Help me clean the joint up...

[Shocker]

I think this is a great forum with lots of great people. But I think I would have been banned more than once for my comments. Actually, a lot of us would have been.

Personally, I will never hit that report button. No matter how I feel about the post. I am all for Ryan running this place as he see's fit, but don't expect me to police it.

 

[autoace]

Sounds good, I have been here awhile now, and some of my posts are really done for humor, in some cases, just to make someone laugh. Some of the racy avatars and garage joking, seems to lighten this place up a little, in a good way IMO. My point is, maybe some of us have become too "comfortable", myself one of them. Whatever your wishes are, I and most others will happily oblige, this is a good forum.

 

[autoace]

I think this is a great forum with lots of great people. But I think I would have been banned more than once for my comments. Actually, a lot of us would have been.

Personally, I will never hit that report button. No matter how I feel about the post. I am all for Ryan running this place as he see's fit, but don't expect me to police it.

I'll report blatant misuse. i.e. If merk posts one of his gals, no problem in my book. If someone is making a "LMAO" post, no red flag for me.

Someone using real excessive bad language, and trashing another member, for no reason, I would report it. Blatant political stuff, unfortunately anything economy related becomes a political thread, and that is too bad, because alot of our tool purchases revolve around the economics or manufacturing, autos, etc..........

I report the real junk, it would be harder for new members to decipher what is what, I would think.

 

[35mastr]

Fellas... This isn't a black and white issue in some cases. And you'll have to decide for yourselves if I'm doing a good enough job for you to remain active on the forum. I know I can't make all people happy.

My main focus is to get the forums focused... on tools, garages, etc...

Opinions are great... and great threads come from folks that have a difference of opinion. However, if you have to run down another member in order to express your opinion, you aren't going to last long around here.

Well said. People cant follow the rules. It will be like an Ol School Hamb Ban.

 

[Daniel Dudley]

I don't report people, and I never have, but I think it is wrong for someone to come in and hijack a guys thread because you have issues with what kind of car he drives.

If someone comes here asking for help, he or she should get it. If you don't like his car, or where he lives, etc., don't help the guy. If you don't think he has the right type of garage, or you have issues with how much money a guy makes, fine. Going on and on about it just seems bitter.

Maybe it is just me, but as a long time lurker, things seem to have escalated recently into open bash fests. Once that becomes the new standard, that will be the forum. I'd rather see Ryan decide what is fair, and not me or the bashers.

I just like garages and workshops, machines and cars. I like people who have garages and workshops, and even as a builder of 30 years + , I am often humbled and awed by what I see here. Just be aware that if someone is stepping up, it may not just be an effort to make the complainers happy.

Maybe I just happen to be the Gay owner of a foreign car with a show garage and a Chinese engine stand, which I only use for display because I am rich and I don't work on cars. Or maybe I just have a low tolerance level for intolerance. At least I try to be polite about it.

I can keep my mouth shut, and I will try. This place is a treasure. Treasure it.

 

[sk farmer]

you know guys, rather than be a narc and run to ryan with petty stuff, be a man and deal with it yourself. either ignore it and call the guy or gal out on your own. i think in most cases just telling someone either in the thread or in a pm that they are out of line will solve the problem. i for one can see myself thrown out by a bunch of anononymous wannabee watchdogs. i will probably never even know why because that report button goes to ryan and noone will ever see who sent it or for what reason.

 

[Bodge Garage]

I'm "all in" with the new program. Ben to, and left, many forums in the past that got out of hand.

BUT, I do love a good flame thread...in the right spirit.

 

[Holedgr]

Don't type or try to convey ANYTHING you wouldn't let your mother see and I think you'll be alright. Politics can also be discussed without attacking someone.

I truly enjoy this forum and all the opinions and ideas that the members share...this is what once made our country and this forum great, the freedom to have opinions and express them.

Expressing an opinion as an insult.....no.....NO freedom to do that....not here or anywhere.

