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What do you mean by not very good? Out of level or cant see the beam or what?
 

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75' max = dark room conditions

If it has the pulse feature you can use a laser detector (link) to locate the line, otherwise you are dealing with the light conditions


Also note that is Boschs weakest laser, you get what you get
 

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I should add since I wrote my thoughts above ,I did move up to the Hilti 3x360 laser. I was forced to when someone decided to take my Dewalt 3 x360 off the tripod and whisk it off the jobsite during lunch. My company re-imbursed me the Dewalt cost and I moved up to the $800 Hilti. Its a very good laser but most likely not an option for the OP. Also a co-worker bought the Bosch 3x 360 green laser, it is accurate,sharp lines BUT it's only power source is AA batteries and it eats them very,very fast.
 
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I bought this guy the other day and it’s fine for stuff 5-10feet away but at 20 feet it’s not very good at all. It’s suppose to be the 75ft model



Bosch GLL75-40G Green-Beam Self-Leveling Cross-Line Laser, Amazon Edition https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07DN5ZN14/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_Q527890C0Q78DZK9Y1YF

Are you trying to use it indoors or outdoors? Like mentioned 75 feet is indoor in the perfect lighting condition. I have the bosch 200 footer and outside it's useless without a receiver. But that's just a given with a laser. We have the new milwaukee at work and same thing. Also have a few rotating laser levels for shooting grades when doing dirt work and same thing, still need a receiver.

The red lasers I believe are easier to see. I just ordered the Bosch GLL3-300.
Green is easier to see, especially outdoors.
 

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I bought this guy the other day and it’s fine for stuff 5-10feet away but at 20 feet it’s not very good at all. It’s suppose to be the 75ft model



Bosch GLL75-40G Green-Beam Self-Leveling Cross-Line Laser, Amazon Edition https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07DN5ZN14/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_Q527890C0Q78DZK9Y1YF
Ambient lighting affects all laser levels/squares.....

That said I didn't have trouble getting over 10 feet with this...

 

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Ambient lighting affects all laser levels/squares.....

That said I didn't have trouble getting over 10 feet with this...

I bought one of those for doing tile work without reading the specs. Plus or minus 3/16" in 33'. That's horrible accuracy. Anything over a 5 by 5 foot tile job and you are way off. Threw mine in the garbage and went and got the bosch that is 1/4" in 100 feet I believe. So that one is almost 3 times less accurate then a good laser. A good laser is way more expensive but well worth it.
 

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Indoors/outdoors makes a huge difference as well, as others have noted. OP has not jumped back it to give us more info. Might be using the weekend to get some projects done...
 

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Green is the better visibility option
That is what everybody says…so I go buy a Bosch to replace my red Bosch and guess what…same brightness in all conditions for me…so I just returned it. When researching the differences I found that they all have the same amount of power output…I guess most folks like the visibility of the green better.

I would pay a few hundred buck more for a REALLY powerful laser that could be used outdoors…if somebody knows one please advise me.
 

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That is what everybody says…so I go buy a Bosch to replace my red Bosch and guess what…same brightness in all conditions for me…so I just returned it. When researching the differences I found that they all have the same amount of power output…I guess most folks like the visibility of the green better.

I would pay a few hundred buck more for a REALLY powerful laser that could be used outdoors…if somebody knows one please advise me.
All the ones you would use outdoors are really only great with the receiver.
 

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I bought one of those for doing tile work without reading the specs. Plus or minus 3/16" in 33'. That's horrible accuracy. Anything over a 5 by 5 foot tile job and you are way off. Threw mine in the garbage and went and got the bosch that is 1/4" in 100 feet I believe. So that one is almost 3 times less accurate then a good laser. A good laser is way more expensive but well worth it.
Pull that out of the garbage and I'll gladly take it.
I've done a lot of tile work and 3/16" over 33' doing tile work...User error will get you off by more than that just with spacer cross settings. That's 1/16" per 11 feet and is absolutely negligible. Between spacers, thinset, and any custom cuts made... even factory cuts of said tile can be off by 1/16" per 11 pieces of 12x12's and is well within acceptable tolerances.
Sixty two and one half thousandths....
.0625 over an 11 foot span is undetectable
 

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That is what everybody says…so I go buy a Bosch to replace my red Bosch and guess what…same brightness in all conditions for me…so I just returned it. When researching the differences I found that they all have the same amount of power output…I guess most folks like the visibility of the green better.

