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Ok, I have never put up a roof before and I have a few questions.

Do they make single shingles "cap shingles"? The guys at the hardware store said they just use normal 3 tab and cut them to get 3 caps. Same for the starter strip, only in that case you use the other end.


I have 5/8" sheathing, what length of nail do I need? Is 1" long enough?
I want to keep them short as possible to not have a million pungi sticks to deal with when I try to put boxes up in the trusses for storage.

Building is 16x20 with 18" overhangs, 6/12 roof. I came up with needing ~4.5 squares, so that should have been 18 bundles.. though I just went to look at my bundles and they are 4 to a square not 3 like the counter guy said :mad:

Need 24 bundles and not 18.

I haven't bought nails yet but I am figuring 8-9 lbs of 1" nails or 10lbs of 1.25"


I talked to my Dad about ice and water, felt, etc and he said to use what I wanted. The first garage he built in 1990 with cheap shingles (like 10 year) was just re-reroofed last year. Had put the shingles direct to the sheathing and never had a problem.

Grace Ice and Water was going to run $200 for a roll, and 15lb felt was $20 a roll so I decided to just get the felt.
 
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There is a lot of labor to do a roof, and are you going to want to do it over in 10 or 15 years? I would have bought the architect shingles, since they go up faster, and last longer. Not using ice and water shield is just foolish if you are going to be heating the space. When ice builds up at the end of the roof, and the water starts running inside, you will realize the value. What value you put on your time and labor should guide you.
 

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You cut 3 tab shingles in to 3 pieces to make the cap. Cut the pieces at a slight angle so that the piece is a little narrower on the half that you will be covering with the next cap piece. The starter row can either be the shingles put down bottom edge toward the top of the roof or you can buy starter strip sold in a roll .Make sure that any seams in the starter row don't line up with the first row of shingles. 1" nails are a pain in the azz to use. You are always hitting your fingers with the hammer to start the nails.
Depending on how thick the shingles are they come either 3 or 4 bundles to a square.
Roofing felt has always worked for me.
 
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Nate,
All of the major roofing manufacturers have web sites with very detailed installation instructions for thier products. That would be my first stop for information.
 
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Most folks told me that on this site about building the trusses by myself as well and those are all done. Funny how I can work 2 jobs, go to college and still have time to build a shed... and visit on here too!

Sure I did start building it in early August, so it has taken some time, but that's ok.

They are 30yr Marlarkey Highlanders, same as my house (yes architect shingle). Not heating the building, it's not going to be insulated. Just a shed. I have a 24x26 garage to work out of.

There is a lot of labor to do a roof, and are you going to want to do it over in 10 or 15 years? I would have bought the architect shingles, since they go up faster, and last longer. Not using ice and water shield is just foolish if you are going to be heating the space. When ice builds up at the end of the roof, and the water starts running inside, you will realize the value. What value you put on your time and labor should guide you.
 

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If it's not heated, I wouldn't worry about ice dams, but I'm south of the 37th parallel.

I'd go felt and 1-1/4" nails. Caps are best made like Northstar described.

For the starter, I put a row on upside down (tabs toward the peak, gravel on top). Sometimes you can get partials or free bundles off Craigslist for starters as it doesn't matter what color they are as they're hidden.
 

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I our freezing climate, we want the nails to go all the way through the sheathing because frost will cause them to back out if they are not long enough.
Ice and water shield is required by the NYS code because of ice and water dams.
In AK, I assume you have more cold weather effects that we do.
 
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all good advice. Since it isnt heated the water/ice isnt needed but I would use 30 # felt instead of 15 just for some added protection. 1 1/4 nails. better yet find or rent an air roofing nailer. makes it go so much faster.

measure and snap lines every 4 or 5 rows. it's easy to get crooked . If you catch it early it is easy to correct. Good time of the year to be roofing. not to unbearable hot.

