HELP!! Daughter's engine busted on 2001 Honda CRV SE on Easter

[drivesitfar]

my son in law comes up to me on Easter at my Sister's house and asked me to look at his car since I've owned 5 Honda CRV and still own a couple. i'm not a mechanic, but it didn't seem right because engine was moving more than i can ever remember mine doing.

he said he didn't know how long that was going on because it is his wife's (my 25 year old daughter's) car. he was planning on coming down this week to my house so i told him I would take it to the mechanic i use and he could drive home my car.

well on their way home they heard a pop in the engine and instead of pulling over ran it about 4 miles until the car died on the freeway. my daughter has towing insurance so car was towed to my mechanics garage.

sorry for the long drawn out story, but after a half a day and only a $75 charge from the mechanic he found the sheared off bolt from probably an over or under tightened timing belt change when my daughter dated a different guy and took it to his mechanic instead of mine. the timing belt slipped off and since my son in law didn't know better i'm pretty sure there is major damage, but not sure.

long story short the engine is now trashed or not running without major repairs, and my mechanic isn't able to buy or put a used or new one in. anybody have time or an engine and want to fix this, or good ideas or sources i can use? She just made her last payment after 7 years of owning it and also just paid for the tabs for next year. i feel terrible for her and my son in law and i'm not a mechanic.

yes she should have come to me sooner and said something, but even good kids don't always do the right thing.

HELP!!!! if this isn't the right place to post this please let me know where would be.

 

[AndrewH]

If you weren't on the other side of the country and had a replacement engine I'd do it for you. Hopefully you're able to find someone!

 

[drivesitfar]

i'd probably be able to send you home with at least one 6 inch vise if you could. thanks for the offer. any ideas where to get an engine because these little cars or suv's are good for a lot of miles?

 

[Tarheelgarage]

i'd probably be able to send you home with at least one 6 inch vise if you could. thanks for the offer. any ideas where to get an engine because these little cars or suv's are good for a lot of miles?

Our shop gets used engines from a reputable salvage yard.
Check out car-part.com in your area.

If you were down here in NC I'd do an engine swap for ya in my home shop...

 

[Ncognito]

...and my mechanic isn't able to buy or put a used or new one in.

Why not?

 

[drivesitfar]

Thanks for the tip Tarheel. by the way the location of the 2001 Honda CRV SE is in South Seattle just west of Seatac airport.

I do have a hitch on my Honda Pilot so i could probably rent a UHaul and get the car to your garage if you need me to.

NC: he is almost 70 and sold all his tools for that kind of work. he still likes doing the basic stuff though and i'm loyal so it went to him first to check it out.

 

[ncautoshop]

Our shop gets used engines from a reputable salvage yard.
Check out car-part.com in your area.

If you were down here in NC I'd do an engine swap for ya in my home shop...

Matlocks?

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[Ncognito]

NC: he is almost 70 and sold all his tools for that kind of work. he still likes doing the basic stuff though and i'm loyal so it went to him first to check it out.

Oh ok. It just sounded like a strange statement to me. I admire the loyalty you show to your longtime technician. I hope that I still enjoy working on vehicles when I'm 70.

Did he have any recommendations for anyone local?

 

[Ncognito]

Matlocks?

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Between Fancy Gap and Hillsville?

 

[Tarheelgarage]

Matlocks?

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out of Cleveland,NC

 

[drivesitfar]

he gave me a few websites to check out for engines that also has recommended mechanics, but I thought i'd see if a GJ member was local or could recommend someone since it sounds like no big deal to some of you.

my daughter is just hoping for a fair deal and a dependable car which i thought i helped her buy 7 years ago.

here is the sticker under the hood i'm thinking some of you might need to help me.

 

[Zeroek]

Just got done putting an engine in a Civic tonight. I wish I could do engine swaps and get paid in tools.

 

[saturninin]

So I looked on carpart.... putting in your a

2001 Engine Honda CRV exchange64k 64,405 AA0967
$900 Parts 4 Less Auto Dismantling USA-CA(Turlock) E-mail 209-632-2600

Everyone I saw was 125k+ for $750+ but the issue with that is you can't check compression or that since its so far away.... would want to check the rep of the shop and such before they ship it.....

Some shops "say" they have good customer service **Thinking of 1 Saturn Yard in FL** but are horrible.... would make sure to search around for it

Sad to hear about your daughter's Honda though.... I use to say I don't want a blastid Honda.... until I bought my Saturn Vue with the 3.5.... and they are amazing.... but when stuff like this happens they go bottoms up...

