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Yarpo

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Another vote for gearwrench, the quality of tool they're delivering at the prices they are is truly crazy in my opinion.

Advanced Auto had a coupon and stocks gearwrench, I got a 3/8th drive metric swivel socket set for 33 dollars. The set is great, the swivels are firm and not sloppy, the fit and finish is top notch. I also have their 1/4 and 3/8th metric sets and have no issues, but this swivel set made me an even bigger believer.
 
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for price and what you after gearwrench sockets are pretty nice and be good enough for non pro and don't do bad in pro environment either, living with impacts over chromes becomes a PITA .
Other option if wanting quality and US over price could be US Williams .
Set of short and long metric sockets on rails in 3/8 and 1/4 not too expensive so should have funds for an impact set as well, sunex are pretty decent impact sockets.
 

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I'm a big SK fan. that said, they are quality tools, made in USA, but they are a bit pricey. If you buy SK, the sockets will likely last your lifetime
 

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My suggestion would be SK or Proto. Don't be afraid to browse ebay either. Some awesome deals can be found there for both brands. Deals on military surplus proto sockets can be had there for bargain prices.
 

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I'd recommend that you cam buy your USA Craftsmen back.

Sounds like you're not a professional mechanic, so any brand listed will do the job.

SK will be the preferred choice, though.

If your real question is "what brand will look best polished up in my box and impress my friends and neighbors, even if I use them once a month", then go Snapon.

Yes , I have Snapon too.
 

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I'll be the outlier here and say go with the Tekton sets, they're the best thing going, especially for the price. If you buy the sets you listed there are no skips. Additionally they're 6pt. The customer support is second to none!

Another consideration is Husky. Their sockets are the same as the Matco Silver Eagle line at a much lower price (double stamped example on GJ)
 

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..... If impact sockets are ever in your future I would look at grey pneumatic. They have a line of "duo" sockets that are impact rated but thin walled similar to chrome sockets. I beat the hell out of mine and have yet to split one. Pretty damn affordable too.

The above is my answer. No reason in this day and age that even the occasional DIYer isn't using at least a cordless impact. I also see no reason for having two complete sets of 3/8 sockets next to each other in the same toolbox. On 1/4 you may not need any impacts, on 1/2 I'm using impact-only and may replace with a Duo-socket set if the need arises.

It has resulted in me giving away several sets that were expensive for the stage of life in which I bought them. No reason for anyone to make that mistake now.
 

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you haven't mentioned the time period needed to make your purchase(s) or the amount of effort you are willing to extend to get your best deal. $250 could buy a lot of Snap-on at an OldSchool swap meet, although the number of visits required would probably be dependent upon patience, tenacity and luck. the same amount of money would buy much more of Proto or any other brand socket you would find.
 

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I would go with SK. While they may not have a whole lot of flash and dash, what SK does have is brute strength. And brute strength is a very endearing feature with hand tools.
 

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Snap On wins hands down. If too pricey look at used from the Classified section here on GJ or Ebay.

The one thing I like about Snap-on sockets is their timing. When you snap one of their sockets onto a square drive with a detent ball, that detent ball centers itself in the detent at the same time the socket comes to a complete stop.

In comparison, GW sockets are a half a detent ball out of time. That's why you can press against a GW socket after it's engaged on an extension and it'll spring back at you.
 

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I'm extremely happy with Proto,they are made in the U.S.A.they are high quality and really have good features.They will last a lifetime and will instill a sense of pride in ownership.You will be happy after purchase.
 

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you haven't mentioned the time period needed to make your purchase(s) or the amount of effort you are willing to extend to get your best deal. $250 could buy a lot of Snap-on at an OldSchool swap meet, although the number of visits required would probably be dependent upon patience, tenacity and luck. the same amount of money would buy much more of Proto or any other brand socket you would find.

I really like this advice.

I have one of those made in USA Craftsman blow molded socket sets. I have been slowly buying Snap-on, Wright, Proto, Armstrong and SK as I find it super cheap at estate sales, garage sales, and flea markets. I found a few today... only 3 that replaced one in my blow molded trays, though (a 3/8" drive 14mm Snap-on and a couple Proto). The other ones I found today were Snap-on mid length (8 metric ones) , 2 Snap-on SAE crows feet sockets, a 17mm Armstrong hex socket, a MAC hex socket, a Proto 3/8" drive deep 9/16", a Proto 9/16" 3/8" drive flex socket and a couple others... all for $22.