I just loaned out my compressor, roofing nailer, and some pitch forks to a coworker.. unfortunately it was my weekend to work so I couldnt go partake in the fun. :beer:
 

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I would buy the starter strips....no use wasteing your regular shingles...the starters are cheaper.

I would also buy the ridgecaps....they look better and save time.

YES YES and YES on the 30lb felt. And don't wait too long after you put down the felt until you shingle....the sunlight will tend to cause your felt to shrink and curl.

Don't forget drip edge....goes under the felf on the bottom and on top of the felt on the sides.

And yes on the dimensional shingles.....they stay down better under high winds....
 

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I figured 20 bundles from your numbers. Remember your roof is on an angle so it is bigger than your garage footprint. With your pitch and overhangs you have 4.82 squares, plus I always figure 10% for scrap so you might need 21 bundles. So figure 5 sq at 4 bundles a sq equals 20 bundles. I figured this assuming this is a gable roof and your gable end was the 20' length.

So you would only need 66' or 38' of ice shield depending on which of your lengths are your eaves. You don't need ice shield for the whole roof, just the first 3 ft. The rest of the roof can be tar paper, and I always use 30#. I started out using 15# and found it rips way to easy, which will scare the **** out of you when it rips under your feet and you start moving. For starter I use the rolls, they are 6" wide and come in 33.3' lengths and are pretty cheap. Super easy to install also. They do make ridge and cap shingles that are pre cut but they are more expensive than 3 tab and it only takes about 5-10 minutes to cut up a bundle of 3 tabs for the ridge. Use 1 1/4" nails, they need to go threw the sheathing so you can see the tip and the start of the full size shank.
 
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What is the thought of 30lb vs 15lb felt? I already bought 2 rolls of 15lb though I guess I can exchange it.

Yeah I have the drip edge already. The good "shingle support" same as on my house. Things cost like $10 a stick :wtf:

Yup it is 20 bundles, I dislexicked a number and it screwed up my math.

ddawg16 my regular shingles can't be used as a starter. I just bought 2 bundles of 3 tab, they were around $16 a bundle. The store didn't have starter strips, don't know if anyone around does, but I'm not going to hunt it down.

1" nail won't go through the shingle and 5/8" sheating to poke through? That would be 3/8" thick between a shingle and the felt...

As far as laying down the felt, I will roll one or two rows out and then shingle and keep going. It gets far too windy out here to chance laying out all my felt and not having enough time to get it all shingled before a breeze comes by.
 

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A+ on getting a gun or 2
2 guys per gun one getting and placeing the shingle and the other nailing them.
a third guy could help with the placement if the guy on the gun is fast.
Also have the shingles delivered to the roof top.
I'm roofing the neighbors house this weekend and it cost $30.00 to have them delivered to the roof top.
best money I have spent.
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When you cut your shingles for ridge caps, make sure you put them stone side down, use a sharp utility knife and cut approximately as shown in the pic. If the shingles are kind of on the cool side, they score and snap very easily. You do not have to be exact on your cuts as far as the angle. The reason for cutting them like that in the first place is so you only see the tab and not the rest of the shingle when laying them. You reveal is the same as the full shingle.
It takes approximately 5 single tabs for 2' of run as your exposure is 5". Make sure you buy enough shingles to cover that.
Also if you are going to nail the conventional way and not use a nail gun, do not use 1" nails. Go at least 1 1/4". Reason being is that with a 1" nail, you will bash your fingers.
As far as nailing, nail right above the rain slots and on the each end IN the tar strip. 4 nails per shingle. The tar helps seal the nail head. When you put the next row of shingles on you nail the same way and those nails go into the preceding row. So in all actuality you will have 8 nails holding a shingle

Above all, read the directions on the package. They do work. Some people cannot keep a course of shingles straight for nothing. Use a chalk line. The package should show where to chalk the lines. You will have two vertical lines on the side of the roof. This is for starting each course. Then you strike a line every fifteen inches at horizontal. THis keeps every third row of shingles lined back up in a straight line. Shingles normally get laid onto the preceding course at the top of the rain slot, but it is easy to get a bow in th ecourse over a long distance, so every third row you can straighten out. If you find that it is hard to judge laying them at the rain slot, then strike a line every 5 or 10 inches to keep yourself straight. Normally when I did it, I would measure up each side and go ahead and start a nail in. That way they were there to snap the chalk line.