 

[nicksnothereman]

my son in law comes up to me on Easter at my Sister's house and asked me to look at his car since I've owned 5 Honda CRV and still own a couple. i'm not a mechanic, but it didn't seem right because engine was moving more than i can ever remember mine doing.

he said he didn't know how long that was going on because it is his wife's (my 25 year old daughter's) car. he was planning on coming down this week to my house so i told him I would take it to the mechanic i use and he could drive home my car.

well on their way home they heard a pop in the engine and instead of pulling over ran it about 4 miles until the car died on the freeway. my daughter has towing insurance so car was towed to my mechanics garage.

sorry for the long drawn out story, but after a half a day and only a $75 charge from the mechanic he found the sheared off bolt from probably an over or under tightened timing belt change when my daughter dated a different guy and took it to his mechanic instead of mine. the timing belt slipped off and since my son in law didn't know better i'm pretty sure there is major damage, but not sure.

long story short the engine is now trashed or not running without major repairs, and my mechanic isn't able to buy or put a used or new one in. anybody have time or an engine and want to fix this, or good ideas or sources i can use? She just made her last payment after 7 years of owning it and also just paid for the tabs for next year. i feel terrible for her and my son in law and i'm not a mechanic.

yes she should have come to me sooner and said something, but even good kids don't always do the right thing.

HELP!!!! if this isn't the right place to post this please let me know where would be.

Buy her a bus pass.

Jerk thing to say right? People don't learn if they don't pay a price.

 

[drivesitfar]

Nick: not that i really need to tell you this, but for the thread i thought i would. my "little" girl is one of 5 kids from 40 to 23. she moved out on her own at 18 with a 2 year college degree under her belt. she went to work at a bank and was assistant manager at 22 when her days consisted of calling people choosing to let their homes go back to the bank.

she changed jobs to a yoga and physical fitness instructor and paid for those certifications on her own. she found a good guy and has been married for over a year.

as far as her Honda goes she didn't ask me to help and i am trying to help find a good person to make the CRV run another 100,000 until she can maybe afford a new one. no i'm not paying for it and she wouldn't ask me to. as far as the bus ticket i would take a bullet for that kid and wouldn't throw her in or under the bus.

Remember on your posts guys that i'm not a mechanic so if you can simplify the process in words your teenagers might understand or want the job fixing this car just post or PM me.

thanks in advance

 

[jonathan75]

out of Cleveland,NC

Are you far from the VA Hospital in Salisbury? I go to that one sometimes.

 

[dankicksass]

I don't really see the problem here. It's a job, $1500 parts and $1700 labor. With tax, you're at about $3500 you're thinking of throwing at a 14 year old car with a $7000 replacement cost. It's a real bummer that it doesn't run so you can't get a lot out of the car right now. Here's the thing though. If that CR-V of yours is in great condition, it's only worth $4000 trade at 100k, half of that at 200k. And let's face it, it's not in great condition by a long shot right now. So you really have to ask yourself, does the math make sense?

To me, it doesn't. I'd sell it as a mechanic's special for half its "good" trade value and it would be gone by the end of the weekend around here. Cut your losses.

 

[MRunabout]

I believe the CRV, along with many other Honda engines, are interference engines. This means that if the timing belt goes, the valves will come in contact with the pistons. You'll be lucky if you get away with just bent valves. Worse case scenario is bits of valves shattering off and bouncing around inside the cylinder making your engine irreparable. You'd either have to slap a new belt on and hope it's okay or have someone take off the head to assess the damage.

 

[saturninin]

If someone has more Honda experience..... From Wiki what I'm seeing its a B20B engine...The seller is saying that what it is.... but how do you check it?

Complete jdm b20b long block with warranty - $700 (yakima) B20 long block with about 35000 miles transported from japan complete with dizzy intake manifold

Posted 19 days ago... but then would need to find someone to install it....

Zeroek maybe might be able to help identify it??

 

[ihateminimumwage]

Wish I was a little closer to give you a hand. Already checked the local CL, no engines that fit into that range. Hope someone pops up that can help.

 

[Hantke]

$1,789.99 + Free shipping to a shop AND 5 year warranty. Add another roughly $500-$1000 (Seattle is pricey) for a professional install and you are looking at $3,000 or less. I'd throw on some new motor mounts just to make sure nothing was damaged.
http://www.lowmileageparts.com/2001...gclid=CLPv-qGG-70CFROVfgodMUMAlQ#.U1oF5F4sgaA

Incase I missed anything, PLEASE talk to a professional and set everything up BEFORE ordering, I can't guarantee the correct vehicle without seeing the VIN number.