My goal is to eventually have zero Craftsman in the trays, then have zero Craftsman on the rails attached to my workbench, then have zero Craftsman in my work tools... better and better sockets for as little as possible. I do not care if my sockets match.
 
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My SAE rails end up being a lot longer than most because I have a LOT of /32s sockets.

Note: my favorite sockets are Snap-on... so I would love for the blow molded trays to be all Snap-on eventually.
 
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Note: my favorite sockets are Snap-on... so I would love for the blow molded trays to be all Snap-on eventually.

the road to making it happen is enjoying the hunt. you're already on your way. :thumbup:
 

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I recently bought a 62 piece 3/8 napa set from HandToolsForLess.com think I paid right at $60 shipped. It's pre Carlyle napa and comes in a very compact blow mold case with a metal hinge. Liked it so much I went back and got the matching 1/4 set. They've became my go to sets for small projects and field repairs.
 

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I really like this advice.

I have one of those made in USA Craftsman blow molded socket sets. I have been slowly buying Snap-on, Wright, Proto, Armstrong and SK as I find it super cheap at estate sales, garage sales, and flea markets. I found a few today... only 3 that replaced one in my blow molded trays, though (a 3/8" drive 14mm Snap-on and a couple Proto). The other ones I found today were Snap-on mid length (8 metric ones) , 2 Snap-on SAE crows feet sockets, a 17mm Armstrong hex socket, a MAC hex socket, a Proto 3/8" drive deep 9/16", a Proto 9/16" 3/8" drive flex socket and a couple others... all for $22.

My goal is to eventually have zero Craftsman in the trays, then have zero Craftsman on the rails attached to my workbench, then have zero Craftsman in my work tools... better and better sockets for as little as possible. I do not care if my sockets match.

Honest question here, and not trying to start a debate between US made CF vs Snap-on, Wright, Proto, etc (which are also US made).

From functional point of view of a DIY like me, (not talking about how the sockets look prettier, nicer, thicker chrome, etc) is there any difference? I have mostly US made CF, and just curious why you are making this move to replace all US made CF with other US made brands.
 
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Honest question here, and not trying to start a debate between US made CF vs Snap-on, Wright, Proto, etc (which are also US made).

From functional point of view of a DIY like me, (not talking about how the sockets look prettier, nicer, thicker chrome, etc) is there any difference? I have mostly US made CF, and just curious why you are making this move to replace all US made CF with other US made brands.

I have used Craftsman for my entire adult life. They have done everything that I have needed to do. But I got to work with some Wright and Snap-on sockets, and they felt better to work with. Also, I like estate sales...

I would love to build an entire set of Snap-on tools for less than the price of Craftsman. And, the Craftsman would not be going far. They would be going to my boy. I want to build him a set of made in USA tools over the next few years.
 

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Grey pneumatic duo sockets...i think you can get 1/4 and 3/8 for under 250 or very close.

If you already have impact sockets I would go Toptul.

Boycott Apex, Craftsman, Stanley imo
 
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I've been a journeyman mechanic for 20 plus years. I recently had to put together another complete set of tools to keep at a job site. My main set is all snap on and mac. I Found Tekton and Im Blown away. I purchased all my sockets 1/4, 3/8,1/2 metric and standard deep and shallow from them. I have absolutely no issues with Tekton. Less money than gear wrench and far less money than SK. Tekton has the best warranty program I have ever seen. I now recommend Tekton to all the apprentices.
 

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Honestly I am a ridiculous fan of Koken. I also have a lot of craftsman as well from back in the day. But between the 3 brands you listed. My choice would actually be gear wrench. The quality is pretty good and the price is good. I think, correct me if I am wrong, but isn't gear wrench sockets matco sockets?
 

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I have plenty of Snap On sockets, and I wrench on heavy stuff for a living. I have yet to figure out what they have to offer over decent Taiwan sockets - like Toptul.