BTW......roofing ***** :lol_hitti
 

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Most folks told me that on this site about building the trusses by myself as well and those are all done. Funny how I can work 2 jobs, go to college and still have time to build a shed... and visit on here too!

Sure I did start building it in early August, so it has taken some time, but that's ok.

They are 30yr Marlarkey Highlanders, same as my house (yes architect shingle). Not heating the building, it's not going to be insulated. Just a shed. I have a 24x26 garage to work out of.

My advice, never say never. You may not be heating it now, but things could change and you may change your mind.

For the relatively little added expense, I would do the ice and water shield now. The insulation is another thing as that would be easy to add later. The roof on the other hand is totally different.
 

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Follow the manufacturers instructions. There is no way they will pay on a warranty claim if the instructions are not followed.

Use the ice and water shield. Around here, code now dictates 2 rows from the eave.

Use the starter strip. It comes on a roll here (7" x 33'). Any big box store carries it. So does a roofing supplier like ABC.

You will need cap/ridge/hip shingles with architecturals. The manufacturer will have a matching product for the shingle style and color. Cutting up 3tabs will look goofy.

Use drip edge.

Use 30# felt. Yeah, it costs more, but it is a much better product than 15#.

Use as short of a nail as you are comfortable pounding in. The air below the sheathing has (surprisingly) little holding power. One inch nails and a coil roofing gun make short work.

Don't forget about +7% for waste. You can easily return extra bundles. Better than stopping work.
 
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Also have the shingles delivered to the roof top.
I'm roofing the neighbors house this weekend and it cost $30.00 to have them delivered to the roof top.
best money I have spent.

I just helped a buddy do some tear-off roofing and redo all the 90 year old flashing details on a 10 pitch roof.

What a PITA.

We left the shingles on the ground. Stacking them on the ridge would have made it worse.

At least it was 1 story, but 2 dormers.
 

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Use as short of a nail as you are comfortable pounding in. The air below the sheathing has (surprisingly) little holding power. One inch nails and a coil roofing gun make short work.

While it is true that the air below the sheathing provides no holding power it is stated by the manufacturers that the full width of the shaft of the nail must go all the way threw the sheathing. Not just the pointed tip poking threw a little. The full shank all the way threw the sheathing gives it the holding power. You will be nailing threw 2 layers of shingles plus tar paper, use 1 1/4" especially when you state that you have high winds.

Also you can use plastic tabs instead of just staples to hold the felt on better. I bought a stapler called "stinger" that is just like a hammer tacker but it staples plastic tabs. Cost like 40 bucks but is a big time saver. Also if you are in high winds the manufacturer says 5-6 nails per shingle. Like mentioned read the directions on the shingles or the manufacturers website.
 

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Nate, there is some good info above, take the all the information that agrees with each other and follow that. Most of it should match what the manufacturer's instructions are.

The only two things I can add are,

Make sure the three tabs you use for the cap are the say color as the shingles. If you use a different color, it will look goofy.

Make sure the ridge caps point away(exposed end) from the prevailing wind, as it lessons the chances of the wind getting underneath them and tearing them off.
 
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I would never, ever, ever put asphalt shingles on a roof again. I'd rather eat beans and weiners for a year to pay for steel roofing.

Guy about 4 miles from here did his own roof last year. Cost him a bit of extra money
... he started at the peak and put the shingles all on gravel-side to the peak.
 
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Ice and Water is $260 for a roll, I hardly consider that "cheap". Actually that is close to 1/2 the cost of the whole roof job!
 
