Help needed..

[gnab2]

I am building a shop and the builders ran into an issue digging the holes, ROCK. They are saying that it will cost an extra $3200 to drill the rock for the post to go in or I can change to a stick built with gurts instead of post built. Many houses are built with being stick but is it still the same over the long haul? I think that if they beam it with Jbolts it should be fine. I would just like y'alls input.

30x50 with 12' walls.... 14Wx10H and a 10Wx10H doors and a man door with one 3x3 window.

 

[Richard Cranium]

I would rather have a stick built shop over a pole building any day.

 

[matt_i]

My vote for stick-built without a foundation extending below the frost line = No.

The bottom of the poles/posts are placed below the frostline, typically, and the hybrid construction proposed would suggest it would simply be built on a slab subject to frost heave.

 

[Rkbuell]

Lovely 4in. Pipe pole building. Completely welded structure. Standing strong hurricanes 0 building 2.

 

[gnab2]

There is really no frost line. I am in Central Texas and it rarely gets below freezing for more than 2 days a year. They are putting the trusses on 24" centers I think that if they go with 2x6s they should be ok on 24". I think that with the 2x6 girts on the outside it should be fine. I plan on OSBing the inside walls. I will just have to watch them closely to make sure it is sound.

Thanks again.

 

[Cypherian]

There is really no frost line. I am in Central Texas and it rarely gets below freezing for more than 2 days a year. They are putting the trusses on 24" centers I think that if they go with 2x6s they should be ok on 24". I think that with the 2x6 girts on the outside it should be fine. I plan on OSBing the inside walls. I will just have to watch them closely to make sure it is sound.

Thanks again.

They hit rock or caliche ? I would go with stick on a slab with proper depth footers etc. When I lived in Austin that is what was done most of the time. I did put up a car port with 4x4 and we hit caliche had to buy a friend of mine a new drill for his post hole digger when we were done but got through it with a rented jack hammer long nose piece and the drill . Though it was only a thin band .

Cypher

 

[gnab2]

They hit rock or caliche ? I would go with stick on a slab with proper depth footers etc. When I lived in Austin that is what was done most of the time. I did put up a car port with 4x4 and we hit caliche had to buy a friend of mine a new drill for his post hole digger when we were done but got through it with a rented jack hammer long nose piece and the drill . Though it was only a thin band .

Cypher

No this is rock. I am by Wimberly and the limestone and snake rock is bad.

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[Thumper68]

My vote for stick-built without a foundation extending below the frost line = No.

The bottom of the poles/posts are placed below the frostline, typically, and the hybrid construction proposed would suggest it would simply be built on a slab subject to frost heave.

You know I see this all the time, my shop 32x40 is on a slab with grade beams, most of the unattached garages in this area are as well and I can count on my fingers the number of failures I have seen.

It is all in proper prep, if you have the proper base the contiguous slab floats on the top, good planning with rebar and good concrete make all the difference.

BTW our frost line is at 52 inches per the latest code.

 

[ddawg16]

Another vote for stick built. It really makes the interior a lot easier.

 

[James-W]

Stick built gets my vote. Nothing against pole barns, they are fine, I just prefer stick built. I guess I am old and set in my ways.

 

[Dr Stan]

I would rather have a stick built shop over a pole building any day.

 

[ssdave]

I'd go with stick built. Lot better in the long run. What do you do when the posts rot or termites get into them? And, the pole building is a lot harder to finish into something nice inside.

 

[RWorth]

Stick built. There is no better foundation than rock in the ground that hasn't moved for 1,000,000 years.

 

[Pluribus]

Stick built. There is no better foundation than rock in the ground that hasn't moved for 1,000,000 years.

Plug the following words into a search engine, and you'll get quite a few links to information, methods, opinions, etc: "drill pin foundation bedrock" Add: "rebar epoxy" if you want to narrow it down.

Personally, I'm also a fan of stick built, and that upcharge to drill for posts just narrows the gap of the increased cost to go that route.

 

[ard]

I feel like a stick built will give me better air/permeability control, be easier to insulate well and therefore heat and cool...

 

[billgreenwood]

I am a little northeast of you just outside of Ft. Hood and I have a large amount of rock just below the surface in my yard. I did a lot of research and had several builders of varying building types come give me bids. The one that stuck with me the most was when I had Morton Buildings come out. He looked at the amount of rock showing through on top and said it would be easier and cheaper to mount the pole building on top of the concrete rather than sink the poles 48 inches down as one would do with a traditional pole barn. Ultimately I didn't go with morton but I did use their suggestion as to how I should build the barn. I had the site leveled and a 4 inch slab with 12x12 footers and rebar throughout poured. I had the barn company supply brackets with my building to anchor the poles to the concrete. The brackets are held down by a 5/8x6 inch bolt on each side of the bracket. The poles are then held into the bracket by a pair of small lag screws and a pair of large bolts that go all the way through the bracket and post together. Sorry about the long post. I can give you more details and some pictures later if you want. All in all I am quite happy with how my building is put together (diy) and the poles are quite sturdy on top of the concrete.

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[gnab2]

I am looking into renting a backhoe and jackhammer to see what I have. I would think that if you build pole barns all over Texas you would know west of I-35 you will be in rock. They are trying to put me on the hook for the whole hole bill.

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[billgreenwood]

I am looking into renting a backhoe and jackhammer to see what I have. I would think that if you build pole barns all over Texas you would know west of I-35 you will be in rock. They are trying to put me on the hook for the whole hole bill.

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Do you have a contract signed? If there is a contract, does it say anything about unforeseen costs? If it doesn't say anything about you being on the hook for unforeseen costs then it sounds like their problem to me.

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[gnab2]

I have checked the contract and the wording is vague. It reads like I'm on the hook. At this point I just want to get the holes drilled, get these guys to get the building done and have them go away.

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[pstnbly]

A private line construction company in your area may have a rock drill rig for setting utility poles. One company here does. They could make quick work of those holes.

 

[dwsmith]

My 30X54X12'-9" high (inside) is stick built on a four foot foundation using foam forms. I love my stick built as opposed to the pole barn type structure! It is 2X6 walls and insulated. Like one other comment-it is covered with OSB on the walls and metal on roof. Insulated walls and ceiling and is nice and toasty all winter long. Could NOT be happier. Good luck with your build; hope you are in it soon and loving the projects.

 

[fireguy]

"I will just have to watch them closely to make sure it is sound."

Why would you sign a contract with someone you do not trust? And how do you know "it" is sound?

 

[gnab2]

You try to do all the research on a company but you never know.

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