Sure they are pretty, but...
 

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Professional mechanic's socket set for ~$300:

1 x Waterloo (USA-made!) polypropylene tool box with steel drawers, Amazon: $45

1 x Snap-On 3/8" ratchet, new, off ebay: $50

1 x Gearwrench 3/8" thin wall impact socket set, 44-piece, new, Amazon: $60

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1 x 1/2" Snap On ratchet, new, ebay: Current best price is $100, recently sold for $80.

2 x Pittsburgh Pro (Harbor Freight's upscale brand) 1/2" thin wall impact socket sets, 1 each SAE and Metric: $26 each.

1 x Pittsburgh Pro 1/2" impact extensions: $10

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If you break any of this stuff by hand, you are doing something terribly wrong.
 

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I recently bought a 62 piece 3/8 napa set from HandToolsForLess.com think I paid right at $60 shipped. It's pre Carlyle napa and comes in a very compact blow mold case with a metal hinge. Liked it so much I went back and got the matching 1/4 set. They've became my go to sets for small projects and field repairs.

Those Carlyle sockets look EXACTLY the same as Gearwrench. I'll be surprised if Gearwrench isn't the OEM.
 

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Those aren't Carlyle, those are NHT (Napa Hand Tools).

Yes, they'd be Apex/GW manufactured.

Carlyle is not Apex, however.
 

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Gearwrench sockets are professional grade, as far as I can tell. You spend several hundreds more, the difference is little to none.

The next step is Snap-On, if money is a concern. I would avoid any off/lesser know brands (US made or not) because Snap-On will have resell value, others not so much.
 

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Yet another brand to consider is PROTO, they are also made in USA.

I'll second the Protos. I have had singles in the past but I just replaced a whole set of deep well sockets with Protos. They're very nice.

A little later I replaced some 1/4" drive metrics both deep and shallow with SK. They are really nice, too. I could've gotten the Protos for less but I bought the SKs on Epstein's day.
 

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But if it's only marginally better I'd rather save the cash. I'm open to suggestions, I'd just like to keep it under $250.

I don't think any of the ones you mentioned are more than marginally better than the others. The question is, is marginally better significant?

I think from the best brands (Snap-on, Proto, etc) to Gearwrench is maybe 20% better performance. That is significant if you need that 20%. For most things, you won't need the extra. That 20% exhibits in breakage or a rounded off nut when you're pulling hard in a confined space and slip and cut your hand. Or a fastener that rounds off and you have to drill it out and retap it.

So, the question becomes, do you run into that extra few percentage point performance needs often enough to pay several times the price for a "marginally" better tool.

To me, over a 20 or 30 year use time, paying an extra couple hundred dollars for quality tools is worth it. It may not be worth it to you.
 

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SK all the way why not buy something that will last your lifetime and your kids lifetime and that in made right here in USA just buy a used set off eBay. Williams USA is also a good choice made by snap on. I have alot of Williams and SK but mostly Snap on and they are all just as good.
 

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I don't think any of the ones you mentioned are more than marginally better than the others. The question is, is marginally better significant?

I think from the best brands (Snap-on, Proto, etc) to Gearwrench is maybe 20% better performance. That is significant if you need that 20%. For most things, you won't need the extra. That 20% exhibits in breakage or a rounded off nut when you're pulling hard in a confined space and slip and cut your hand. Or a fastener that rounds off and you have to drill it out and retap it.

So, the question becomes, do you run into that extra few percentage point performance needs often enough to pay several times the price for a "marginally" better tool.

To me, over a 20 or 30 year use time, paying an extra couple hundred dollars for quality tools is worth it. It may not be worth it to you.

Any facts behind that 20% claim? Have you compared Snap-On with Gearwrench? 1% is a lot to me.

I understand people buying Snap-On, because they can sell them later if they don't need them. Buying other off brands (be it SK, Proto...), the demand is far less. Those are way over priced and their quality is about the same or less than Gearwrench. Donating to the US workers in a dying industry that cannot compete is not exactly noble or patriotic.
 

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Any facts behind that 20% claim? Have you compared Snap-On with Gearwrench? 1% is a lot to me.