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2 lowes in anchorage have grace ice and water shield in stock, and it says limited availability at wasilla. Probably could even get them to ship one to Wasilla for you if you don't want to drive the 40 or so miles to anchorage. A 75' long roll is only 143.15 and a 36' roll is only 69.87.

Not trying to convince you that you have to use it. I always use it and feel that it is fairly cheap insurance. It's not just the heat from the inside that makes ice dams, the sun melting the snow and freezing at night also creates ice dams and can damage your hard work.
 
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I already eat beans and weiners... I sure as hell ain't going on a cabbage and broth diet just to afford a steel roof!

Different between that guy down the road from you and me... I'm not retarded and have some common sense.



I would never, ever, ever put asphalt shingles on a roof again. I'd rather eat beans and weiners for a year to pay for steel roofing.

Guy about 4 miles from here did his own roof last year. Cost him a bit of extra money
... he started at the peak and put the shingles all on gravel-side to the peak.
 
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Might have to check at Lowe's. Didn't know they carried any roofing stuff, don't remember seeing anything anyhow... and I'm in there several times a week.

2 lowes in anchorage have grace ice and water shield in stock, and it says limited availability at wasilla. Probably could even get them to ship one to Wasilla for you if you don't want to drive the 40 or so miles to anchorage. A 75' long roll is only 143.15 and a 36' roll is only 69.87.

Not trying to convince you that you have to use it. I always use it and feel that it is fairly cheap insurance. It's not just the heat from the inside that makes ice dams, the sun melting the snow and freezing at night also creates ice dams and can damage your hard work.
 
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Question... If the sheathing would get wet, frost, snow, etc... can I still roof over damp surface or what do I do then?
 

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I just finished roofing both of my shed buildings. The process went reasonably quick and I'm not a fast worker at these types of things. I tend to putz along.

Roofing Instructions
Every single one of the roofing bundles I got (30 year comp shingles) had detailed instructions on the packages. It was very helpful as I'd never roofed anything before. There was info on how to start the shingles (cut off the three tabs (I set them aside for in fill elsewhere) and 5 5/8" from one end of the first starter course). There was also detailed info on how to do the patterns and layout. There was also info on laying up the roofing felt and what was exactly recommended by the manufacture.

So, take a look at the bundles of roofing you're going to buy and see if they have instructions on them. If not, check the manufacturer's website for instructions. You need to built it according to the instructions if you want to be covered by the warranty.

If you don't want to be covered by the warranty then you can build it according to the photo above. :spit:

Flashing
As noted, you'll need flashing along the eave. But also a drip edge at the rake, factor that in, too. On the rake, over lap the flashing at least 2". For the eave and other horizontal lap joints, over lap min 6". FWIW, my lumber yard had what they called starter flashing for roofs. It was a stick of flashing about 4" wide with a 1" bevel or angled facet to it on one side that had a hemmed edge. That would go down first. Then the starter course of the 3-tab shingles. Then you'd start putting down the normal roof singles.


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Got so excited to start roofing I almost forgot
to put on my starter flashing, had to peel back
the first course of felt do put it on. The spring
clamps held it in place until I could nail it.​


Ice and Water Shield
If you REALLY are not going to heat the building then you won't need the ice and water shield, especially if you have a decent slope to your roof. Ice dams are formed when roof is warmed by a heated structure. It melts the snow directly above the heated rooms. The water runs down the roof (as it's supposed to) but then freezes when it reaches the eaves that are hanging out over air and are not heated. Over repetative heating / freezing cycles this can build up thickened layers of ice or ice dams out on the eaves and back water up under the shingles.

Where as if the building is definitely not going to be heated then there is nothing that's going to cause the snow melt over JUST one portion of the roof.

Yes, you might get snow melt on an unheated roof during the day, but it'll likely be consistent across the entire roof with a consistent roof temp. Once things freeze up again at night it'll freeze evenly over the whole roof so you won't get the build up of ice damns in any one location.