 

[Holedgr]

you know guys, rather than be a narc and run to ryan with petty stuff, be a man and deal with it yourself. either ignore it and call the guy or gal out on your own. i think in most cases just telling someone either in the thread or in a pm that they are out of line will solve the problem. i for one can see myself thrown out by a bunch of anononymous wannabee watchdogs. i will probably never even know why because that report button goes to ryan and noone will ever see who sent it or for what reason.

I feel like reporting ya just to 'F' with ya....

 

[GDA]

I've been here for a couple years and while I don't post each and every day in conversation style like some do, I am all for keeping the place focused on tools and garages. The drama, highly controversial comments and arguments can be left to the tv set soap operas.

Also, I second the suggestion on giving someone a reset if they go clean for a year with proper behavior.

 

[bgott]

Maybe I just happen to be the Gay owner of a foreign car with a show garage and a Chinese engine stand, which I only use for display because I am rich and I don't work on cars. Or maybe I just have a low tolerance level for intolerance. At least I try to be polite about it.

So, where is the picture of the engine stand?

 

[NUTTSGT]

Ryan, your plan sounds good, basically it's done like this on other forums, the mods just don't "put it out there." You definately have a great forum here, I've only been here a short time myself but have done my share of postwhoring.


BTW, I guess I should have came across this thread before I got slightly pissed in the pick up/ bad driver thread.

 

[e-tek]

I hadn't opened this thread yet, but since I had read most of the others, I figured maybe I could offer some help to a guy cleaning out his place......

Now, after reading and considering - I'm ALL FOR IT!! With one IMPORTANT request:

- that a guys comments aren't taken out of context!

Many times I've read - or written - something that has been taken completely differently than intended!! 3 X in the past I have had guys ask me if something was wrong because they felt my posts where "a little off" ...or that I was being "a little pissy" - when I have never been "a little" pissy" in my life!!! (I'm either VERY HAPPY - OR VERY PISSY!!)

Otherwise - it's a great policy that has been a long time coming!

 

[e-tek]

you know guys, rather than be a narc and run to ryan with petty stuff, be a man and deal with it yourself. either ignore it and call the guy or gal out on your own. i think in most cases just telling someone either in the thread or in a pm that they are out of line will solve the problem. i for one can see myself thrown out by a bunch of anononymous wannabee watchdogs. i will probably never even know why because that report button goes to ryan and noone will ever see who sent it or for what reason.

Are you being serious?

 

[chevelle64]

I might send you an infraction for your avatar though...

Boomer Sooner.

So if the shirt in the avatar was the problem, can we just get rid of the shirt? Wait, was that bad?

 

[Coach James]

This really is one of the better forums on the net and I want it to stay that way. I prefer adults to behave as adults, but some of the posts I see on here are over the top and I don't blame Ryan for wanting it to stop. I have never hard any problems with anyone here as I try to post the same way I would speak to someone face to face. The threads where someone is going @#(*&^@#$^@#($^@()#$^* on another poster, I just ignore and move on.

Coach

 

[Ryan]

you know guys, rather than be a narc and run to ryan with petty stuff, be a man and deal with it yourself. either ignore it and call the guy or gal out on your own. i think in most cases just telling someone either in the thread or in a pm that they are out of line will solve the problem. i for one can see myself thrown out by a bunch of anononymous wannabee watchdogs. i will probably never even know why because that report button goes to ryan and noone will ever see who sent it or for what reason.

I hadn't opened this thread yet, but since I had read most of the others, I figured maybe I could offer some help to a guy cleaning out his place......

Now, after reading and considering - I'm ALL FOR IT!! With one IMPORTANT request:

- that a guys comments aren't taken out of context!

Many times I've read - or written - something that has been taken completely differently than intended!! 3 X in the past I have had guys ask me if something was wrong because they felt my posts where "a little off" ...or that I was being "a little pissy" - when I have never been "a little" pissy" in my life!!! (I'm either VERY HAPPY - OR VERY PISSY!!)