I understand people buying Snap-On, because they can sell them later if they don't need them. Buying other off brands (be it SK, Proto...), the demand is far less. Those are way over priced and their quality is about the same or less than Gearwrench. Donating to the US workers in a dying industry that cannot compete is not exactly noble or patriotic.

The 20% is a subjective number I put to it. Not an objectively measurable.

I have compared Snap-on to Gearwrench; I have owned both. If I was just going to put a subjective to them, Snap-on would rate excellent, Gearwrench as "acceptable for the lower cost". Someone else might rate Gearwrench as great, and Snap-on as "not worth the much higher cost".

What I know is that there is a detectable fit difference between Gearwrench and the better brands. Not on every piece, and more so on some than others. But, overall, the fit is better. There is a finish consistency difference. Again, it varies, but overall it is better on the higher end brands. What is most subjective and hard to measure is the failure rate. I have seen a much lower failure rate (roundoff, not able to do the job, breakage) in the better brands. This mostly at extreme end of conditions, so again, each persons experience will vary based on what conditions they work under.

What you might see as 1% better might be what I rate as 20% better, or someone else might rate as twice as good. It is definitely subjective, and if you objectively measure only one thing (like tolerance on a particular bolt head, or hardness of the steel, or bending strength), you might miss the overall suitability. I guess that's why we argue about it on the GJ, if we could measure it, we would and everyone would just buy the "best". Or go down the list in order until they buy the "best" they could afford.
 

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I have a 3/8 drive set of SK sockets which came with both metric and SAE sizes. They function as expected, but I was dissapointed in the inconsistency of the finish. Some of the chrome is hazy and several sockets still had thin metal remnants from the broaching process that I had to remove with needle nose pliers.

I also have sockets by Snap On, Proto and USA Craftsman. Proto sockets are just as strong as SK, made in the US and have a more consistent finish. You should give those a look, believe Amazon has several different sets.
 

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I have Craftsmen from the 70's and they are good quality non-pro tools. Even then the fit tolerances were loose and the extensions would pull off the drivers or sometimes the sockets would drop off the extensions but altogether usuable.

When I had the money in the '80's, I bought a modest set of SnapOn SAE sockets in 1/4, 1/2, and 3/8 drive. Still used my Craftsmen box and open ended wrenches.

I've gone all metric now. If I can't buy USA either for price or value, I try to shop the civilized free World.

I went with Facom for my 3/8 and 1/4 metric sockets. They are amazing quality. There's probably some reason they aren't as good as SnapOn but I couldn't tell you what it would be. They feel and work great. They also seem to have a little shoulder in the sockets that seems to work like "Flank Drive." I think Stanley now owns Facom (I don't know this for certain) and for that reason they are not promoted much in the US.

For my metric combo wrenches (even though you didn't ask) I have a great set of Stahlwille's that supplement my old US Craftsmen. They aren't as shiny and smooth as SnapOns but they have equal precision and strength. The heads are thinner than the Craftsmen and the offset angle on the box-ends seems to be pretty handy.

I've never owned a GearWrench but if I get a set of open-end/ratchet wrenches, I'll give GW a try.

Good to hear all the kudos for Tekton. I just bought a 1/4" drive inch/pound torque wrench from them, mostly for motorcycle oil pan bolts. Hate to shear them off.

Slim
 
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In my experience consistency of finish is FAR worse with snap on and sk than gearwrench. I have a lot of all 3 brands and everything from gearwrench arrives perfect. I would say 10% of the snap on/sk stuff I have bought arrived blemished. I even had one sk socket come in that seemed to have skipped a step of production.
 

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I love a Snap On however what your looking for between Gearwrench, Tekton, and SK in my opinion aren't much better than what you had. I suggest Williams tools which is Snap on Industrial, good quality and a fraction of the cost. You could go on EBay and get Used Snap on usually very reasonable, after that I would go with Matco. Pick what works for you, not just a name brand. Good luck.
 

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Word of advice to the OP: Don't use this as a reason to choose a brand of tools to buy.



I completely agree. I've made it nearly 50 years without selling any tools. I'm sure my kid will end up with everything when I croak.


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