Help with ID on Craftsman Ignition Pliers?

[four.cycle]

Can anyone identify this pair of Craftsman ignition pliers?
They are not stamped with a part number, only the name "Craftsman" and a "P" inside a circle.


Craftsman Ignition Pliers 01 by four.cycle, on Flickr

Craftsman Ignition Pliers 02 by four.cycle, on Flickr

 

[twertsy]

Circle P means made by Wilde.

 

[StillTooManyHobbies]

According to this http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1230346&postcount=1 P = Wilde. Nice little pliers.

 

[four.cycle]

they are in pretty good condition. I was hoping maybe someone might know what the original part number on them was.
I copied that list mr. lauver posted and looked at it, but it looks as though there's quite a range there on years.... so is it a reasonable assumption that there's no way to establish vintage on them?

 

[Desertskyy]

I think it maybe part # P94513

I have had a couple of pairs of this type over the years.

The current pair I have has rubber on the handles

Hope this helps

 

[ganymede]

they are in pretty good condition. I was hoping maybe someone might know what the original part number on them was.
I copied that list mr. lauver posted and looked at it, but it looks as though there's quite a range there on years.... so is it a reasonable assumption that there's no way to establish vintage on them?

I'm looking on a tiny phone screen so forgive me if I'm wrong but it looks like the 'A' in Craftsman is pointy on top and not flat like it is in the modern logo.
I think by the early 70's they had switched over to the flat top 'A'

 

[Model A Fan]

What does one do with ignition pliers?

 

[four.cycle]

I'm sure my girlfriend will find them useful for her sewing machine or something like that.

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thanks... looking at the images on ebay and a couple other sites they look the same as the 94513 (or P4513 or 4513). they also look exactly like several others on ebay with different names: wilde, matco, etc..... who knew?
they were part of a "grab bag" I got the other day. not a bad find.

from wilde's website:
"Wilde's primary business is private labeling for several national and international tool companies, mass merchandisers, and OEM's."

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and yes, the "A" has a pointy top... shaped kind of like a gambrel roof,actually... so it's reasonable to assume these are most likely pre-70s vintage?

 

[ganymede]

.... and yes, the "A" has a pointy top... shaped kind of like a gambrel roof,actually... so it's reasonable to assume these are most likely pre-70s vintage?

I'd say it's probable but not absolute.
( Liability post until a more knowledgable collector comes along. ).

 

[four.cycle]

thanks!

best part of this is: I now know a source for American-made pliers - looks from Wilde's website like they sell direct to the consumer.

(as though I really need another pair of pliers!)

 

[ganymede]

thanks!

best part of this is: I now know a source for American-made pliers - looks from Wilde's website like they sell direct to the consumer.

(as though I really need another pair of pliers!)

Yup. I like Wilde too.
They even make old school waterpump pliers too.

 

[lauver]

four.cycle,

I hope you are not expecting to determine the exact year your plier was made; that ain't going to happen unless you have a receipt showing the exact date your plier was sold.

First, Wilde was a long-term OEM for Sears/Craftsman tools , starting right after WWII and continuing until ~2014.

Second, the 4513 Craftsman ignition plier was sold by Sears for 30 years from 1949 to 1979 (this based on catalog documentation). I know this is not what you were hoping for, but it is an accurate and representative date range for your particular plier.

That said, you have a great vintage plier made by one of the few remaining US tool manufacturers.

 

[four.cycle]

Mr. Lauver-
I had no expectation of being able to determine the exact year. That wouldn't be possible. I was only hoping to narrow the age range down a bit.
I've taken a look at the extensive list you posted, and it's obvious you've done quite a bit of research.
I poked around on the web, Sears' website, and Ebay and noticed there were several design changes on that particular part number over the course of decades. I find the same thing with the Indestro stuff - same part number, but the design changes over time. The same is probably true on most tool lines, I suppose.
I don't have a heck of a lot of Craftsman - mostly a mess of 1/2" drive sockets and a couple other oddball items.
I kind of figured they were in pretty decent shape; other similar pliers I've seen on the web (made by various manufacturers) are usually beat to hell - jaws all mangled as though somebody tried to use them for a pipe wrench.

- bk

 

[Ponchoguy]

Wilde makes a lot of the "specialty" pliers for Sears under the "P" logo as you have all noted. A lot of the "regular" slip joint, "Channellock" and the like pliers are made by Wester Forge (now Ideal) for Sears.

 

[Ponchoguy]

I just found the 9-4513 in the 2003 Fastenal catalog (sold under Sears Craftsman). The pliers in the photo still appear to be "P" pliers but they have a black soft grip on them. They are on page 280.

 

[Richard Cranium]

So when you see the 9-#### all that means is it is dept.9 or division#9 which is their number for hardware. Some times now you will see 009 which is the same thing.

 

[johnny ro]

What does one do with ignition pliers?

I play with them at my desk while talking on phone with my Boss in Toronto.

Coffee cup of stuff like this for desk art; forceps, needle nose, jewelers files, diamond hone...

One may also chew up tiny hex heads inside a distributor...

 

[jeeper46]

I bought a set of the Craftsman P 4513 pliers with black rubber handles at the local Sears Hardware store (gone now) around 2004-2005 . I was working as a Pipefitter, and The guy I worked with had a pair which I borrowed a couple of times. My policy always was that if I needed a tool more than once, I went out and got my own. I really can't recall what I used them for, but every now and then, they were just what I needed for the job at hand.

 

[davethorik]

Holy old thread. Wilde still makes tools for Craftsman...the strike capped 3 pc prybar set that I bought this past summer from sears hardware were USA with the circle P. I also have a slightly older Cman non strike capped 24" prybar that is circle P as well.

 

[Roberts210]

I use pliers like that all the time. Mine are Channelock, but look similar.

 

[four.cycle]

Holy old thread.

No kidding! One of my first posts here.
Since then I've acquired several more sets of those little pliers (in various brands) and I have to say that the little Wilde G269P groove-joint model is by far a superior design:



$10 bucks from Donvito-NY in black:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wilde-5-G26...528180?hash=item2a2a31b934:g:FhsAAMXQlUNRN-ei

$11 bucks from Bowers Tool in plated:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wilde-Tool-...072157?hash=item20e9c6c81d:g:lLUAAOSwEK9T1tsE

 

[jeeper46]

I didn't even look at the dates before replying!