Otherwise - it's a great policy that has been a long time coming!

Or, just be polite and reasonable. That's all I'm asking fellas...

 

[FastEddieG]

I'm new to this forum, but definitely not new to forums or newsgroups. Sure GJ isn't "bad" now, or bad compared to other forums, but why take a chance and let it get to that point? I think the advantage GJ has over most forums is it's a focused demographic of tool/car/garage/workshop guys and mostly mature ones at that. I know for me, this forum is attractive for my ability to request others' opinions/expertise and share my own. I think it's great to have an active forum admin like Ryan wanting to keep the forum focused, and essentially allowing us to assist in doing so.

So having said that, I think we're all big boys that are more than capable of using self judgment and offering the same respect when posting that we'd expect in return.

My $0.02,
-Ed

 

[Vinko]

edit: sorry, one more comment.. when someone is banned, I can picture some folks wanting explanation as to why they're banned. Just something to consider

More than once (several times really), I've come across some really good posts from someone with good information relevant to the spirit of this site, and I look over at his name to find out who posted it, and under the name it says "banned".

 

[sk farmer]

Or, just be polite and reasonable. That's all I'm asking fellas...

i generally am, and so is e-tek. but on any given day or week some of us may be pissy. and yes e-tek i am serious. i have seen some pms from folks to stay away from you or ignore what you say. if ryan's ideas were taken to heart you and i are some of the people that may be gone. you promote an anonynmous power to some unscrupulous people and they will abuse it. 98% of the people here deal correctly with things. take that small pecentage who don't and multiply that by the large number of people here and it is a lot. i am not even sure why ryan is promoting this now, as of late i think things have been very quiet.

 

[krusty the clown]

i have seen some pms from folks to stay away from you or ignore what you say. if ryan's ideas were taken to heart you and i are some of the people that may be gone.

seriously? ignore e-tek?


i believe you may be taking this wrong. i think as long as you don't flame or tell someone to go f@#& themselves you'll be fine. there will always be disagreements but you can get your point across without personal attacks.


SK, i really think you'll be fine. even if someone reports every post you make i think ryan,bmw, etc. will be able to see the hidden agenda of the reporter.

 

[babzog]

you know guys, rather than be a narc and run to ryan with petty stuff, be a man and deal with it yourself. either ignore it and call the guy or gal out on your own. i think in most cases just telling someone either in the thread or in a pm that they are out of line will solve the problem. i for one can see myself thrown out by a bunch of anononymous wannabee watchdogs. i will probably never even know why because that report button goes to ryan and noone will ever see who sent it or for what reason.

Maybe that's a solution to make people think twice and thrice about reporting soas to only do so in extreme cases: have Ryan make a weekly list of reports: Who the reporter was and for what post. If there's no shame in reporting, then there should be no shame in having your name listed as the reporter, yes?

 

[Yoke]

And here I thought this thread was going to be about garage shelving and organizational tools

I'm newer here and I love the site, one of the smoothest running forums I belong to. I have no issues recommending this site to others. I for one think it's moderated quite well, both by the admin and by the users.

I also think there is a healthy amount of "ribbing" with in some of the posts. Just as in real life though someone is going to read it wrong or take it the wrong way and be offended or put off by a post. We are all adults or at least we should be, and can decide for ourselves who we interact with on the forum, again as in real life you avoid people you don't get along with (my parents for example).

Blatent bashing is something I hate.

All in all an awesome sight love every minute I'm on here.

Thanks to Ryan for hosting.

 

[Ryan]

i generally am, and so is e-tek. but on any given day or week some of us may be pissy. and yes e-tek i am serious. i have seen some pms from folks to stay away from you or ignore what you say. if ryan's ideas were taken to heart you and i are some of the people that may be gone. you promote an anonynmous power to some unscrupulous people and they will abuse it. 98% of the people here deal correctly with things. take that small pecentage who don't and multiply that by the large number of people here and it is a lot. i am not even sure why ryan is promoting this now, as of late i think things have been very quiet.