I'd replace the engine, sell the parts off the old one to re-coupe some money, and scrap the rest. I'll (almost) always take a well cared for car with 150K miles over an unknown car with 80K miles.

Selling it as a -mechanics special- implies that it CAN be fixed, not that the engine is shot and you don't want to deal with it, that it somewhat unethical.

you COULD get it assessed and see what is really wrong, then sell the engine off to some ricer dreaming of building his next honda powered street demon Civic

You could also have the engine rebuilt for roughly 1-2 thousand, assuming the block is salvageable.

 

[nickjj]

In the UK a used engine for a 13 yr old Honda would be around $300, or less (no help to OP I know).

Is not the best step to ring around local junk yards and get a used engine and then find someone to fit it?

Original engine may just need rockers, did the mechanic have a proper look at it?

 

[efncrx]

Www.hmotorsonline.com

Their site is a bit hard to navigate. Give them a call hands down the best customer service. Tell them you need a B20b.

Check their reviews online mostly (Honda-tech.com)

Sounds like you just need long block and not a complete "swap" or changeover.

As mentioned I would replace the motor mounts as well.
Don't go to the stealership, www.hondapartsnow.com

I have no affiliation with either shop except being a customer of both and they always deliver quality.

Good luck!

 

[Bigplum]

hold on a mo, it might not need a new engine ,
surely its worth taking the head off ? there's a very good chance its just bent a few valves & popped some lifters ,your old boy mechanic could do that , might need a few new tools ,yes , it may have trashed the cam or pistons but its a shame to bin it without looking

pulling the head off won't take more than a couple of hours , you will need a cam belt kit for the replacement engine anyway ( well I would , just for peace of mind) .


second hand engines can be a mixed bag in my experience, when I was looking last year , every one advertised had around 80k miles on them , what a coincidence?

 

[Tarheelgarage]

Are you far from the VA Hospital in Salisbury? I go to that one sometimes.

Shop is on jack alexander

 

[drivesitfar]

I thank you guys that would volunteer to have the CRV back on the road, but are too far to make that feasible. since you all sound like quality guys maybe you know another one near me in Seattle?

what i guess i'm hoping for is for someone to bid the job and get the engine and have a dollar figure to get the CRV running like a champ again.

as a broken car i'm guessing it is only worth $500-1000 if that, but these cars run for 300,000 and up so maybe parts are more valuable. lets say the # is in the $3,000 to $4,000 range to get everything right with a like new engine in it. that would make it a $4500 car that will keep her on the road for another 100,000 and still have some value.

i checked a few of the Craigs ads and these sell quick with 200,000 miles on them for $5000 and up so the value would still be in the car for her and what could she buy for $4,500 that would be dependable?

by the way thanks again for all your help so far and my guestimate doesn't really have any facts or figures so if less great for her and if more then might have to send my son in law to school to learn how to put in an engine which might not be a bad thing, but he is busy growing his business too.

PS:glad to hear the good guys in NC are getting to know where to find each other so they can compare notes in person on their stuff and maybe do future projects together.

 

[cide1]

I drove one of these from '98 till '05, was a great car. Fantastic in snow, could carry enough cargo, no major design flaws. Your engine may not be totaled. It is an interference engine, it has probably bent some valves. It may need a new piston or two or four. If the rest of the vehicle is in good shape, find an engine shop and have it fixed. They may need to source a new head. If the car is "worth" 3500, I wouldn't feel too bad putting that much into it. You know what problems the car has, a different $3500 car you might buy could have unknown problems.

 

[impactsocket]

Ebay has engines for sale

http://www.ebay.com/itm/99-00-01-HO...:Honda|Model:CR-V&hash=item1c389e722e&vxp=mtr

$850.00 + contact the seller for shipping cost

http://www.ebay.com/itm/99-00-01-HO...:Honda|Model:CR-V&hash=item20daaf0fa3&vxp=mtr

$1,050.00 or best offer + FREE Standard Shipping

 

[rice rocket]

That's crappy luck, those B-series motors run forever (if you don't snap bolts ). My dad and I actually supercharged it when we first got it, sold it semi-recently but the new owner is a friend of mine and he's going on 170k miles (160k since it was supercharged).