30lb. vs 15 lb. Felt
Up do you. I went with 15 lb. felt but double layered it by over lapping each course 19". This was based on the shingle manufacturer's instructions on the roofing buldles. And this was for a "low slope" roof condition that I have on my sheds (below 4:12). Above 4:12 roof pitches they said to just use the 15 lb. felt and over lap it 2".

Snapping Chalk Lines
I didn't do this. . . and I didn't have any problems with alignment with my coursing.

I thought I'd have to do the chalk line thing, though. Turns out that when I started unrolling the 15 lb. roofing felt it already came with white horizontal lines on it: 2" in from each edge (easy to align the 2" over lap), a pair of lines in the middle 2" apart (easy to do the 19" overlap), and I think one line between each of these pairs. The result was built-in horizontal rule lines every 6-8" or so. It makes it very easy to eye-ball each course of roofing shingles. Sometimes they fall directly on a line. Other times they're close enough you could tell if you're off or not.

Granted, this presumes that as you roll out each course of roofing felt that you keep it pretty even and not let it get wonky on you.

To give you an idea of how well this all worked out. . . after installing all the coursing all the way up a 24 ft slope of roof, once I reached the top it turns out the top course was pretty much dead on. Might have been off by about 1/4" but that's not going to be noticeable from the ground at all.


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Note the horizontal lines on the 15 lb. felt
Also note the far right edge has the drip
edge flashing fastened down.


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The courses looked even to me and I
didn't bother with the chalk lines.​


Nail Gun vs. Hand Nailing
Not wanting to buy a specialty nail gun JUST for this I opted to hand nail. Not as fast but it wasn't really that slow once you get into the rhythm of the roofing install. No doubt at all a nail gun would have been awesome here, but it wasn't really a worth while investment in my view.

FWIW, my rank amateur self could have finished roofing the 12ft x 24 ft roof in a single day. AS it was, I was working on it for about 1-2 hrs a day after work throughout the week.

Work Station
Up on the roof I had my "work station" set up. I used a scrap piece of plywood about 6" x 48" as my cutting board. A 24" carpenter's square worked great as a measuring tool and cutting edge to get square cuts on the shingles. Then there was the tub of nails, hammer, and utility knife. That was all I ended up needing.

Save Your Scraps
As you cut pieces off each 3-tab piece to do your pattern lay-up, hang on to the scraps, they can be used on the other side of the course to fill in to the edge of the roof. Doing this I ended up with VERY little waste.
 
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I'm not quite sure what you did with the flashing, but I have something called shingle support drip edge that I'm using. It is what is on my house as well. You put that on and it allowed the shingles over hang the fascia board by roughly 1" or so. Works really well for down the road on gutter installs since no worries about water going between the gutter and fasica.

I'm going to price out the 30lb felt and maybe swap it out. IIRC, last time I bought a roll it wasn't much more $$.

No ice and water at Wasilla store, they do carry, but they were out. Going to check at Anchorage store.
 
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I do have a couple questions that I can't find info for.

Marlarkey Highlander shingles. "Architectural" shingles or whatever you want to call them.

When you end a piece of roofing do you really need to find the next piece to match? What I mean is some pieces ends in the middle of a raised section and others do not.
The guys that helped me didn't but when I continued today I realized this so I sorted the shingles a bit. There is an arrow across the top of the sheet that I thought maybe meant to put those together (arrow points 2 different ways).

Do you guys cut first and put up or cut after? One of the guys that helped out claimed he did roofing and wanted to let it overhang and cut after. I didn't want to but somehow he still did 5-6 courses like that.

(Don't you love help that in the end wasn't that much help?! I had a hell of a time cutting it reasonably straight and I think it's MUCH MUCH easier to cut before.

Is there any kind of tape I can use on tar paper? The wind caught a section last night and tore it a bit. Just a 6-8" tear so I have no reason to put another section over just that.... or I could just put down a square of paper over it?