I would pay a few hundred buck more for a REALLY powerful laser that could be used outdoors…if somebody knows one please advise me.
 

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Pull that out of the garbage and I'll gladly take it.
I've done a lot of tile work and 3/16" over 33' doing tile work...User error will get you off by more than that just with spacer cross settings. That's 1/16" per 11 feet and is absolutely negligible. Between spacers, thinset, and any custom cuts made... even factory cuts of said tile can be off by 1/16" per 11 pieces of 12x12's and is well within acceptable tolerances.
Sixty two and one half thousandths....
.0625 over an 11 foot span is undetectable
It's long gone. Custom cutting a 1/16" off tiles to make up for a crappy laser? Ya that not going to work. Like I said, for a 5x5 floor it would be great. I was doing a lot more then that. Including a 4000 sq ft restaurant floor. Going around a wall and trying to yet rules to meet up with that laser was useless. Bought a 500 dollar laser and I could lay out all 4000 sq ft going around all sorts of walls and have everything line up.

Guess it all depends on your quality of work. If you want to make things easy and have tiles line up then pay for an accurate laser. If close enough is good for you and you "custom" cut tiles to fit and may have 1/8" to 1/2" grout joints and be happy with your work, then by all means buy the cheapest laser you can find and slap that **** down. Just make sure you buy a 100 dollar miter saw to slap the trim on also because 42 to 48 degree miters are close enough. Just slap some caulk or putty in there. Lol
 

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That is what everybody says…so I go buy a Bosch to replace my red Bosch and guess what…same brightness in all conditions for me…so I just returned it. When researching the differences I found that they all have the same amount of power output…I guess most folks like the visibility of the green better.

I would pay a few hundred buck more for a REALLY powerful laser that could be used outdoors…if somebody knows one please advise me.
For a few hundred bucks more you buy a receiver and can see for 2 to 300 feet outdoors. No laser is going to do good outdoors without a receiver.
 

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It's long gone. Custom cutting a 1/16" off tiles to make up for a crappy laser? Ya that not going to work. Like I said, for a 5x5 floor it would be great. I was doing a lot more then that. Including a 4000 sq ft restaurant floor. Going around a wall and trying to yet rules to meet up with that laser was useless. Bought a 500 dollar laser and I could lay out all 4000 sq ft going around all sorts of walls and have everything line up.

Guess it all depends on your quality of work. If you want to make things easy and have tiles line up then pay for an accurate laser. If close enough is good for you and you "custom" cut tiles to fit and may have 1/8" to 1/2" grout joints and be happy with your work, then by all means buy the cheapest laser you can find and slap that **** down. Just make sure you buy a 100 dollar miter saw to slap the trim on also because 42 to 48 degree miters are close enough. Just slap some caulk or putty in there. Lol
You're using extreme, possibly sarcastic examples, that just don't apply.
Nobody is talking about a difference of a 1/8" grout joint to a 1/2" joint nor cutting 1/16" off a tile to make up for a laser.

That little laser square is accurate to within 3/16 over 33 feet.
I don't know about you but I don't lay 33 feet of thinset, then set tile, then put in spacers, and move along.
Even if I did one row of 33 feet x 12" and the center of the grout line is off .1875 over the 33 feet...that's pretty incredible considering human error just in placing spacers could be off by .025 on one tile, and two tiles later be off .045 , etc etc..now we are over 1/16" and haven't hit 11 feet yet.
The tile work my son and I've done (he has a big flooring business) has been spot on with major compliments and gets tons of referrals.
In his tile experience which is a ton..my earlier background in machining dealing with measurements much tighter than carpentry and flooring...that 3/16" laser tolerance over a 33 foot span is insignificant and actually given the fact we're only working with about 10 feet at time that tolerance just dropped to 62 and one half thousandth.
We really like that laser from DeWalt with it's 45 degree capability and accuracy ease of wall mounting, etc.

There's plenty of other lasers out there for you to purchase though
 
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You're using extreme, possibly sarcastic examples, that just don't apply.
Nobody is talking about a difference of a 1/8" grout joint to a 1/2" joint nor cutting 1/16" off a tile to make up for a laser.

