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Vinny

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I'm looking to pick up a ratcheting screwdriver, and looking at some online, do they only take certain proprietary bits? I was under the impression that I could take any 1/4" bit, like you'd use on an impact, and slide it in. A few I've seen seem to be only usable with the bits they come with. Is there some term I should be using to narrow my search for one that cane take any 1/4" bits? I'm looking for one like that because I have already have stacks of bits.
If anyone has a rec for a non-China made one, too, I'm all ears.
 
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After converting over to EASYDRIVER ratcheting ball drivers I've never looked back. Plenty to be found in the wild though they've haven't been made since the 1970's, and US made.
I tend to accumulate them.
 

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Thanks fellas. Going with the William because it's made in the USA.
Humphrey, that site has good prices, but when I added the driver to my cart and checked shipping, it was almost $20 for ground!
 

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Stahlwille is a great buy, I had the 2pc shipped for 30bucks and probably get cheaper by looks of it .
They really pretty decent, have couple trusty old snapon too.
Stahlwille grip size and weight better for lot of general use .

ChihTai Taiwan done some decent ratchet screwdrivers various lengths and a swivel bit tip option, Titan did have them rebranded for a while,
 

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On the Stahlwille driver, are the bits captured in a holder or do they just rattle around inside the handle like the Williams/S-o?
 

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The buttons are recessed and not easily released
you can't use the stahlwille one as a babies rattle like the snapon so can't say you bought it for a new born .
Is bit more faf in getting bits over screw lid but you don't drop bits or have lid unscrewing in your hand like can on snapon .
They very decent and usable and low priced thus great value .
The shaft more slender than many and that sometimes the main hangup with the bit ratchets, the grip is nice but the snappy one I use if really want torque on something .
The ChinTai ones are nice too, had 3 of those from short to long length and 1 with swivel tip, not in the shop so either in truck tools or in the barn box, be looking for them this evening .
 
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The Stahlwille version just like the Bluepoint, Bahco, KTC, etc are all rebrands of Reverse Gear. The Stahlwille 4008-1 doesn't come with any bits (unlike the Bluepoint, Bahco, Sidchrome, Gearwrench (pistol-grip led version), Jet 720551, Kinchrome etc). I can say that the push button design is prone to jamming and isn't as easy to use or remove unlike the Wera Kraftform Kompakt 27 or the Xiaomi-Wiha 8'n'1 design.

Interesting that you mention 72t because it stuck out to me that the KCTool website describes it as 48t mech.
 

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It's a 48t design just like the Bahco and others. Only the Proto by Blackhawk rebrand is 72t (and maybe a few of the other rebranded versions). I'm not sure where you read that I said it was a 72t? I did mention the Wera Kratform Kompakt 27 but that's a 60 tooth (and 44 tooth on the older batches/revisions) and that's produced by Wera in the Czech Republic (although ratcheting mechanism may be made in Taiwan).

Sorry, my mild dyslexia got me, Wera 27
 

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PB Swiss has the best feeling ratchet. Williams/Snapon are also pretty good in that department, better than their actual ratchets! As mentioned the bit storage is a about as throughly engineered as a Cadillac Cimmeron.

Of the Reverse Gear models, my favorite is Würth. The light is very handy, and the handle shape seems to work in both straight and pistol. Cost is about $40

https://www.wurthusa.com/Tools/Hand...6-Bit-Magazine-(Bits-Not-Included)/p/06136400

Facom/USAG have a nice Reverse Gear variant with a cap that is usable as a stubby.

Toptul has a nice pistol ratchet too, but it’s now hard to source in the US.
 

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Thanks fellas. Going with the William because it's made in the USA.
Humphrey, that site has good prices, but when I added the driver to my cart and checked shipping, it was almost $20 for ground!
Bummer, looks like the majority of their inventory has increased a little bit since I bought bulk Christmas presents for people in 2018. The 19 piece Williams' hard handle screwdriver set was under $100, now it's $130... damn. So not offsetting the extra costs for shipping.
 

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PB Swiss has the best feeling ratchet. Williams/Snapon are also pretty good in that department, better than their actual ratchets! As mentioned the bit storage is a about as throughly engineered as a Cadillac Cimmeron.

Of the Reverse Gear models, my favorite is Würth. The light is very handy, and the handle shape seems to work in both straight and pistol. Cost is about $40

https://www.wurthusa.com/Tools/Hand...6-Bit-Magazine-(Bits-Not-Included)/p/06136400

Facom/USAG have a nice Reverse Gear variant with a cap that is usable as a stubby.

Toptul has a nice pistol ratchet too, but it’s now hard to source in the US.

I'm surprised by your PB Swiss evaluation. I used to have 15 ratcheting screwdrivers, among which PB Swiss is the best in workmanship, and great in ergonomics, but the ratcheting mechanism is below average: 24 teeth, clicky, and not exactly smooth.
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I'd rank Snap On ratcheting mechanism the most pleasing, but Snap On ratcheting screwdriver is probably among the oldest Snap On products, which has been made since the 90's (if not 80's), the ergonomics/design has a lot to be desired.

Gearwrench's GearDriver has similar feel to Snap On's ratcheting, but the workmanship is not as good.

My favorite is this OEM, which I paid less than $15 for the 22pc set (bits, extensions..). The 48 teeth ratcheting is very smooth, a pleasure to use. I think it's made by the same manufacturer as Bahco.
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I went to HomeDepot the other day and quite impressed by smoothness and feel of the ratcheting mechansim of Husky ratcheting screwdrivers.
 

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I'm looking to pick up a ratcheting screwdriver, and looking at some online, do they only take certain proprietary bits? I was under the impression that I could take any 1/4" bit, like you'd use on an impact, and slide it in. A few I've seen seem to be only usable with the bits they come with. Is there some term I should be using to narrow my search for one that cane take any 1/4" bits? I'm looking for one like that because I have already have stacks of bits.
If anyone has a rec for a non-China made one, too, I'm all ears.

Some ratcheting screwdrivers use “standard” bits.
Some use propritary bits.
Some can use multiple types of bits.
It sort of varies.

Even 1/4 drivers can vary, since there are at least a few different standard systems.
1/4” “Insert” bits, are the standard short bits with the narrow groove which are about 1” long. These are svailable in longer lengths, and from a few manufacturers in shorter lengths, but 1” is standard.
These are probably the most common bits.

1/4” quick change bits are usually longer, with a larger wider groove meant for a ball retention system in the driver or bit holder.
These are easier to chuck by themselves in a drill chuck, or they can be held in a bit holder, which holds them mire securely then insert bits.
The quick change bits are also longer, so the wide part of the bit holder is further from the bit tip, which can aid in getting into narrow recesses gor screws.

There are also interchangeable screwdrivers that use 1/4” hex blades, but the blades are longer, so regular insert bits won’t work.

In certain parts of Europe, llike Germany, there were metric hex bit standards like 4mm and 6mm.
Wiha Dive-Loc VI and Topra and Wera Vario screwdrivers use the 6mm standard blades still.
I believe some Japanese manufacturers also made 6mm blades as well, but it’s less common now.
 

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I own the Bahco, PB Swiss and Williams. I think Williams is the smoothest followed by Bahco. PB is rather "stiff". My PB version is older though. Maybe it changed. Wera is nice too, but i think Williams is still the smoothest.

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