Last thing for the ridge vent... I ran my shingles up to where pretty much I am cutting the shingles not much above the nail line for the ridge vent. I just nail the ridge vent like that and then cap over the top? For the leading and trailing edges where there is no vent (over the wall and overhang do I cap that first and set the ridge vent on top or do it after?
 
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I do have a couple questions that I can't find info for.

Marlarkey Highlander shingles. "Architectural" shingles or whatever you want to call them.

When you end a piece of roofing do you really need to find the next piece to match? What I mean is some pieces ends in the middle of a raised section and others do not.
The guys that helped me didn't but when I continued today I realized this so I sorted the shingles a bit. There is an arrow across the top of the sheet that I thought maybe meant to put those together (arrow points 2 different ways).

Do you guys cut first and put up or cut after? One of the guys that helped out claimed he did roofing and wanted to let it overhang and cut after. I didn't want to but somehow he still did 5-6 courses like that.

(Don't you love help that in the end wasn't that much help?! I had a hell of a time cutting it reasonably straight and I think it's MUCH MUCH easier to cut before.

Is there any kind of tape I can use on tar paper? The wind caught a section last night and tore it a bit. Just a 6-8" tear so I have no reason to put another section over just that.... or I could just put down a square of paper over it?


Last thing for the ridge vent... I ran my shingles up to where pretty much I am cutting the shingles not much above the nail line for the ridge vent. I just nail the ridge vent like that and then cap over the top? For the leading and trailing edges where there is no vent (over the wall and overhang do I cap that first and set the ridge vent on top or do it after?
If by the raised section you're referring to the decorative aspect of the shingle you don't have to worry about matching anything up, no one can tell from the ground and typically the raised sections are of different length.

I always cut the end first. It isn't hard to flip the shingle over or around, slide it out to match the other edge of the other shingles, notch where your cut will be based on the second to last shingle and then cut. Cutting rows at a time always seemed to butcher the edge to me since the knives aren't sharp enough to go through in one cut without a lot of force.

You can just toss a piece over the top, just slide it up under the row above, doesn't matter much for a small tear though.

Run the ridge, then the vent, you don't want edges or seams that water will get into, the vent will cover the edges of your ridge caps acting as a sort of single top shingle. Also make sure that you run the shingles up enough that what the vent covers any exposed nails or seams that could show wood, sometimes this means the final row of shingles under the vent is really narrow but it covers the seams below the final row to keep out water. I found it easier when I was roofing to just continue across the opening and then cut out the opening that the vent would cover, that way the shingles had proper layout.
 
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Yes the decorative part. I didn't know if they needed to line up or not. Honestly I didn't find it that hard to line them up though, I just make 2 piles of shingles, one starting with a raised part and one without and then just grab from the correct pile.

What I did for cutting, well my left side I cut all those with measurements I have (5 5/8" offset). Then the right side I just measure then, write it down and cut on the ground. For a pro roofer a 6/12 pitch is probably cake, but I am much more comfortable on the ground, more so after I slid and fell off it earlier this week.
 

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Nate, do yourself a favor and avoid the tar-paper felt.

It is JUNK. Filthy, delicate, ****.

Ive done more than a dozen roofs myself, and after making the change to Dupont's "Roofliner", Ill never go back.

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For starters, you will only need one or two rolls, as the rolls are TEN square. A roll of 30lb felt is TWO square. You do the math..... but Id much rather carry one or two rolls of this stuff up a ladder than 5-10 rolls of Felt.

Next, the stuff is super durable. I miss-stapled a few spots when I started the first course on the backside of the home, so I had to pull it and re-set. The Dupont Roofliner pulled the staples out of the sheeting.... without tearing:wtf: TOUGH STUFF!

The list of benefits goes on and on..... and the cost per square is very similar to that of 30lb felt. Most people are stuck on the "per roll" price, and never realize how similar the cost is when factoring in how much coverage you actually get.