That little laser square is accurate to within 3/16 over 33 feet.
I don't know about you but I don't lay 33 feet of thinset, then set tile, then put in spacers, and move along.
Even if I did one row of 33 feet x 12" and the center of the grout line is off .1875 over the 33 feet...that's pretty incredible considering human error just in placing spacers could be off by .025 on one tile, and two tiles later be off .045 , etc etc..now we are over 1/16" and haven't hit 11 feet yet.
The tile work my son and I've done (he has a big flooring business) has been spot on with major compliments and gets tons of referrals.
In his tile experience which is a ton..my earlier background in machining dealing with measurements much tighter than carpentry and flooring...that 3/16" laser tolerance over a 33 foot span is insignificant and actually given the fact we're only working with about 10 feet at time that tolerance just dropped to 62 and one half thousandth.
We really like that laser from DeWalt with it's 45 degree capability and accuracy ease of wall mounting, etc.

There's plenty of other lasers out there for you to purchase though
Yes the specs on the Bosch,Dewalt,Milwaukee,Hilti,Leica,Huepar are all very similar. In the real world where I install martkerboards/tackboards/aluminum angle on the walls of remodeled auto industry offices it does matter. 3/16 of an inch in 33 ft IS a big deal. What we experienced with the sub-$200 Bosch lasers is the line would drop at the outer edges of a room layout. Sometimes as much as 1/4" in 12 feet. It wasn't just 1 laser,happened with 2-3 different units ,both red and green and made by Bosch. As of yet in 3 years we have not experienced the same results with Dewalt,Milwaukee,Huepar, or Hilti. And in 3 years several of us have moved from the 3aa battery powered cross beam,to the 12v crossbeam,then further with the 3x360 lasers. The brightness,line consistency,crispness is vastly improved. But I will say each one has a place. In my upcoming install we will be putting a significant amount of aluminum 4 inches off the floor. I spent an hour last week mounting each of my 3 lasers to various brackets/on a bench/off the floor etc. The Hilti at it's lowest point will not get to the 5-1/4 inches I need(4 inches + 1-1/4 inch aluminum) But both the 3aa Dewalt and the 12v Dewalt will. For the upcoming project my cart will be outfitted with 2 lasers. A few of these pictures are where a (former) employee thought it was "close enough". FWIW our trim detail is 1/8 inch reveals around all components so when you have a 0 reveal at the bottom and a 1/4 inch at the top it WILL get red flagged. squareness,plumb and level are pretty important on a daily basis for me.
 

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You're using extreme, possibly sarcastic examples, that just don't apply.
Nobody is talking about a difference of a 1/8" grout joint to a 1/2" joint nor cutting 1/16" off a tile to make up for a laser.

That little laser square is accurate to within 3/16 over 33 feet.
I don't know about you but I don't lay 33 feet of thinset, then set tile, then put in spacers, and move along.
Even if I did one row of 33 feet x 12" and the center of the grout line is off .1875 over the 33 feet...that's pretty incredible considering human error just in placing spacers could be off by .025 on one tile, and two tiles later be off .045 , etc etc..now we are over 1/16" and haven't hit 11 feet yet.
The tile work my son and I've done (he has a big flooring business) has been spot on with major compliments and gets tons of referrals.
In his tile experience which is a ton..my earlier background in machining dealing with measurements much tighter than carpentry and flooring...that 3/16" laser tolerance over a 33 foot span is insignificant and actually given the fact we're only working with about 10 feet at time that tolerance just dropped to 62 and one half thousandth.
We really like that laser from DeWalt with it's 45 degree capability and accuracy ease of wall mounting, etc.

There's plenty of other lasers out there for you to purchase though
Nothing sarcastic about my comments, just telling you real world experience. I'm glad that laser works for you and like I said for small bathrooms and whatnot it will be great. But for large flooring jobs where you spend a whole day laying out tile going around multiple walls and down intersecting hallways that accuracy is not good enough. Trust me I tried that laser first and then bought the high dollar laser and when laying out big rooms it makes a world of difference and is worth every penny.

