jayemm
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Send them back, give negative feedback and buy a new set of a different brand unless you score a "snappy deal".
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Gents, I did send these back to the seller. So far, he has been cooperative.
i haven’t seen my money yet. I fully intend to write a positive review.
in the Big Picture, seller DID back up his sale. Some could say “pound sand”
As another poster wrote in. All in all I have never had a problem with ANY item I
Ppurchased from EBay. I did receive a wiper motor that had a tab broken off.
I wrote and photographed the damage. Seller was Over-The-Top to make it right.
Offering to send out a completely new part. i Tried the part in my SUV.
It was a little loose , but it worked. End of story. That seller is on my Favorites list.
Seller of these tools are on my No-Fly list.
i haven’t seen my money yet. I fully intend to write a positive review.
in the Big Picture, seller DID back up his sale. Some could say “pound sand”
As another poster wrote in. All in all I have never had a problem with ANY item I
Ppurchased from EBay. I did receive a wiper motor that had a tab broken off.
I wrote and photographed the damage. Seller was Over-The-Top to make it right.
Offering to send out a completely new part. i Tried the part in my SUV.
It was a little loose , but it worked. End of story. That seller is on my Favorites list.
Seller of these tools are on my No-Fly list.
rust in the eye
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WHY!?
No review if you wish to be kind. If nothing nice to say then nothing at all.
You got disappointed because you saw a good rating, perhaps an undeserved one.
If he tells you to pound sand you can take it to ebay, the evidence is in your favor.
Do the community a favor and don't give the guy an A when at best he deserves a D
I'd be curious to see if the new listing for these is more forthcoming.
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Ya, but it's Snap On.
Besides, a new set is $300, so it was a bargain - until it was discovered they were "branded"
Sure, then they'd get burned with a SNAD
- Unspecified Flaws: An item has a strong odor (smoke, mildew) or significant scratches/dents not mentioned in the description.
The seller - No matter how wonderful, was trying to pull a fast one, IMO. We used to sell on eBay. No way would I list something engraved without disclosing it, including images.
Just asking for trouble - which was exactly what the OP's seller got (and deserved).
finn
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All the same, if looking like new is important, then you should just buy new and not try to pinch pennies… Or I guess it should be pinch nickels now…. and set yourself up for disappointment.They'd care if they paid good money for them and did not know in advance, they were engraved.
This has come up here more than once and good eBay sellers will disclose them up front.
Stupid Question: Engravings and Value
I've noted on fleabay and elsewhere, tool ads that declare "no engravings". How much and why does it reduce value so much, and is engraving in the minority due to the lower resale? Are engraved tools that much of a gamble?www.garagejournal.com
I don’t disagree that if that secondary market values tools more highly if they don’t have markings, the markings should at least be highlighted. But they rarely are. If the lack of markings aren’t specifically called out, it being a used tool, I would default to assuming there are markings. If the op doesn’t do that, he can always ask the seller if there are markings, if it’s important to him.
On the other hand, I avoid the secondary market at all possible if I can’t fondle the item in person.
I find eBay sellers in general are the type of people I tend to avoid, and haven’t been in a pawn shop for twenty years for the same reason. That’s my choice. I also avoid used car sellers to the extent possible. When I sell a car, I try to divulge everything, which probably costs me money…but my objective is to get it out of my life, not make money by screwing someone.
If I buy a used car that has 20000 miles and the seller says “like new” I know that’s impossible. Nothing that is used is “like new”.
The Metric System
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My favorite is the ones that claim "mint condition" followed by a long list of modifications.
3baygarage
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There are all kinds of gooses out there, including the one who sold me a Snap-on breaker bar with the handle flipped over, and sent me a Horrible Fright with the similar red/black color handle.
Anybody remember that one?
Anybody remember that one?
So what disagreement are we settling?
So, you would pay the same amount for a used car, that was all scraped up and smelled like cat piss inside, as a similar unit in very good condition?
They both go down the road the same, right?
You buy new (good for you) , but a lot of people buy Snap On used on eBay, a huge amount. They want to pay according to condition, just like anything else.
