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Hercules beats Dewalt...again?

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Anybody seen that NEW Hercules JOBSITE table saw in the March catalog yet :headscrat

24" Rip
3 1/8" cut depth @90
2 1/4 @ 45


Intro price $299 with "super coupon"

Limit 4 :D



Sorry for no links I cant find anything about it online
 
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Item 64855?
Looks quite similar to a few of the “top named” options.

As others have stated my worry would come in if replacement parts are needed or service after the sale. I would not be 1 bit surprised if this was made in the same house as other brands.


Not that dewalt would be my first choice but for their comparison sake I think the price is too steep for a newer name in the game. I can find the dewalt for roughly the same cost.
 

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What's the fence and adjuster look like on it? The value I find in the DeWalt is that the fence and gear-type adjuster are dead nuts and lock into place firm. If the fence isn't as sturdy or accurate as the DeWalt then what's the point? You're buying a table saw for accuracy, and while I'm not trying to pass judgement on this new one, a lot of the "bargain" saws do not have the accuracy.
 
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They do "compare" it to the DWE7480.

Best I can do for any pics :lol_hitti
 

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I'm sure it's a good performing tool but the price is too damn close and DeWalt has great warranty service
 

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Yeah...no. Although the 40 tooth count blade almost sold me..:rolleyes: And I'm not a HF hater either.
 

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Man - If Dewalt ***** it would be out of business. Everyone that frequents this site knows you are in bed with Milwaukee. They make good stuff also.

On another note, I was a union diver out of Manhattans local for a while. Ive moved to Fl since. Im not sure whats happened up there since I left. Our hats, compressors, rigs, all made here and there was zero exceptions. We worked all the time with the pile drivers and dock builders and they wouldn't use anything that wasn't stamped "Made in the USA". If it showed up on the job it went into the drink.
Real sad if that has all changed
 

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Man - If Dewalt ***** it would be out of business. Everyone that frequents this site knows you are in bed with Milwaukee. They make good stuff also.

On another note, I was a union diver out of Manhattans local for a while. Ive moved to Fl since. Im not sure whats happened up there since I left. Our hats, compressors, rigs, all made here and there was zero exceptions. We worked all the time with the pile drivers and dock builders and they wouldn't use anything that wasn't stamped "Made in the USA". If it showed up on the job it went into the drink.
Real sad if that has all changed

I think he was being sarcastic
 

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Just like EVERY new HF tool that gets introduced, people complain about the price - and then the price ALWAYS goes down..

Most times sure however they are on the upward trend of pricing and coupon exceptions.
 

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Most times sure however they are on the upward trend of pricing and coupon exceptions.

Remember when the miter saw came out - I think that dropped $100 since first introduction. Its a marketing tactic I’m sure.. they drop the new name, new tools, slap dewalt around a bit - and the price tag has people saying exactly what they are - “man they look nice, but it ALMOST in the same price range”.. few months go buy, price drops after some online reviews and feedback are out - and then people say “OK - well NOW its $100 cheaper than Dewalt”..

Belive me, they know exactly what their doing..
 

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If so, my bad. Didn't read that way

There's a good chance he was serious, he is a really big Milwaukee cheerleader, HF too.

I think both Red and Yellow make fantastic tools. I also think whenever HF does a "[Our Brand] Beats [Pro Brand]" comparison it's just marketing that boarders on propaganda. HF has some good stuff and great deals, some stuff, not so much, you just have to be cognizant of what you are buying there. I, for one, am not sold on Hercules yet, it looks nice, but it's not that much less, sometimes it's more, than the trusted name brands and they back the tools for years, not just 90 days, I'll stick with them for now.
 

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I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a near exact knock off of the Dewalt. If you take a look at all of the Hercules tools, corded and cordless, they look identical to the Dewalt counterpart they’re “beating”.

If they are the same, I don’t know, I kinda like blue better than yellow [emoji23]
 

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I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a near exact knock off of the Dewalt. If you take a look at all of the Hercules tools, corded and cordless, they look identical to the Dewalt counterpart they’re “beating”.

If they are the same, I don’t know, I kinda like blue better than yellow [emoji23]
I kind of like spare parts and a reasonable warranty and some product support better than a 90 day exchange or refund and done. I know some stuff is lifetime or you can BUY extended coverage but their model is basically throw away. Works fine for some but not me.

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One of the reasons the dewalt is considered one of the best job site saws is the gear driven fence adjuster, which this harbor freight seems to lack. that alone is a deal breaker for ALOT of pro users. It is typical harbor freight puffery. just like this new one BKb9ZKK.jpg As many others have said getting replacement parts for a harbor freight tool is damn near impossible. I get it for a throw away drill, but a $300 saw warrants a need for repair parts.
 

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Just curious - has anyone TRIED to get parts for any of the new Hercules stuff? I’m not saying its one way or the other - but has anyone actually tired, instead of just assuming? I’m a big believer in due process - :bounce:

I think the extended warranty was 2 yr replacement - but that doesn’t necessarily mean you CANT get a switch...
 