I took the time to draw a simple floor plan to explain it better so you don't think I'm sarcastic. In the drawing you have one big building, say 100x80 but I've done much bigger. In this example I drew a starting reference line along the longest wall, say the front of the building. Everything in the whole building will pull off of this line. Now on the lower half of the paper I drew a room with a doorway that the tile will continue into. And on the top half I drew an "L" shaped wall. So using the L shaped wall as an example, I need to shoot perpendicular lines along each side of the wall, arrows going from reference line to the right. If this wall is 60 feet long that means each side could be off by 3/8". So lets do the extreme, which happens a lot in real life actually, when you try to meet the tiles on the far side of the wall you could potentially be off 3/4". That is huge, no adjusting or compensating for that much. Then on the room that you are continuing tile into I need to shoot a perpendicular line into the room and have it be true. If this room is 60' long also that again is 3/8" off possible. These things add up quick when doing big areas and it's so much nicer to have an accurate laser you can trust and just set it and go, that's the whole point of having a laser. Otherwise just use a tape measurer and chalk lines and a couple guys to lay it out. But a good laser saves so much time and takes all the guess out of it. I would not call my scenarios "extreme" or "sarcastic", they are things a flooring company will run into if you do any decent sized jobs. Yes, you can fudge and cheat and get things close enough in most cases. But why do that when an accurate laser can make your job so much easier and take the guess work out of it and increase productivity?

You keep talking about not mattering in 10 or 11 feet. But the OP said they bought a 75' laser and were disappointed that they couldn't see the line over 20 feet. So obviously they are looking for something for longer distances then 10 feet.
 

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Nothing sarcastic about my comments, just telling you real world experience. I'm glad that laser works for you and like I said for small bathrooms and whatnot it will be great. But for large flooring jobs where you spend a whole day laying out tile going around multiple walls and down intersecting hallways that accuracy is not good enough. Trust me I tried that laser first and then bought the high dollar laser and when laying out big rooms it makes a world of difference and is worth every penny.

I took the time to draw a simple floor plan to explain it better so you don't think I'm sarcastic. In the drawing you have one big building, say 100x80 but I've done much bigger. In this example I drew a starting reference line along the longest wall, say the front of the building. Everything in the whole building will pull off of this line. Now on the lower half of the paper I drew a room with a doorway that the tile will continue into. And on the top half I drew an "L" shaped wall. So using the L shaped wall as an example, I need to shoot perpendicular lines along each side of the wall, arrows going from reference line to the right. If this wall is 60 feet long that means each side could be off by 3/8". So lets do the extreme, which happens a lot in real life actually, when you try to meet the tiles on the far side of the wall you could potentially be off 3/4". That is huge, no adjusting or compensating for that much. Then on the room that you are continuing tile into I need to shoot a perpendicular line into the room and have it be true. If this room is 60' long also that again is 3/8" off possible. These things add up quick when doing big areas and it's so much nicer to have an accurate laser you can trust and just set it and go, that's the whole point of having a laser. Otherwise just use a tape measurer and chalk lines and a couple guys to lay it out. But a good laser saves so much time and takes all the guess out of it. I would not call my scenarios "extreme" or "sarcastic", they are things a flooring company will run into if you do any decent sized jobs. Yes, you can fudge and cheat and get things close enough in most cases. But why do that when an accurate laser can make your job so much easier and take the guess work out of it and increase productivity?

You keep talking about not mattering in 10 or 11 feet. But the OP said they bought a 75' laser and were disappointed that they couldn't see the line over 20 feet. So obviously they are looking for something for longer distances then 10 feet.
The OP was complaining of losing his laser @ a much shorter distance than 75 feet to which I replied first and foremost ambient lighting impacts the laser effective distances. All of them (at least within this type of $$$ window) are impacted differently with different ambient lighting. Natural or artificial or both.

