of weeks ago. I've got a 20ish by 20ish space with a 10' ceiling. I wound up going with 4' fixtures from Home Desperate. They were from Lithonia, electric balast with T-8 bulbs. I REALLY like it bright, so I put up 14 of the fixtures, 2 rows of 5 each in the front and middle of the bay and 2 each on either side of the garage door for better light when the door is up.

Not bad for $25 each.
 

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Where can we get "designer" looking fixtures for 8' t5's?

Its a 16.5' ceiling, and I'm thinking we'll hang the t5 fixtures about 5' down from the ceiling. We'll probably need ~20 8' fixtures. and a dozen or so 4' fixtures.

Thanks
 

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They were from Lithonia, electric balast with T-8 bulbs. I REALLY like it bright, so I put up 14 of the fixtures, 2 rows of 5 each in the front and middle of the bay and 2 each on either side of the garage door for better light when the door is up.

14! my garage is a similar size and i thought it was bright enough with 8 fixtures. :eyecrazy:
 

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I ended up using 12 two bulb 4' T8 fixtures in my 22' x 36' space. Each bay has it's own switch for 4 fixtures so that I don't have to have them all on at the same time. Very bright when they are all on. Bulbs seem to last for about 12-18 months.
 

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While I have to agree that, on paper, 2 tube 8 footers give the most bang for the buck, I went with el cheapo 2 tube 4 footers from the local big box.
Reasoning?
They are cheap. (Do get the ones with a reflector to aim most of the light down.)
Most big box’s have a little, if any, questions asked return policy in case the fixture goes bad. (I do keep a special file for these kind of receipts.)
4 foot tubes are easy to get late on a Sunday night if you need them.
4 foot tubes are often a sale item. That makes them even cheaper.
I like to use a mix of bulbs and tubes to avoid strobe effect that the woodworking guys are afraid of. It makes a table saw blade look like it is standing still when it is running. This is real important if you ware earmuffs or like loud tunes and cannot hear the saw running.
Tubes on a cord are real easy to move around if your first guess on placement wasn’t quite right. A “J” hook and a chain are pretty easy to put where you want. I plug them into the bulb fixtures with an outlet built in. This makes them come on with the bulbs to make sure I don’t have the above problem, and lets me move them if I want.
4 foot tubes are so common there are no questions asked about them. I once had a trash guy refuse to take some bad 8 footers. They were “hasmat”. He laid them out real careful on the lawn and his office called to explain why he didn’t take them. Of course they didn’t know about the plastic bag full of broken glass in the can the next week, but why set yourself up for the problem?
Sometimes pretty has to make way for practical.
 

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how many 2 bulb 4 footers could you run off from one 10 amp breaker?

I hope you mean 15 amp or 20 amp. Don't think they even make 10 amp breakers for most panelboards.

You need the amperage off the data plate on the fixture, add up all the amps for the fixtures you want to run. Lighting is considered a continuous load, and you cannot exceed 80% of the breakers capacity, so that would be 12 amps on a 15 amp breaker, and 16 amps on a 20 amp breaker, Do not attempt to add up the wattages and do the math to get amps, it doesn't work with induction loads like fluorescent lights.

Charles
 

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I just picked up 11 Lithonia T8 2bulb 4' units from HD for $31 each. A bit more expensive bu a very clean look.

http://www.lithonia.com/Products/Fa...urface Commercials&SubCategory=Wraparounds#SB

I wanted the "Basket Wrapped" units that are low profile, white end plates and a plastic diffuser for the sides / and face. I also have about a 20' x 20' 2 bay with 11' 3" ceilings. I am going with 3 rows of 3 each with about 1' between each one, and then on a separate circuit two units perpendicular 3' from the rear wall over my "shop area". I was going to use three, but went with two so I can put a fan in between them.

I was planning on getting the T8 32 watt 6500K bulbs. Are these going to be too harsh or are the regular bright white better?
Adam
 
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