Help identify this Weber wrench?

[59Sled]

Got this off of Marketplace last night for $5. Wrench is about 8 1/2 to 9 inches long.
Cant find any info on it. A little AI search, I can only find one other picture of one. Its on eBay and he's calling it a carburetor wrench. Definitely not for a carburetor.
A few Facebook group people said its a Push Bike Spanner wrench. Seems to big for a bike spanner. I was also thinking Weber Wagon Company wrench. Someone else thought the same thing.

Any info would be appreciated.

 

[Oregon Dave]

Got this off of Marketplace last night for $5. Wrench is about 8 1/2 to 9 inches long.
Cant find any info on it. A little AI search, I can only find one other picture of one. Its on eBay and he's calling it a carburetor wrench. Definitely not for a carburetor.
A few Facebook group people said its a Push Bike Spanner wrench. Seems to big for a bike spanner. I was also thinking Weber Wagon Company wrench. Someone else thought the same thing.

Any info would be appreciated.

Up north of you; we call this type of tool an implement wrench - like farm implements

 

[59Sled]

Up north of you; we call this type of tool an implement wrench - like farm implements

That's exactly of what it reminds me of, the early implement wrenches. But the Weber name has me stumped.

 

[Oregon Dave]

That's exactly of what it reminds me of, the early implement wrenches. But the Weber name has me stumped.

Some options; Weber could be an obscure manufacture or a Ag dealer; promotional tool type thing

 

[four.cycle]

Searching for this gives one a great example of why "AI" is never going to be of any use in the real world, and how "Google" gets worse with each passing day:

VINTAGE WEBER FARM WRENCH CAST IRON SILO IMPLEMENT TRACTOR RARE TOOL OLD | #4546433546

VINTAGE WEBER FARM WRENCH CAST IRON SILO IMPLEMENT TRACTOR RARE TOOL OLD VTG.Marked: SB Weber wrench...odd, unique, crazy cool looking wrench. RARE. Rathbone Vol. III does have a picture of this wrenc

www.worthpoint.com

Vintage Rare Tractor Wrench SB Weber Has One Piece Broke Off 7" Across | #1821668595

Vintage Rare Tractor Wrench SB Weber. Has One Piece Broke Off. 7 Across. Looks in GC. Buying AS IS.Please check the pics along with my other Auctions !! I combine shipping on most items.PaymentI acce

www.worthpoint.com

It's "SB Weber", and it's obviously for some sort of machine or bicycle. It is possible that it may have come from "across the pond".

There was a "Weber and Smith" that manufactured a bicycle, but that's not "S.B. Weber". They were only in business for a year - in 1898.

"Implement Wrench" / "Tractor Wrench" / "Buggy Wrench" / "Bicycle Wrench" = all terms used interchangeably when the correct answer is not known.

 

[59Sled]

Searching for this gives one a great example of why "AI" is never going to be of any use in the real world, and how "Google" gets worse with each passing day:

VINTAGE WEBER FARM WRENCH CAST IRON SILO IMPLEMENT TRACTOR RARE TOOL OLD | #4546433546

VINTAGE WEBER FARM WRENCH CAST IRON SILO IMPLEMENT TRACTOR RARE TOOL OLD VTG.Marked: SB Weber wrench...odd, unique, crazy cool looking wrench. RARE. Rathbone Vol. III does have a picture of this wrenc

www.worthpoint.com

Vintage Rare Tractor Wrench SB Weber Has One Piece Broke Off 7" Across | #1821668595

Vintage Rare Tractor Wrench SB Weber. Has One Piece Broke Off. 7 Across. Looks in GC. Buying AS IS.Please check the pics along with my other Auctions !! I combine shipping on most items.PaymentI acce

www.worthpoint.com

It's "SB Weber", and it's obviously for some sort of machine or bicycle. It is possible that it may have come from "across the pond".

There was a "Weber and Smith" that manufactured a bicycle, but that's not "S.B. Weber". They were only in business for a year - in 1898.

"Implement Wrench" / "Tractor Wrench" / "Buggy Wrench" / "Bicycle Wrench" = all terms used interchangeably when the correct answer is not known.

That's awesome. We are getting somewhere. At least I feel more comfortable saying its an implement wrench now. An era when made would be great. Wish I had the funds to join Worthpoint. Would love to see what them went for. I collect so many other vintage things that it would help with. I just started with the tool collecting. Thanks you,

 

[four.cycle]

^ when all else fails, try "Bing" instead of Google.

Given the number of openings, the size of the largest opening, and the "pointy" corners (which would not lend themselves well to being carried in the pocket of a cyclist, as "bicycle wrenches" were so intended) I would say "implement wrench" would be a better starting point than "bicycle wrench", but what sort of "implement" is the mystery.

"Musselman" bicycle wrench to illustrate my point above. Probably not the best example, but note that the number of "pointy corners" has been minimized, as opposed to your specimen above.
(You'll see "washing machine wrenches" stamped out with all kinds of "pointy corners" as well... mostly made for old gas-powered Maytags.)

 

[Beerhippie]

I wonder if it'll fit my barbecue?

 

[Farmer J.]

Weber Wagon Company?

