Help with vice jaws please (Record No. 1)

[robpitt]

Hi there,

Does anyone know the screw size for a Record No. 1. I have just got hold of it and cleaned it up, I have managed to keep the jaws but the screws where trashed so I drilled them out, but I am struggling now to find a resource for the sizes.

Thanks
RP

 

[woody 73]

A few easy tricks this first one will pay for itself over time it comes in both metric and sae:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Combination...496?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5410923278

Second trick( first find the Diameter of the bolt).

Run over to your local hardware store and pick up a few Sae/Metric bolts of different tread pitch and be sure and mark on the bag each size, note they must all be the same diameter as the bolts you will be replacing; only buy one of each.

Try each one till you find an exact fit, then figure out how long of a size you will need to get the job done; or better yet take a part of your vise in and try each bolt till you find the right size.

 

[robpitt]

I have never seen one of those checkers, they are very cool.... Although being in the UK kills it cost wise, maybe on my next trip over to the US...

Yeah SAE bolts seem to be difficult to pick up in the UK unless you go to a specialist or buy online. I don't think I have ever seen them in a local hardware store.

Come to think of it though, might be worth making my own checker

 

[woody 73]

Skip the sae bolts and pick up two different metric pitch sizes and find out which will work, then go from there. You can buy that product in Metric only or like you said make your own.

 

[PCO6]

You can still buy new Record jaw sets and they come with the screws. I don't know if they offer them separately.

 

[LB-1911]

Info you may find of use -

Alex Threlfall's Blog
Restoring A Record Vice
http://alex.threlfall.me.uk/?p=63



http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/browse.jsp?N=100492+2031+203830

Good Luck

 

[CNGsaves]

I have never seen one of those checkers, they are very cool.... Although being in the UK kills it cost wise, maybe on my next trip over to the US...

Yeah SAE bolts seem to be difficult to pick up in the UK unless you go to a specialist or buy online. I don't think I have ever seen them in a local hardware store.

Come to think of it though, might be worth making my own checker

Best way to get good local advice is Update GJ PROFILE with City / Country.

Also, Welcome to GJ and you might not have noticed that GJ loves PICTURES and especially Pics of cool vises / vices !!

Let's see your Record No. 1 vice . . . like to see it's color / colour !!

 

[robpitt]

Best way to get good local advice is Update GJ PROFILE with City / Country.

Also, Welcome to GJ and you might not have noticed that GJ loves PICTURES and especially Pics of cool vises / vices !!

Let's see your Record No. 1 vice . . . like to see it's color / colour !!

Fair point mate, I've done as told straight away and inserted my location. I am also in the process of sorting the photo's I have...

As for colour, well it was rust/red and green. I am toying with leaving it unpainted now that I have cleaned it off. Leave the patina as is...

 

[robpitt]

Info you may find of use -

Alex Threlfall's Blog
Restoring A Record Vice
http://alex.threlfall.me.uk/?p=63



http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/browse.jsp?N=100492+2031+203830

Good Luck

Cheers mate good call.

You can still buy new Record jaw sets and they come with the screws. I don't know if they offer them separately.

This is true, and I could simply do that, but where is the fun in doing the easy option

Skip the sae bolts and pick up two different metric pitch sizes and find out which will work, then go from there. You can buy that product in Metric only or like you said make your own.

I think I will definately be looking at this.

 

[robpitt]

Ok well here are some photo's. Well 2 one as I got it and one after I stripped it down but before I cleaned it up. I have since cleaned and put it back together for the time being, as I am undecided about finish. I will have to take a photo later for this though.

Thanks for looking.

 

[Fretters]

Can't say as I've had to phaff with the No.1 inserts and screws as yet, but 1/4" BSW is a likely bet for the screws.

 

[drivesitfar]

RobPitt: i like your little Record. Record is still in business and now owned by Irwin so have you tried their web site or customer service?

in the future if you get a vise like that where the jaws look ok and just need cleaning up i'd leave them in place if the screws are not easily taken out. also if you want better grip on an item you put in your vise sharp new jaws might scratch up your project where a nice pair of copper or aluminum jaw covers will mark up the jaws unless your item is softer than they are.

if you are finding the thread you like on some replacement screws and the taper is off some have fixed the taper on their grinder or by putting in their DP and using a small file.

good luck

 

[robpitt]

Can't say as I've had to phaff with the No.1 inserts and screws as yet, but 1/4" BSW is a likely bet for the screws.