Luckily for whoever's working on your car, it's incredibly easy to pull the motor on these. Tons of engine bay space.

In terms of pricing, these should be well under $1k, $600-750 is reasonable IMHO (unless someone bought up all the remaining engines in the past year or something).


edit: oh maybe not that cheap, I forgot this is the higher compression B20Z, the B20Bs are less expensive. Not sure I'd install a motor from Japan unless you know the exact differences, usually motors from Japan lack the emissions controls that will throw check engine lights.

 

[FriendOfYours]

I PM'd you with my number. My shop is only about an hour a way and I'd be more than happy to hook you up with a good deal

 

[wilham320]

Call speed factory in Tacoma, best Honda shop in the country IMO. Just down the road from you. I would just replace the long block with a low mile Japanese imported engine, head work can get pricy.

http://speedfactoryracing.net/pages/speedfactory-engine-building

 

[impactsocket]

Here's a USDM B20Z2 on ebay for $1,199.99 + FREE Standard Shipping

http://www.ebay.com/itm/99-00-01-HONDA-CR-V-ENGINE-MOTOR-2-0L-VIN-D-5TH-DIGIT-B20Z2-363496-/161268132450?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item258c546a62&vxp=mtr


------------------------------------------------------

B20Z2

1999 - 2001 specs

NON-VTEC

Found in: USDM CR-V as a B20Z2, CR-V and Honda Orthia as a B20B
Displacement: 1,973 cc (120.4 cu in)
Power: 147 hp (110 kW) @ 6200 rpm
Torque: 133 lb·ft (180 N·m) @ 5500 rpm
Rod length: 137 mm (5.4 in)
Compression: 9.6:1
Bore: 84 mm (3.3 in)
Stroke: 89 mm (3.5 in)
Redline: 6,800 rpm
With Knock sensor
Mid Compression Engine

 

[shockwave]

My suggestion to you would be put a reman cylinder head on there which will be about 575 from advance auto just pull the belts and t belt off with intake unbolt the head and swap pulleys and it will be about the same labor as swapping the engine and u know timing belt will be changed aswell

 

[impactsocket]

With the remanufactured cylinder head from advance auto, you also need to buy new Honda OEM valve cover gasket set, head gasket, exhaust manifold gasket, camshaft seals, t-belt, water pump, water pump gasket, valves, and expensive shipping for all these parts.

Fuel rails have to be removed so fuel injector o-rings have to be replaced.

Cylinder head bolts may have to be replaced also if diameter is less than spec.

I would go with Honda OEM for all the additional parts and it will be expensive for Honda OEM.

You will need to buy a tool to hold the cam sprocket from turning in order to remove the cam sprocket. You will need this tool again when you torque the bolt holding the cam sprocket.

Here's a link to guide on swapping a honda cylinder head. This is for a j-series engine, not a B20Z2 but it shows you what is involved with the swap.

http://www.howtorepairguide.com/2011/09/how-to-replace-cylinder-head-2-on-honda.html

http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/spartan-atk-engines-cylinder-head-remanufactured-2594/99979944-P?searchTerm=cylinder+heads#

 

[Shootingblanks]

Finding an engine and having it replaced should not be that difficult.

I just put a used 2.4L engine in my brother's 2008 Mitsubishi Galant. Engine cost $1,000 with 50k miles and was a 2010. Used engine came with a warranty also.

 

[Larch]

Check this place out, they are in CDA Idaho, but they ship engines. Hope this helps.
http://www.foreignengines.com/

 

[Larch]

I have a friend in Seattle who is in a band, his drummer is a mechanic. I will see if I can get a hold of him, if you haven't found someone yet.

 

[89GLH]

If it has the B20, you can use any other B series components on it. Thats the beauty of the D/B series Honda engines. People swap the B20 from CR-Vs into civics because its a displacement increase over the B16 (1.6L). If the engine is FUBAR'd you might need a replacement, otherwise you could look to the smaller B series engines for parts.

I'm with efncrx, hmotorsonline is a cheap way to go. The B20 isn't as popular as the B16/B18, and can be had for cheaper. I bought a civic with spun bearings for $500, and put a single cam ZC (Japanese D16Z6 equivalent) in and it ran for another 6 years problem free. Honda-Tech is the place for these questions, great group over there.

 

[ffjosh]

This is why I don't buy interference engines. (my car now is a interference lol)

Slap a new belt on it. See if it starts up (probably wont)

If it runs good, drive it. If it dosen't...figure out how much your willing to spend.