Given the complaint was @ 20 feet and the OP said that the Bosch they purchased was ok for 5-10 feet I brought up the DeWalt with which we've had good use over 10 feet.
You specifically said it was garbage because of a 3/16" tolerance @ 33 feet doing tile work which got my attention because my experience with that DeWalt was in Tile work.
I don't care if you're doing 6 feet of tile or 66 feet of tile a variance of 3/16" over 33 feet laying tile is well within acceptable levels.
3/16" is about ten thousandths smaller than a pencil eraser. (.197 thousandths...or 5mm) 3/16" is .1875

There are many variables laying tile but just human error itself can be more than 3/16" over a 33 feet span. Example being laying 33 pieces of tile out then another row of the same tile stacked, then putting in the spacers...most spacers are rubber. If the layer sets the tile and gives it a rock back and forth and goes harder against the spacer than the previous piece of tile, now our grout line just changed several thousandths. That is over a 1 piece 12x12 span. If overlapping tile that just multiplied by 4 potentially.
If you're doing 4000 sq feet are you just bringing in 4000 sq feet of thinset, putting yhe mud down, then laying 4000 sq feet of tile?
I'd like to see that.

In the event you're laying out all 4000 sq feet at once I wouldn't use a laser with a 33' rating.
 

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The OP was complaining of losing his laser @ a much shorter distance than 75 feet to which I replied first and foremost ambient lighting impacts the laser effective distances. All of them (at least within this type of $$$ window) are impacted differently with different ambient lighting. Natural or artificial or both.

Given the complaint was @ 20 feet and the OP said that the Bosch they purchased was ok for 5-10 feet I brought up the DeWalt with which we've had good use over 10 feet.
You specifically said it was garbage because of a 3/16" tolerance @ 33 feet doing tile work which got my attention because my experience with that DeWalt was in Tile work.
I don't care if you're doing 6 feet of tile or 66 feet of tile a variance of 3/16" over 33 feet laying tile is well within acceptable levels.
3/16" is about ten thousandths smaller than a pencil eraser. (.197 thousandths...or 5mm) 3/16" is .1875

There are many variables laying tile but just human error itself can be more than 3/16" over a 33 feet span. Example being laying 33 pieces of tile out then another row of the same tile stacked, then putting in the spacers...most spacers are rubber. If the layer sets the tile and gives it a rock back and forth and goes harder against the spacer than the previous piece of tile, now our grout line just changed several thousandths. That is over a 1 piece 12x12 span. If overlapping tile that just multiplied by 4 potentially.
If you're doing 4000 sq feet are you just bringing in 4000 sq feet of thinset, putting yhe mud down, then laying 4000 sq feet of tile?
I'd like to see that.

In the event you're laying out all 4000 sq feet at once I wouldn't use a laser with a 33' rating.
OP was complaining about not even getting 20 feet out of a 75 foot laser. To me that sounds like he is looking for more then 20 feet, not 10 feet.

I'm not doing 4000 sq ft in one day. And that is where there accurate laser really shines. You can do what you do in a day and next day set up laser and be able to shoot parallel and perpendicular lines and run with it and not even question the accuracy and have everything meet up in the end. I would bet you have never done a job the size I am talking about or the difficulty of running tile around multiple obstacles and having all meet up with the same grout joints.

Yes I said 3/16" over 33 feet wasn't acceptable, still stand by that, IF you are doing anything over small bathroom. So you say that you are off a pencil eraser, but one thing you are forgetting is you have to include that into the grout line that is already there. So in 33 feet your grout line can very from whatever it is, say 1/4" in this case to quarter inch plus or minus a pencil eraser, so pretty much nothing to 7/16". There is no way you can layout a big room like that. If you do, then you are just slapping **** down and calling it good. There is no point in arguing with you. Obviously my standards are higher then yours. I would also wager I have put down way more tile then you have just by reading your posts. But honestly, I could care less. If you are happy with your laser and can't understand how that much play can be a problem, then great. That much inconsistency isn't acceptable in most tile jobs or by most quality tile setters. I'm not here for ******* match. I know what I know and I also get paid very well and have laid hundreds of thousands of sq ft of tile and I know what works. You do you and I will do what I know works and gives great results and makes my job easier. I also own over a dozen lasers and have used several dozen different ones over the last 20 plus years and know what works and what doesn't. You can use what ever you want and I will do the same. Just don't want the OP to expect a 75 foot laser to get accuracy and get a laser that is out more then 3/8" in 75 feet and wonder why his project isn't working out the way he expected. Trying to let the OP know that accuracy matters in some circumstances and trying to explain what to expect when buying different lasers.
 

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That is what everybody says…so I go buy a Bosch to replace my red Bosch and guess what…same brightness in all conditions for me…so I just returned it. When researching the differences I found that they all have the same amount of power output…I guess most folks like the visibility of the green better.