I think we all can agree the OP would likely not purchased those tools at that price, knowing they were engraved. Exactly why the sell hid that fact.
3baygarage
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The one amongst ourselves apparently.
So....the OP trolled us?The one amongst ourselves apparently.
3baygarage
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Well, it got everybody going.
mreisner
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I dabble in used tools. Everything I sell I make sure I disclose and photograph any engravings or gouges in handles etc. While not affecting performance, some buyers just do not want them. Usually engraved tools bring about 20% less. To not disclose them intentionally is dishonest in my mind.
ChevyEFI
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My wife found a used set of Alpine Stars on marketplace. Growing boys. Dirt bikes Christmas. And sent me the link. Nowhere could you determine if the buckles were intact. Wonder why? Went new instead.
Don't buy shady **** on eBay like that.
Don't buy shady **** on eBay like that.
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Translation?
Fellow Garage Men,
no trolling here. Not by a long shot. I do not do that. My interest lies
only in what others here expect to receive on Ebay under the used tool header.
i thank everyone who has a comment. I would really like to hear what others have to say.
I have a very different view on selling. I very much OVER disclose an item.
I photograph every detail. I want to make absolutely sure that both myself (seller)
and buyer can walk away and say. “Hey, I think I got a good deal here.“ Anyone who knows
me always wants to buy my cars, mowers, gas powered stuff. I pride myself in having
all items on a car, mower, aircraft etc, work perfectly and as designed
. I despise making excuses up over non functional
problems. If it’s not nearly perfect working order, you WILL be advised. And the price
Will reflect that fact.
Nothing worse than the feeling of getting ripped off. I’m guessing everyone here
has been exposed or experienced a fraud or sketchy deal in the past.
Experiencing a sour deal you never forget the details, yet you prolly can’t remember
the guys name if it was a pleasant experience.
no trolling here. Not by a long shot. I do not do that. My interest lies
only in what others here expect to receive on Ebay under the used tool header.
i thank everyone who has a comment. I would really like to hear what others have to say.
I have a very different view on selling. I very much OVER disclose an item.
I photograph every detail. I want to make absolutely sure that both myself (seller)
and buyer can walk away and say. “Hey, I think I got a good deal here.“ Anyone who knows
me always wants to buy my cars, mowers, gas powered stuff. I pride myself in having
all items on a car, mower, aircraft etc, work perfectly and as designed
. I despise making excuses up over non functional
problems. If it’s not nearly perfect working order, you WILL be advised. And the price
Will reflect that fact.
Nothing worse than the feeling of getting ripped off. I’m guessing everyone here
has been exposed or experienced a fraud or sketchy deal in the past.
Experiencing a sour deal you never forget the details, yet you prolly can’t remember
the guys name if it was a pleasant experience.
ChevyEFI
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There is stuff hidden in pics in the ad? There's probably a reason.
my opinion?
i understand if the op wants a set of s-o nut drivers and doesn't mind used. i have bought many used tools
that said, that does not look like a set of 100 dollar drivers. they just plain old look too beat and that mismatched old handle seals the deal as a no.
my guideline for individuals peices or sets
like new= 80% of new or less
used but good and matched pieces= 70% if rare and 60% if common
usable but not abused and pretty good match= 40%
heavily used and mismatched =25% or less
i heavily discount the value of engraved and or mismatched incomplete sets further yet
so in my book, that set looks heavily used and engraved so i would be hard pressed to see it worth more than 40 bucks as is but that is me. some elbow grease may clean em but it may not. i would also be surprised if the business doesn't show as much or more wear as the handles.
i understand if the op wants a set of s-o nut drivers and doesn't mind used. i have bought many used tools
that said, that does not look like a set of 100 dollar drivers. they just plain old look too beat and that mismatched old handle seals the deal as a no.
my guideline for individuals peices or sets
like new= 80% of new or less
used but good and matched pieces= 70% if rare and 60% if common
usable but not abused and pretty good match= 40%
heavily used and mismatched =25% or less
i heavily discount the value of engraved and or mismatched incomplete sets further yet
so in my book, that set looks heavily used and engraved so i would be hard pressed to see it worth more than 40 bucks as is but that is me. some elbow grease may clean em but it may not. i would also be surprised if the business doesn't show as much or more wear as the handles.