I can tell you for certain that if you aren't respectful of other users and spread drama through out your posts, you won't be here for long.

I can also tell you for certain that if you are a reasonable guy and post good content, that you will have nothing to worry about.

Listen man, if this is asking too much then maybe you are here for the wrong reasons. I mean, it's just a garage and tool forum - it's not a place to vent your frustration after a bad day or during pissy moments. Sorry, this is my forum and that's not how I have the future envisioned.

 

[Bull]

I mean, it's just a garage and tool forum

No way. It is more than "just" a garage and tool forum. I mean, come one...SEMA asks about you.

 

[rickairmedic]

Ryan I personally appreciate what you are doing here . I have been a member from back in ( the old days ) . I know there are alot of great guys here and alot of great ideas get posted here to make our Caves into a great place to hang out . I have also noticed the flame wars have gotten pretty bad over the last couple years and I find it sad that people think it is necessary to belittle another person on a board for their likes or dislikes or whatever other reasons . I feel like we are all here to help each other in one way or another and enjoy looking at the basic well worked garages as much as the OVER THE TOP showplaces. Thank you and the Mods for keeping this place a nice freindly place we can all come to and hang out .


Rick

 

[Dan in Pasadena]

I'm pretty new here but I like this effort. It shows me that the moderator is TRYING to keep down the political bashing, name calling and F-bomb dropping that goes on other sites.

In the last year I ultimately sold a project car and dropped off a parts seller's forum site because I got SICK of getting bashed just because my location is Southern California. The moderators there would do nothing, THEIR politics didn't seem to let them deal with it. When I got fed up and responded to the offenders - always respectfully, without name calling or profanity, all it did was rev them up more. So I regrettably said, "Who needs this?" and bailed. I've noticed at least a couple of other guys from that forum are here and that they are NOT on the other forum much anymore.

Bottomline, if you want to discuss neat garages and their uses, cool tools, this is the place. If you make a light-hearted joke about the college flag hanging in the guy's garage and he is a reasonable person, chances are it will be taken lightly. If you pepper your joke with profanity or are intentionally disrespectful, reasonable people know you're being combative, not playful. I don't think reasonable people need too much clarification, they know how to act. Chances are the people who are most uncertain what Ryan' new approach means are the ones who suspect their own personalities are a problem?

 

[caper]

I'm hoping the report button thing will work but I also realize there are many people who don't post much or at all that will have no problem reporting a post or a member for something they don't like.I've had members PM me about my avatar who I've never heard of.Members will do things anonymously that they would never do publicly.I hope you take into account each report on a case by case basis,consider who is reporting what about who.To have somebody who has never posted to the board report some small infraction that somebody with a thousand posts has would seem counterproductive.The senior members who keep the board moving would be banned in short order and then your left with a huge membership that doesn't post.Lets face it out of the thousands of members on the board how many of them are regular posters versus lurkers.My own personal opinion,and it's just an opinion,is that you would be better served by having a few more moderators who have clear instructions on what's acceptable and what's not.I'm unsure of how many you have now but I'm sure there are times when none are online and that's when most of the flame fests happen.It's your forum to do with as you please Ryan,I hope the new plan works for you as I do believe there has been a huge change in the board in the last few years,And thanks for the great place to hang out.

 

[Bull]

Caper makes good points.

We live in an age where for every thing you do or say, there is someone out there who will be "offended."

 

[babzog]

Chances are the people who are most uncertain what Ryan' new approach means are the ones who suspect their own personalities are a problem?

No, it's the general vagueness of the word "drama" that, I feel, needs clarification. What is drama (at least, the drama that is to be avoided)? To some, "science fiction" is merely "drama in space", whereas others might see it as "action" or "fantasy". I think some of the definition of drama as intended by Ryan has been fleshed out earlier in this thread... perhaps it can simply be itemized and included it in the rules/code of etiquette/etc (if not already).