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I have not. I work extremely hard for my money and I don't buy stuff from there. Others Might post their experiences
 

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I'm not sure why anyone would buy anything from HF with an electric motor. Their motors are universally ****. I wouldn't buy the HF for $150 let alone $299, that's a friggin' joke price. And I love all the "name brands" they are coming out with ...."hercules"....LOL
 

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Hahahahahaha, horseshit.

HF beats... off. This is the biggest stroke job I have seen or heard of since PeeWee Herman was caught flogging the dog at the adult theater.

HF is selling some nicer stuff these days, but this **** about beating top tier brands is getting a bit far fetched. Just improve your product and sell the best **** you can at the cheapest price you can. It’s pretty ******’ simple.
 

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Agreed. I wish they'd stop peddling that same nicad **** around to unsuspecting customers that don't realize it's the same stuff they were selling 15 years ago.. oh wait a sec.......:spit:
 

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I'm not sure why anyone would buy anything from HF with an electric motor. Their motors are universally ****. I wouldn't buy the HF for $150 let alone $299, that's a friggin' joke price. And I love all the "name brands" they are coming out with ...."hercules"....LOL
With more brands moving to China there are more things to copy. Recently I recall two German tools now being made in China. Made me wonder if a german power tool gets.cloned from China and sold to USA would the german brand have a claim in USA if the product isnt sold here,?

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LOL "knock off"?

Welcome to the 21st-century!

Both saws are probably made on the same Assembly line at the exact same Chinese factory that likely doesn't say "dewalt" on the outside.

Regarding "spare parts" the HF saw owners can just order them from DeWalt if they even carry them.

BTW when harbor freight says they "beat" something that's on the price which in this case they do - again

Seems like the best idea was to buy the HF saw with the extended warrantywhich they would just swap for a brand new saw, versus wasting time and money putting a switch in the $300 sob saw probably already well worn.

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One of the reasons the dewalt is considered one of the best job site saws is the gear driven fence adjuster, which this harbor freight seems to lack. that alone is a deal breaker for ALOT of pro users.

^This exactly. Maybe the Hercules saw does have the gear driven fence but it sure doesn't look like it in pictures. If that's the case then they've failed to 'copy' the one feature that makes the DeWalt as good as it is. A 'premium' priced table saw needs to have an accurate fence, and if it doesn't it might as well be a circular saw.

LOL "knock off"?

Welcome to the 21st-century!

Both saws are probably made on the same Assembly line at the exact same Chinese factory that likely doesn't say "dewalt" on the outside.

Regarding "spare parts" the HF saw owners can just order them from DeWalt if they even carry them.

BTW when harbor freight says they "beat" something that's on the price which in this case they do - again

Seems like the best idea was to buy the HF saw with the extended warrantywhich they would just swap for a brand new saw, versus wasting time and money putting a switch in the $300 sob saw probably already well worn.

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See above, it seems like this HF saw is missing the same geared fence that the DeWalt has. Copying the appearance of the DeWalt does not mean they've copied the quality or accuracy.

If that's the case, they basically took a $100 saw, put DeWalt look-alike cladding on the outside, and tripled the price. Sounds like a good marketing strategy to me! Similar to taking a Pontiac Fiero, putting a Lambo fibreglass kit on the outside, and selling it for $10k less than the Lambo.

Again this is all assumptions based on the pictures, but several people have noted the gear drive fence seems to be missing from the Hercules. And if that's the case it's pretty misleading marketing to make a 'premium' saw to be a visual rip-off of another, but not spend the money and R&D to actually make it function similarly. HF is good for what they are when they stay true to what they are, and that's lower quality tools for a much lower price. Trying to pretend they are "beating" DeWalt at copying their plastic cladding is embarrassing.
 

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Harbor Freight and a local parts store have a few things in common. They both use this type of bull **** advertising and comparisons. If the tools are worth their price; they will sell on their own merit.

No, Snap-on does not make those parts store branded wrenches; and the parts store brand does not make ratchets and sockets for Snap-on. The third time I heard this claim while in that store was the final time I darkened their doorway

Interesting to note the same supplier manufactures tools for both Harbor Freight and that parts store brand, yet that local parts store is also a Harbor Freight basher!!!

There are things I will buy from Harbor Freight, but the bull **** is not one of them.
 
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Ya its hard to tell from the photo if the toothed gear bar is there but it would be pretty ridiculous to compare it to that model without it :lol:

On the other hand...does it look like there is more table on the wide rip side? :headscrat
I cant see the back bar as with the Dewally
 

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Where he really drops the ball is warranty duration. Why would I be satisfied with a 90 day warranty when I can have a 3 or 5 year warranty from a reputable brand for a marginally higher price?
 

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Where he really drops the ball is warranty duration. Why would I be satisfied with a 90 day warranty when I can have a 3 or 5 year warranty from a reputable brand for a marginally higher price?

I agree there. When I purchased my hitachi jobsite table saw it had the same gear system for the fence and a larger rip capacity than dewalt . It was on sale at 379 and they even still accepted a 20% off harbor freight coupon.