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used tools and bicycles by definition have better than a 50-50 chance there will be initials or a driver's license number engraved somewhere on them.
Buckle's, not buckets. Motocross boots
mngundog
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I was thinking helmets.
rsanter
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If you have not had them long you can return them. File a dispute for items not as described.
This is the correct answer. I would 100% either get a refund or some sort of compensation from him for hiding the marks. And fleabay would happily side with me on it because they are not as described.
Junkman
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I bought a bunch of tools, and they had the initials KD on them. I have no idea who KD is, but he has good taste in tools, and it looked like he never used them.
gatewaysysop
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Just my $.02, but for anything that could possibly have initials on it, I make it a point to ask the seller ahead of time. That way no surprises, and if they've lied, I have them by the balls. So far no problems. If people can't or won't answer, I don't buy.
Yes, people should disclose the presence of owners marks, engraving, etc., at least within reason. If it's legitimately hard to spot and they might have overlooked it, that's one thing. If it's obvious and they just "artfully photographed" the item to hide it, those people should be flogged.
whateg01
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I'm the same way. And if somebody is looking at something I'm selling and isn't sure, I'll tell them to walk away from it if it doesn't make their heart smile.
I bet you are right. And that's why I ask for more pics of stuff if there aren't pics of everything I care about. And if I can't get them, I either walk or I assume there's something being hidden.
whateg01
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That SK dude has his initials on a bunch of stuff too!I bought a bunch of tools, and they had the initials KD on them. I have no idea who KD is, but he has good taste in tools, and it looked like he never used them.
The Metric System
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I have a lot of wrenches that apparently used to be owned by a couple of guys named "Drop Forged" and "Chrome Vanadium".
sparky 1971
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I wouldn't care if there were engravings on a set of used anything, especially tools. That being said, there's no way I'd pay $110 for a set of nut drivers even if they were new.
cherrybomb
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Life is too short,to buy used Snap-on with initials on E-Bay.If your a Snap-on fan boy, just buy new and enjoy!If not their are lots of choices for that amount of money.But the seller did mislead you,initials up,that's honesty,then the buyer decides,if it's what works,return them,you should write an honest review
Cruzan80
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You forgot film equipment.
1Bad55Chevy
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Couldn't you also do the ultimate Dbag move and just claim it not received and force the seller to refund the money and you keep the tools?
My wife use to have an online store and losers use to get mad about things that were not returnable and after long email exchanges file item not received on PayPal for a full refund. They would also wait until the day they received the tracking number and file item not received and PayPal would refund them. PayPal is a real POS platform that always sides with buyers regardless of the situation.
Ebay is just like the car business.... everyone understands what "as is no warranty" means until something happens then it's everyone else's fault except for their own....
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whateg01
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So which are you advising op to do?
(Yes, issue is resolve already, but this is contradictory)
And that’s fine as long as it’s disclosed.
eBay doesn’t work like that at all.
The sellers responsibility to adequately describe the condition of the product. It’s fine selling an automobile on eBay with a ticking engine, but you better disclose that unless you want a problem.. of course that will affect the selling price which is why a lot of people like to hide stuff as did the OP seller.
No one is expecting a warranty. They’re just supposed to get what they paid for based on how the item is described
In the op case the seller was hiding the fact that they were engraved
Lassen Forge
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I've bought stuff (even SO) that were engraved, but they ALWAYS discolsed that it had "owner's marks" on it. As long as the price reflects that I'm cool. (Sometimes even more than one set of initials, numbers, etc, usually lined thru with an engraver, which is what I sometimes do)...
Then there's this guy, must be a pretty prolific tool buyer, guess his name is "Mac"...
I bought a bunch of tools, and they had the initials KD on them. I have no idea who KD is, but he has good taste in tools, and it looked like he never used them.
Then there's this guy, must be a pretty prolific tool buyer, guess his name is "Mac"...