I would pay a few hundred buck more for a REALLY powerful laser that could be used outdoors…if somebody knows one please advise me.

I think the limit on brightness is related to preventing damage to eyesight rather than an inability to make a device with long range outdoor visibility. If you aren't adverse to using a laser with a receiver, about $850 will buy a Topcon with receiver that has a 3000 ft range and an accuracy of 1/16" at 100 ft.
 

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I think the limit on brightness is related to preventing damage to eyesight rather than an inability to make a device with long range outdoor visibility. If you aren't adverse to using a laser with a receiver, about $850 will buy a Topcon with receiver that has a 3000 ft range and an accuracy of 1/16" at 100 ft.
This is what will likely be the outcome. There are some high end lazer manufacturers that build quality tools for surveying and field work that will last my lifetime. The receiver is just part of the equation, I have come to realize, if I want daytime outdoor use. Thanks.
 

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OP was complaining about not even getting 20 feet out of a 75 foot laser. To me that sounds like he is looking for more then 20 feet, not 10 feet.

I'm not doing 4000 sq ft in one day. And that is where there accurate laser really shines. You can do what you do in a day and next day set up laser and be able to shoot parallel and perpendicular lines and run with it and not even question the accuracy and have everything meet up in the end. I would bet you have never done a job the size I am talking about or the difficulty of running tile around multiple obstacles and having all meet up with the same grout joints.

Yes I said 3/16" over 33 feet wasn't acceptable, still stand by that, IF you are doing anything over small bathroom. So you say that you are off a pencil eraser, but one thing you are forgetting is you have to include that into the grout line that is already there. So in 33 feet your grout line can very from whatever it is, say 1/4" in this case to quarter inch plus or minus a pencil eraser, so pretty much nothing to 7/16". There is no way you can layout a big room like that. If you do, then you are just slapping **** down and calling it good. There is no point in arguing with you. Obviously my standards are higher then yours. I would also wager I have put down way more tile then you have just by reading your posts. But honestly, I could care less. If you are happy with your laser and can't understand how that much play can be a problem, then great. That much inconsistency isn't acceptable in most tile jobs or by most quality tile setters. I'm not here for ******* match. I know what I know and I also get paid very well and have laid hundreds of thousands of sq ft of tile and I know what works. You do you and I will do what I know works and gives great results and makes my job easier. I also own over a dozen lasers and have used several dozen different ones over the last 20 plus years and know what works and what doesn't. You can use what ever you want and I will do the same. Just don't want the OP to expect a 75 foot laser to get accuracy and get a laser that is out more then 3/8" in 75 feet and wonder why his project isn't working out the way he expected. Trying to let the OP know that accuracy matters in some circumstances and trying to explain what to expect when buying different lasers.
Accuracy most certainly matters and pending the job it needs to spot on 101 percent with zero tolerance or in the case of floor tile, which you brought up, there are intangibles that will prevent that from happening nor does it need to be. We aren't talking a grout line looking like a dog's hind leg.
Just human tolerance alone can have a grout line off by 1/16" over 11 feet. Removing the laser and if our reference is a long straight edge,(hoping and provided it's perfectly square)starting in the middle of the room and lay 10 feet of tile measuring each one to the other human tile placement after a rocking setting on the thin set will get you off sixty two and a half thousandths over an 11 piece span.
Sixty two and a half thousandths off over 11 feet in flooring tile is absolutely negligible.

The above said if I'm doing tile to a 4000 sq ft area I'm doing only so far...(probably around 8-12 pieces at most,) then reset.
I'd never trust any laser to shoot 4000 sq feet as you used for example and just go laying tile to completion.
It doesn't take long to reset (just move another 10 feet or so and continue on the tile row.
I wouldn't trust a laser...even Dr. EVIL'S LAZZURRR...to shoot 4000 square feet without resetting.

That's just me though and being extra peculiar with floor tile.