Thanks mate, as it turns out I have a 1/4" BSW somewhere, will have a look round. Cheers for the info...

RobPitt: i like your little Record. Record is still in business and now owned by Irwin so have you tried their web site or customer service?

in the future if you get a vise like that where the jaws look ok and just need cleaning up i'd leave them in place if the screws are not easily taken out. also if you want better grip on an item you put in your vise sharp new jaws might scratch up your project where a nice pair of copper or aluminum jaw covers will mark up the jaws unless your item is softer than they are.

if you are finding the thread you like on some replacement screws and the taper is off some have fixed the taper on their grinder or by putting in their DP and using a small file.

good luck

Cheers Mate, I shall give them a shout if I I have no joy. As for taking the jaws of, the one on the static side was ever so slightly loose but the screws themselves were rusted in place. Hence the removal...

Cheers for the help

 

[dutchgray]

I have just taken one out of my No 1 and screwed it into a thread gauge, 1/4" BSW

 

[robpitt]

I have just taken one out of my No 1 and screwed it into a thread gauge, 1/4" BSW

You Sir, are an absolute king for that. Thanks so much.


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[robpitt]

Quick update for those who care, I have finished the clean and decided that I don't want to paint it... I think it should be left as is, anyone got an opinion?

 

[dutchgray]

If you don't want to paint it use boiled linseed oil to keep the rust at bay and make it look good.

 

[PCO6]

If you do decide to paint it this what it will look like. That's a No.1 on the right and a No.0 on the left.

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[dutchgray]

Nice vices

I really must find out my unrestored ones and line them up so I can do a pic of my No 00, 0, 1, 2 and 3

 

[Fretters]

If you don't want to paint it use boiled linseed oil to keep the rust at bay and make it look good.

Linseed oil is definitely a good method for protecting and preserving them without paint. This is a little York I finished that way.

The oil was simply brushed on, left overnight, and then the excess wiped off with a rag.

 

[billybek]

Sorry for the old thread revival but....
I have a 30 year old Record Number 1 vice that is in fantastic condition. It rode around in my service truck for years and ended up on a bench at home.
Probably 15 years ago, I sheered the jaw bolts doing something that I obviously needed a bigger vice for! Jaws are in great shape and I just need to replace the 1/4 BSW (found that info here, thanks!) with the tapered heads. I can only find jaw kits but was wondering if I could just buy the bolts and from which supplier?
I had a little time to waste today and got around to punching out two of the sheered bolts and drilled and used a small easy out to back out the others.
Want to re-install this little vice on a new bench that I hope to build soon.
Thanks,

 

[dutchgray]

I think I have seen some on eBay over here from time to time that people have made. If you get a hex head bolt you can turn it down and saw a slot in, or get a normal countersunk screw which would work but not be as good.

 

[billybek]

Thanks, I may try that.
I had looked at the Irwin site for North America and there is a part request form. May just try that too.
I did take a 1/4 coarse thread carriage bolt and it threaded right in with very little resistance and a fairly tight fit.
Will take what I have left to the Bolt House here and see if I can match something up.

My dad gave me this vice when I started my apprenticeship so it is a keeper.

 

[billybek]

I bought some 1/4 inch course thread stove bolts, ground the edges to fit and cut to length. Installed the jaws and the little No. 1 is ready to be mounted back up to the bench.
Except for a couple of scratches and some Trane executive beige overspray it is pretty much as new.
Now I need to re work my Wilton and clean it up a little.

 

[bubinga]

I bought some 1/4 inch course thread stove bolts, ground the edges to fit and cut to length. Installed the jaws and the little No. 1 is ready to be mounted back up to the bench.
Except for a couple of scratches and some Trane executive beige overspray it is pretty much as new.
Now I need to re work my Wilton and clean it up a little.

good job.
what is 1/4 course? 1/4 20 SAE ?
Post some pictures.

 

[billybek]

Sorry for the 4 year late comeback to your question!
UNC 20 or 1/4 inch coarse thread.
Will try to get out to the garage to grab a photo. It may take another 4 years though!