My only warning about the stuff......

It is VERY slick when wet. :lol_hitti

Check the product website here....

http://www2.dupont.com/Tyvek_Weatherization/en_US/products/residential/resi_roofliner.html
 
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I don't think anyone around here would carry that stuff even. I have the 15lb felt down so I'm going to run with that. I forget how many squares the 15lb does but I I was real close to only needing 1 roll. Had to pull 10 or 12 feet off a 2nd roll.

My Dad said I was wasting time and money with tar paper or ice and water even. His first shop he built in 1990 was re roofed last summer and the OSB was still fine. Roof never leaked, just he had used 15 year shingles (probably all that they made then anyhow) so they were worn out.

The shop he built in 08 he used no paper either, though he did use Advantech OSB (he has worked at the mill that makes it for almost 30 years)
 

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A roll of 15# is 4 square.

Thats 400 square feet.

Im sure you needed more than that. Unless I missed something.....
 
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Sounds about right.

The roof is roughly 5 squares (each side is 10.5x23), but the first run is ice and water shield so only needed to cover a little over 4 squares with tar paper.
 
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I just helped a buddy do some tear-off roofing and redo all the 90 year old flashing details on a 10 pitch roof.

What a PITA.

We left the shingles on the ground. Stacking them on the ridge would have made it worse.

At least it was 1 story, but 2 dormers.

There's no way in hell.......... Best 50 bucks I ever spent... carrying 30 80 pound bundles up the ladder is a pita. Never again I just stack them on the ridge.
 

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Nate....I don't know of any 'tape' for felt....as cheap as it is...I would just run another piece on top....just make sure you slide the top edge under the row above it....(might have to pull a few nails to make it slide up).

I pretty much did my shingles the same way. Basically, you do not want the edge of the shingle to line up with the edge of the row above it. The typical method...1 shingle on the first row gets a full shingle...second row, you cut off 1/3rd. 3rd Row, you take that 1/3rd you cut off from the second row and it's your first shingle on that row. That way all your seams are staggered.

At the other end...last shingle gets marked (I was taught to use your finger as the ruler...put down the shingle..put your finger against the facia...mark the shingle the thickness of your finger...or, about 1/4"). I then cut the shingle from the backside using a framers square to make it straight. I agree that it's too hard to cut straight after the fact....even harder if it's cold. I found it a lot easier to cut those shingles when it was warm than cold.

Oh...I also have a 3' piece of 1x12 up on the roof....I would toss the shingle on top of it.....it made it easier to line up the square and cut...that way I didn't cut into my existing roof shingles.
 

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Nate....I don't know of any 'tape' for felt....as cheap as it is...I would just run another piece on top....just make sure you slide the top edge under the row above it....(might have to pull a few nails to make it slide up).

I pretty much did my shingles the same way. Basically, you do not want the edge of the shingle to line up with the edge of the row above it. The typical method...1 shingle on the first row gets a full shingle...second row, you cut off 1/3rd. 3rd Row, you take that 1/3rd you cut off from the second row and it's your first shingle on that row. That way all your seams are staggered.

At the other end...last shingle gets marked (I was taught to use your finger as the ruler...put down the shingle..put your finger against the facia...mark the shingle the thickness of your finger...or, about 1/4"). I then cut the shingle from the backside using a framers square to make it straight. I agree that it's too hard to cut straight after the fact....even harder if it's cold. I found it a lot easier to cut those shingles when it was warm than cold.

Oh...I also have a 3' piece of 1x12 up on the roof....I would toss the shingle on top of it.....it made it easier to line up the square and cut...that way I didn't cut into my existing roof shingles.

You sure? With a 3-tab you should use a 1/2 shingle to stagger the rain slots. Cutting a 1/3 off still leaves the rain slots lines up. That is why they have the small tear at the top of the shingle in the center, to flip up slightly and **** your next shingle against it
 
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