The Early History of Weber Wagon Company | Wheels that Won the West

Profiling America's first transportation industry, Wheels That Won The West® media highlights rare details and insights into the wheels that built the West.

wheelsthatwonthewest.com

The Weber Grain Wagon - The Carriage and Western Art Museum

Henry Weber was born in 1822 in Hochweiler, Alsase, France. At the time it was part of Germany, and thus the family were all German speaking. Henry came to America in 1841, at the age of 18, and was indentured to a wagon-maker in Lyons, N.Y. for three years. After the three years in New […]

carriagemuseum.org

 

[four.cycle]

^ There's no "SB" in "Henry"

 

[Farmer J.]

^ There's no "SB" in "Henry"

Yes, that does rather detract from the suggestion, so i put a "?" in my post!
We shouldn't rule out the unlikely possibility that the 'SB' on the wrench may be there for some other reason, maybe the model of wagon, or part reference, or it was made in some place like with those initials. Although, as we well know, the simplest answer is usually the best!
Look forward to seeing if we find a good simple answer to the 'SB Weber' wrench.

 

[Oregon Dave]

Yes, that does rather detract from the suggestion, so i put a "?" in my post!
We shouldn't rule out the unlikely possibility that the 'SB' on the wrench may be there for some other reason, maybe the model of wagon, or part reference, or it was made in some place like with those initials. Although, as we well know, the simplest answer is usually the best!
Look forward to seeing if we find a good simple answer to the 'SB Weber' wrench.

Another thought I had initially was SB was Henry's son who took over the business; but still favor S.B. Weber was an ag business - too many wrench sizes for a typical implement manufacture; Weber combined them like as for a business promotion.

An additional thought is SB made a wrench for his more complicated machine; I am just unable to figure it out.

 

[RTM]

I did a lot of Google Books digging into SB Weber last night, most of the references, from 1890 to 1920s were to solo individuals, a banker in Lewistown, a guy who incorporated a Power and Light company, also in Lewistown, a treasurer at Mann Edge tool company, etc, no company names. Guy who bought Tudor Elevators (grain) in Belpre Kansas seems potential, but not much else found




The only outlier was an SB Weber and Sons, in what looked like Lewistown PA, but no other searches found anything.



This did not come up when including And Sons

Monthly Review of the Dairy and Food Division

books.google.com

I included wrench, tool, implement, bicycle, and maybe agriculture.


I’m punting.

 

[59Sled]

I did a lot of Google Books digging into SB Weber last night, most of the references, from 1890 to 1920s were to solo individuals, a banker in Lewistown, a guy who incorporated a Power and Light company, also in Lewistown, a treasurer at Mann Edge tool company, etc, no company names. Guy who bought Tudor Elevators (grain) in Belpre Kansas seems potential, but not much else found




The only outlier was an SB Weber and Sons, in what looked like Lewistown PA, but no other searches found anything.



This did not come up when including And Sons

Monthly Review of the Dairy and Food Division

books.google.com

I included wrench, tool, implement, bicycle, and maybe agriculture.


I’m punting.

That's awesome. You went deep. I kind of get the same way. When something like this comes up and there is no clear answers. It bugs me and I cant let it go. haha.

That could be it. Someone else mentioned it looked like a bottle tank tool. So possible with the Dairy industry.

 

[four.cycle]

^ Possible, but I am skeptical of that being the case, as most all of the "sanitary flow wrenches" used on dairy operations have gigantic openings (up to 6 inches in some cases.) I could well be mistaken, but it looks to me more along the line of "agricultural implement".

S.B Weber of Lewistown, PA was the President of the Mifflin County National Bank

 

[59Sled]

Ok. Now I found that there are Weber Stationary engines.

"Oilwell" 2 cylinder 2 cycle - Weber diesel

Looking for any info on this engine or one like it. It is branded as "Oilwell" from Oil Well Supply Company of Oil City PA. (Possibly under US Steel but what year did that start?) The engine design by Samuel B. Gold (superintendent at Weber) and Bruce E. Gold (his son) for the Weber Engine...

www.smokstak.com

In this message board they did mention this.
The engine design by Samuel B. Gold (superintendent at Weber) and Bruce E. Gold (his son) for the Weber Engine Company of Kansas City, MO.

 

[59Sled]

After some more searching under different things.
I found a aluminium weber wrench on eBay. But they also don't know what its from. Also its a close variant of mine. But its missing the "SB"

Pardon Our Interruption...

 

[four.cycle]

2-11/16" ?

WTH?

 

[RTM]

2-11/16" ?

WTH?

Two and 5/8" fat
Aluminum and it bent
Two and 3/4 light.

 

[Oregon Dave]

After some more searching under different things.
I found a aluminium weber wrench on eBay. But they also don't know what its from. Also its a close variant of mine. But its missing the "SB"

Pardon Our Interruption...

Nails it for me.

 

[RTM]

Hey there, can someone with a little extra time poke into the Weber Knapp info on AA? See if there is an SB in there somewhere?

Says WK was a successor to Weber Mfg.

Various Hand Tool Makers [Page 5]

Page 4 of a collection of tools from various hand tool makers.

alloy-artifacts.org

Gotta get back to work

 

[four.cycle]

Brian -- One avenue I consider plausible: WEBER was making dental "spittoons / fountains" before buying out Harvard Dental Furniture & expanding to the full range of dental furniture / equipment. The bronze & aluminum wrenches make sense in that context, although no one in the subset of the wrench collecting hobby I know of has found a catalog, parts list, etc. to provide hard proof / explain what all functions the wrenches were designed to address. Neither google books nor the International Tool Catalog Library at archive.org have provided an "aha" on those. Company became STERN / WEBER.
Regards, Stan S.

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