Help With Dimensions And Garage Style

[BuickBoy]

I'm working with the idea of my dream garage and I am having a hard time determining adequate dimensions for my ideas.

I'd like to have two normal size garage bays with one larger for a lift bay (big enough for trucks). Also included in the garage is space for a couple small rooms. The ideal rooms would be a bathroom with stand up shower, kitchenette with room for a table to sit at and close the door from the action in the garage, a utility room to house the air compressor/hot water heater ect, and possibly an engine building room.

I'm also expecting to have a raised loft style upstairs apartment. The garage would be deep or wide enough so that the apartment doesnt span the entire garage but rather hangs with two windows into the garage for viewing over the lift bay. The windows would be in an office located in the loft. The upstairs loft would have a living room big enough for a couch, love seat, and an entertainment system. One master bedroom without a bathroom. The apartment bathroom would have all amenities of a master bath as if it were in the room. I'm thinking something like 5-800sq ft of loft space?

Depending on the layout of the garage design I would expect that the main structure could be around 60x40xwhatever height necessary for the loft to be included.

I'm also wondering about what garage construction type would be best. I was thinking a pole barn style would be cheaper. I would put a spin on it however. If I'm doing the metal siding like pole barns have I would use 1" foam insulation sheets between the siding and the barn walls, then fill the 4" depth of the barn walls with fiberglass insulation, finishing it off with drywall or another material.

I've seen other garages that have a I beam structure, and a traditional stick built style but what would be best for my application?

At this point I'm trying to be cost effective, but not cheap. I admire quality.

What would you guys expect to see me spending on a garage like this? I'm talking construction, not fully outfitted.

Thanks guys!

 

[BuickBoy]

Bump.

No one with advice?

 

[6th Gear]

I'm in the planning phase as well and noticed that you don't see a lot of pole barns with lofts. Probably because there would need to be poles under the loft to help support it?
They say if you plan to insulate & finish the interior, then it is not much more expensive to go with stick construction. For price, I might guess 60-70k range? (I might be way off too!)

 

[BuickBoy]

I'm in the planning phase as well and noticed that you don't see a lot of pole barns with lofts. Probably because there would need to be poles under the loft to help support it?
They say if you plan to insulate & finish the interior, then it is not much more expensive to go with stick construction. For price, I might guess 60-70k range? (I might be way off too!)

I've seen a couple pole barn style garages in the gallery that have added lofts. The lofts were not very high, just high enough to walk under. They had many supports for the loft. I would think that a couple pillars with I beams would support the loft best. These pillars would be incorporated into the foundation upon construction. The I beam would the n allow adequate support for common premanufactured floor joists. My plan would be to get the loft atleast 8-10 feet off the ground thus making the overall height close to 20ft tall. The trusses made to do designs with a loft above the garage have been known to cost more money, however with the idea I have I may be able to use two different types of trusses in the construction cutting costs.

However, I did see a garage with apartment that had a full hoist in the garage and the entire loft/apartment was still built above.

I'm sure this is not an engineering nightmare, I just dont know construction.

 

[1320stang]

30x40 building divided into 1/3's would give you two 13'-4" wide by 30'-0" deep bays (bays #1 and #2) for vehicles and another sized bay (bay #3) for your rooms (399 sq/ft) and stairs going up the the second floor which would be 798 sq/ft.

The second floor would be above the bay with the rooms (#3) and the middle bay (#2)leaving the other end bay (#1) open for the lift.

You would likely have to place a post between the vehicle bays to span the 30' dimension whereas the wall for the 1st floor rooms would support the second floor on that end. This post would have two beams 15'-0" long and the floor joists would only have to span the 13'-4".

Are you building this yourself or having the shell built and finishing out the inside yourself? I'm a CAD tech by trade and have worked in construction all my adult life, building residential and commercial, drafting furniture design, telecommunications, drafting architecture and finally mech/elec which is what I do now. I can draw you up a set of plans for a reasonable price if you'd like. Eamil you PDF's that you can look at and adjust as you see fit.

 

[baugie]

I've posted this in the Garage Gallery....hope this helps.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30670

 

[BuickBoy]

30x40 building divided into 1/3's would give you two 13'-4" wide by 30'-0" deep bays (bays #1 and #2) for vehicles and another sized bay (bay #3) for your rooms (399 sq/ft) and stairs going up the the second floor which would be 798 sq/ft.

The second floor would be above the bay with the rooms (#3) and the middle bay (#2)leaving the other end bay (#1) open for the lift.

You would likely have to place a post between the vehicle bays to span the 30' dimension whereas the wall for the 1st floor rooms would support the second floor on that end. This post would have two beams 15'-0" long and the floor joists would only have to span the 13'-4".

Are you building this yourself or having the shell built and finishing out the inside yourself? I'm a CAD tech by trade and have worked in construction all my adult life, building residential and commercial, drafting furniture design, telecommunications, drafting architecture and finally mech/elec which is what I do now. I can draw you up a set of plans for a reasonable price if you'd like. Eamil you PDF's that you can look at and adjust as you see fit.

I would say the work would probably be 50/50. I would do the insulation after electric was installed, as well as the rest of the finishing work.

I'm leaning toward a single level garage to eliminate the loft idea, making the apartment being in the side or rear of the garaged depending on what the layout options are. I'm also leaning towards 30x60 in size.

I'm thinking two regular garage bays on the right and one larger one with the lift on the far left. The lift bay would run 30' deep with the other two at about 15-20' deep. I'm not sure what the standards are.

The lift bay would allow for work benches/tool cabinets. Depending on final layout the apartment would wind up being 30'x30' giving me my goal square footage of 8-900.

I'll come up with some sketches.

Still not sure what construction style would be best.

 

[1320stang]

Before we bought our house, we had planned on buying some land and building a 30'x50' ~ 40'x60' building with roll up doors at each end, then putting an apartment in one half of it and using the other have as a garage and place to store building materials for the house that we'd build. The kitchen and single bathroom would have been on anexterior wall and when the house was done, I'd tear out all the other rooms except these and have my shop.

Sadly, (for me) we bought a house on an acre and a half that was a month from being finished.