The dewalt at 349 would end up cheaper than the Hercules . At that point or even if you pay full price the brand itself with warranty is a huge factor.
 

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^This exactly. Maybe the Hercules saw does have the gear driven fence but it sure doesn't look like it in pictures. If that's the case then they've failed to 'copy' the one feature that makes the DeWalt as good as it is. A 'premium' priced table saw needs to have an accurate fence, and if it doesn't it might as well be a circular saw.







See above, it seems like this HF saw is missing the same geared fence that the DeWalt has. Copying the appearance of the DeWalt does not mean they've copied the quality or accuracy.



If that's the case, they basically took a $100 saw, put DeWalt look-alike cladding on the outside, and tripled the price. Sounds like a good marketing strategy to me! Similar to taking a Pontiac Fiero, putting a Lambo fibreglass kit on the outside, and selling it for $10k less than the Lambo.



Again this is all assumptions based on the pictures, but several people have noted the gear drive fence seems to be missing from the Hercules. And if that's the case it's pretty misleading marketing to make a 'premium' saw to be a visual rip-off of another, but not spend the money and R&D to actually make it function similarly. HF is good for what they are when they stay true to what they are, and that's lower quality tools for a much lower price. Trying to pretend they are "beating" DeWalt at copying their plastic cladding is embarrassing.



Anything is possible, but if that's the case ,making a knock off really makes zero Business sense.

Go to the effort and expense, of reverse engineering, building massive amounts of tooling, plus, building a factory - to make a clone of what is basically a "who gives a ****" sub $400 China made table saw, just so harbor freight can "beat" it and sell for 75 bucks less, what is likely a limited number of them in their stores.

Just makes no sense, at least to me. I just don't see rich people thinking that way.

Does Dewalt have their own factories in China or just contract with a manufacturer there? Just curious since I really don't know


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LOL "knock off"?

Welcome to the 21st-century!

Both saws are probably made on the same Assembly line at the exact same Chinese factory that likely doesn't say "dewalt" on the outside.

Regarding "spare parts" the HF saw owners can just order them from DeWalt if they even carry them.

BTW when harbor freight says they "beat" something that's on the price which in this case they do - again

Seems like the best idea was to buy the HF saw with the extended warrantywhich they would just swap for a brand new saw, versus wasting time and money putting a switch in the $300 sob saw probably already well worn.

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Do you really think the parts are interchabeabe? Not likely. And something doesn't have to beat to **** before needing a part. Tools can get damaged in use. If you buy an extended warranty you lose the cost advantage. If you are a throw-away tool guy that is your choice but it doesn't work for everybody. If you don't think spares are available, check a site like eReplacements. You'll never find an HF brand there.

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Just like EVERY new HF tool that gets introduced, people complain about the price - and then the price ALWAYS goes down..

It's the scheme/scam they are running... pretty sure this is something their marketing research have done and expect to do....psychology part of luring the cheapskate mentality to the store...and this have nothing to do with their price/value of the product... pretty good strategy if you asked me.
 

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Anything is possible, but if that's the case ,making a knock off really makes zero Business sense.

Go to the effort and expense, of reverse engineering, building massive amounts of tooling, plus, building a factory - to make a clone of what is basically a "who gives a ****" sub $400 table saw, just so harbor freight can "beat" it and sell for 75 bucks less, what is likely a limited number of them in their stores.

Just makes no sense, at least to me. I just don't see rich people thinking that way.




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Wow, I'm glad the construction company i worked for didn't listen to you when we purchased our "who gives a ****" Dewalt table saw that performed flawlessly and accurately for many years assisting in building high end homes from top to bottom. Guess it depends on your perspective..mine was on the job site, year round...actually using one.(along with many other construction workers. :rolleyes:
 

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Do you really think the parts are interchabeabe? Not likely. And something doesn't have to beat to **** before needing a part. Tools can get damaged in use. If you buy an extended warranty you lose the cost advantage. If you are a throw-away tool guy that is your choice but it doesn't work for everybody. If you don't think spares are available, check a site like eReplacements. You'll never find an HF brand there.

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hmmm.... not sure, when is the last time that some tool thing breaks, the replacement part of a tool cost is ridiculous... with or without warranty...

my parent's GE electric cook top cost about $500... one of the burner's failed, replacement cost .... $100 and up just for that part... just saying... HF or NOT as long as it performs to expectation...

as far as those replacement parts... not sure how those business works, pretty sure the manufacture sells to them...or give them some sort of exclusive offers.....
 

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Wow, I'm glad the construction company i worked for didn't listen to you when we purchased our "who gives a ****" Dewalt table saw that performed flawlessly and accurately for many years assisting in building high end homes from top to bottom. Guess it depends on your perspective..mine was on the job site, year round...actually using one.(along with many other construction workers. :rolleyes:



I didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings, Dewalt saws are just fine.

My point was, if I was going to go to the massive expense of cloning another manufacture's table saw, why would I choose their cheapest model that's not even part of their current model line up?


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