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pontoon

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Short version:

GearWrench rails vs VIM Magrail TL rails in a scenario where sockets are either used out of an unmoving/big tool chest, or sometimes also taken from that tool chest and transported to another site at which to work? Is the crazy strong magnet in the Magrail TL a big issue in this usage? Does a plastic rail hold up to the weight of 30+ millimeter sockets on it? Will the impact sockets break the ball detent on the GearWrench rail?


Long version:

Hey all, long time lurker and first time poster. This site has helped me go from almost nothing to a good set of tools and greatly expanded mechanical experience. So thanks for that.

I'm currently stuck at a crossroads with socket organization. I spent countless hours yesterday in front of a spreadsheet trying to figure it out.

Here's my scenario... I just got a 30" US General 5 drawer cart, so I now have a drawer I can organize sockets into instead of using the plastic cases.

I have 37 1/4 sockets, 44 3/8 sockets, 115 1/2 sockets across 16 sets of sockets.

Sometimes I work where my cart is, but sometimes I don't. The cart is too heavy for me to transport easily. I do have a Rigid stacking and rolling modular tool chest which currently fits most of my tools and I toss this in my truck piece by piece when I need to work elsewhere. Sometimes I'll need socket rails out of my US General tool chest into my Rigid tool chest or into a 5 gallon bucket + Bucket Boss.

So I currently have 3x16" VIM Magrail TL to try that out since everyone says it's the best. It's quality, but I have a couple concerns. One, when taking this out of the cart and mixing it into the Rigid tool cart with miscellaneous tools or into a bucket, it'll stick hard to any other tool. Annoying, I'd guess. Also, it'll pick up metal shavings that files and drills leave around over time. Annoying, I'd guess. If I wanted this to work, I'd have to put a piece of sheet metal along the bottom of one of my modular Rigid boxes. I'd also ideally want a portable tray to toss in a bucket, but unfortunately the longest tray VIM makes is 14" and only comes with 3x14" rails. This would leave a 16" rail extending off it I'd imagine... Annoying again?

My thought was to maybe mount a bunch of plastic GearWrench or VIM plastic/Craftsman Plastic/SK Plastic/etc (all the same) or Ernst plastic onto a strip with studs on them. That way they stay put. My concern with these would be impact sockets. I have impact sockets over 30mm in diameter, and these have a hole all the way thru. They get stuck really hard on my drill's ball detent, and I worry if this happened on a cheapo rail, it might pull the ball off or break the stud.

The one other consideration is cost. The VIM rails are very, very expensive. I make enough money, but wrenching needs to be a money saving endeavor for me, not a money spending endeavor, when comparing vs hiring out all work done. I can't justify Snap On and VIM rails very easily, but if it's the best system, I'd be up for it.

Cost comparison:

$385 (ignoring the three rails I already bought) for VIM at the best price I could find. The worst price would probably be closer to $500-600. Insanity, it truly is. This is possibly equal to the cost of my GearWrench, Sunex, and Gray Pneumatic sockets, all of which I consider to be high quality (no issues so far).

$186 (ignoring one rail I already bought) using the best price I could find for the GearWrench rails. Overpriced as well, but less than half the price when considering I already have three 16" Magrails, making the overall Magrail TL price over $400.

Any tips or advice? I love the way the Magrail TL works, but I can't figure out how it's going to make sense in a scenario where I need to sometimes grab sockets and go. It just grips so hard onto the tool box and needs flat metal again wherever you take it.

Sorry for the long post!!

P.S. I tried Hansen organizers in the past and absolutely hated them, but let's not digress...
 
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shoot summ

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I'm in the middle of organizing my socket drawer.

I looked around, and needed something that moved well, but was also very space efficient.

I landed on the Olsa socket rails, there is another brand called Ares. They are aluminum rails, with a good quality plastic clip. I've had issues with the cheap plastic clips, on plastic rails breaking. I don't think these wil have any issues as the aluminum rail is stiffer, and the clips seem heavier. Plus they come in different colors, black for SAE for me, and red for Metric, so really easy to see the difference.

I have a lot of sockets, some sets, and many strays. At about $26(Amazon) for a set of 3 rails(1/4", 3/8", 1/2") it has been way less cost than you are quoting, and I have way more sockets.

The biggest issue is if they will work for your application, they work great for me.
 

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Plastic rails can hold up to 1/2 rive sockets, they dont like being dropped from any distance. The deep 1/2 sockets are a lot of weight, I leave the rails in the drawer and just grab a couple sockets. I'm using Gearwrench and Matco rails.

If you were to mount the rails to say a board or similar solid object (IE make a tray), that would be an option.
 
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pontoon

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Ernst socket boss.

The Ernst socket boss looks almost perfect. I'm concerned the rails would be too close together for big sockets, causing wasted space. It's pretty close, but I think the ideal system would be a tray with push button rail release where the push buttons are on a rail themselves which allow for variable rail spacing. Then with a few tray size options you could fit 2-3 rails of various sized sockets as needed.

If I go big to small on one side and small to big on the other side can my sockets fit with no gaps/wasted space? 26 piece set from 8mm to 34mm. So that'd be a 34mm impact next to a 21mm I'm guessing that'd be too tight based on the video demonstration they give (seems to be a 14mm next to a ~30+mm which just about fits.
 
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The Ernst socket boss looks almost perfect. I'm concerned the rails would be too close together for big sockets, causing wasted space. It's pretty close, but I think the ideal system would be a tray with push button rail release where the push buttons are on a rail themselves which allow for variable rail spacing. Then with a few tray size options you could fit 2-3 rails of various sized sockets as needed.

If I go big to small on one side and small to big on the other side can my sockets fit with no gaps/wasted space? 26 piece set from 8mm to 34mm. So that'd be a 34mm impact next to a 21mm I'm guessing that'd be too tight based on the video demonstration they give (seems to be a 14mm next to a ~30+mm which just about fits.

I'll try to get up some photos of my 1/2 sockets on the rails for you to see later today.
 

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If you want to place your Magrail Tls in with miscellaneous tools, try attaching two back to back. That way they will not pick up the other tools.
Ron
 

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Fedwrench

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I own all of the rail types mentioned aside from the socket boss.
First off, the magrail tls are my favorite but, i don't think they're meant for portability unless, they're attached to a cart and wheeled close to your work. The magnets ware too strong in my opinion.

Secondly, no plastic or nylon socket rail does well with larger sized 1/2 drive impact sockets say over 22 mm when trying to move a full rail especially when it falls or gets dropped.

There are limits even to the best rails. One side note about Gearwrench internal type socket rails is that they're only available in a few lengths which may limit their use.

What you may want to consider is a tray of rails like these:
https://www.tooltopia.com/mechanics-time-savers-lastray.aspx
https://www.tooltopia.com/ernst-8460hv.aspx
https://www.matcotools.com/catalog/product/MST22G/LOCK-A-SOCKET-TRAY-WITH-MAGNA-PANEL/

There are others so, shop around. Versions with carrying handles might be best if you're moving often.
On a side note, carrying your socket rails in a plastic tote of some type is a great technique. if a socket falls off a rail, it stays in the tote. the toe can also hold your drive tools. add a magnetic tray and it's even more useful.

One last thing, when buying magrails, ensure you're looking at the jobber or starer packs maybe directly from VIM for the best deal and selection. :beer:
 
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