Regardless the OP's issue was losing the laser after a certain distance but they're all impacted by the ambient lighting/source. Natural or artificial etc..etc

I didn't see the OP's exact expectations if added later on other than the laser the OP purchased didn't go the advertised feet listed.
Many intangibles impact that "advertised listing"
 

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I'll just agree to disagree because I've tried to explain it and even drew a picture but you don't get it. And like I said great for you if your laser accuracy is good enough for your quality of work. It's not for what I do. And of course I reset my laser on a 4000 sq ft job, if you even looked at the picture I took the time to draw I showed how I start with one reference line and then shoot multiple perpendicular lines off that starting line. This resetting is exactly where you need accuracy. If each time I reset I'm off another 3/16" to 3/8" on each line then your project will be a mess and you might as well not even be using a laser. Like I said, I have used many lasers in many different scenarios and I know what works and what doesn't and how an accurate laser can make your job and how an inaccurate laser can screw you over. No sense in arguing anymore, we each have a laser that works for us.

OP, guess it all depends. How often are you using this? I have had to turn lights down before to even use my "200" foot lasers. It's just part of the game. I just installed a bunch of sound panels on the ceiling of a restaurant and had to lay them out from the floor with a laser. I worked at night when the restaurant was closed so no sunlight to affect it. But even then I had to dim or turn off the lights in the area I was working in. This was even on a black ceiling and my 200' laser was difficult to see 20' up with full lights. At 4' in your bumper example I would think you would get a clear defined line from just about any laser. 15 to 20 feet you should be able to see unless the lights are super bright. Also, even if you can't see a clear line, a lot of times you can go over and shield the line from the lights with your hand and be able to see it. Or use a laser card to see the line, https://www.google.com/search?q=las...i57j0i512l9.2063j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8. So for your cabinets you can set up your laser and then go over to the wall and use a laser card to get the line and then put a few pencil marks on the wall at the laser line. A laser isn't perfect, but it's a good tool to have and you just have to work with it and overcome things like light that affect the laser.
 
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GophersGarage

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Very good points. The bumper example did work and was fine. I was just trying to say I didn't need a $200 laser for that type of work.

In my price range would you keep the Bosch or put funds towards a different brand or model?
 

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I just took a quick glance at that bosch and it looks like a decent laser for that price. To be honest I'm not up to date with other brands or models in that price range. The only thing I will say is that if you ever need to shoot a 90 degree line for framing walls or laying out floor tiles that two plane laser won't do it. So if you do plan on using it for that kind of stuff you may want to see if there is a 3 plane laser or a 2 plane with a 3rd dot laser to give you the option for those types of things. Bosch has some good lasers, one of my go to lasers is a bosch 3 plane.
 

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Ive had several Huepar models now (and PLS, Bosch, Hilti)
Huepar great bang for the buck

Amazon and Huepar site have deals, heres my newest model

Heupar 604CG-L

no frills, 4 lines ,level lock, pulse (for detector), dual battery+ AC cord
no screen, no bluetooth, less to break
 

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We have guys using the Huepar lasers and while not quite a Hilti,DeWalt or Leica , they have been durable,accurate enough in any field trials we've run,can accessorize with a receiver if needed. I have not used the receiver so I have no opinion on it. For a homeowner, weekend warrior ,or even a pro not using a laser day in day out the Huepar will be very good. Our ONLY issue with the Huepar was battery life versus run all day with the bigger 12v/20v lasers. what the Huepar will do,is run for days on a small battery pack/portable charger which should remove any fear/doubts of the small oem battery. I believe the one linked above by Tarbellb is lower cost than the OP's Bosch, has 2 more beams,versatility,greater range and a host of possibilities for less money.

Edit to add: Tripods,bases,brackets all play a factor as well. based upon needs look into a bracket/mount with a fine tuning adjustment. It will save a lot of frustration when trying to hit a certain point/line/layout.
 

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My Bosch Professional GLL3-300 3-plane cross-line laser came in today. $230 brand new in box. These usually sell for $400. What a beautiful instrument! Rated at 200' Tested it in my shop, only about 30', but clear and bright line. Couldn't be happier.

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My Bosch Professional GLL3-300 3-plane cross-line laser came in today. $230 brand new in box. These usually sell for $400. What a beautiful instrument! Rated at 200' Tested it in my shop, only about 30', but clear and bright line. Couldn't be happier.

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I have that one…you will likely want to get the adjustable pole that clamp mounts too as well. Comes in very handy even indoors when mounting cabinets etc. ironically, in an above post that was the unit I was trying to improve on by buying the green laser.
 
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