My own personal opinion,and it's just an opinion,is that you would be better served by having a few more moderators who have clear instructions on what's acceptable and what's not.I'm unsure of how many you have now but I'm sure there are times when none are online and that's when most of the flame fests happen.

That's a really good idea. I doin't know if or how that would fit with Ryan's plans, but, Ryan, if you have a few more folks whom you'd trust to moderate to your standards, would that be an option you'd consider?

Just thoughts to help smooth all of this out.

 

[Kona Cruisers]

IF you dont like the rules the RYAN (the OWNER of this forum!!!) wants to impose... go start your own. DAMN this is his house... He can make the rules...

 

[Bull]

IF you dont like the rules the RYAN (the OWNER of this forum!!!) wants to impose... go start your own. DAMN this is his house... He can make the rules...

Did someone in this thread say they did not like the rules? I must have missed that one, but maybe I didn't read as carefully as I should have.

Some like myself asked for a clarification of the rules. The best way to live by the law, is to know the law.

 

[Merkava_4]

I'm thinking a written warning from the administrator after the member has committed his first offense would be a much more effective deterrent to further offensive behavior than issuing an infraction right off the bat - cold turkey. The member could be given the chance to delete his own offending post - which in my mind would be just as effective as being issued an infraction. Having the dark cloud of an infraction hanging overhead is extremely discouraging and depressing for the member who used to think of himself as a helpful and valued contributor to the board. But now that the infraction system has been fully implemented, I would ask of the administrator to please consider lifting the infraction off the member's record after one full year from the date of entry.

 

[little d]

Ryan, THANK YOU. having been involved with putting on events, i can only imagen what it takes to run a form, day in and day out. you sir, and your mods, run 3 of the best out there, imho. its realy nice to have a place where i can go and share ideas with outhers with out a bunch of b.s.

 

[Bull]

The thing about infractions is that no one is really going to know you got one unless you tell them. Also, since it's a three-strikes deal, the first one shouldn't be hanging over you like a cloud...if it makes you think before posting something potentially insulting, then I guess it's doing the job it was designed to do, right?

JMO.

 

[Daniel Dudley]

Bull, whatever you guys are doing seems to be working.

 

[Mickey O]

Caper makes good points.

We live in an age where for every thing you do or say, there is someone out there who will be "offended."

There is no shortage of whiny cry babies everywhere you go.

 

[aar0s]

This is probably the best web forum that i have ever seen. I think that it's got to do as much with the mod's (only four mod's for this site just blows my mind) as it has to do with the level of maturity of the users. This isn't the kind of hobby (if you can call what we do a hobby but that word seems to fit best) that kids are going to jump into, some guys on here have taken YEARS to put together their tool collections. These tools that we discuss and use, garages that we spend lots of time in and cars that we work on are not cheep, and I think that keeps most of the riff raff out. The maturity level is much higher here than on other sites and that lends to a better forum.
you guys *all of you* do a great job keeping this place running smoothly.

 

[rustbucket49]

I didn't read all of the thread, but if you want to see what Ryan is talking about, spend some time on the Miller Welding forum. It was getting brutal on that for a while. I'm sure they clamped down on it, but for a while it was pretty nasty.

The HAMB site has gotten kinda bad about F-bombs too..... I'd rather have it relatively clean - never know when the kids will be reading over your shoulder.

 

[Bull]

I used to spend a lot of time on a vintage Pontiac board. Most of the sections of the site were fine, but there is a "Clubhouse" that is sort of like Free Parking here, but really nothing like it at all. That place just plain *****, and it kind of turned me off of the entire site. people would go out of their way to be completely nasty and hostile, just for the sport of it. If I have car questions, chances are someone on here will be able to help me, anyway.