HF 20 ton press failure

[Orange65]

Oh- and take a physics class!

 

[DenisG]

Its like the dress thing I see orange, you see tan.lol


Thats the HF press. He stuck the swag sticker on there because they send you one with the press brake. HF stickers are the other side

The guy is a douche
he says its unmodified, but it clearly has been modified with another jack. Hes blaming the cup/saddle being off center, but Im willing to bet he didnt have it in centered inside it. and if you need further proof, Hes also wearing an iron cross ring.

User failure IMHO

I agree with you! Look at the picture of the 20T air-hydraulic jack. There's no way he could have kept that centered unless he machined a bushing to keep it in place like the original one was designed. In many of the pictures he obscures things with his finger-pointing hiding the actual cause.

 

[mpire]

Harbor freight is a great alternative for renting tools. I love that place.

You get 3 uses before they break though. Keep that in mind.

 

[finn]

I'm still looking for that 20 ton Dake or other American made press for the $149 that the HF press costs.

You pay your money and take your chances.

 

[srmofo]

I'm still looking for that 20 ton Dake or other American made press for the $149 that the HF press costs.

You pay your money and take your chances.

That's the thing. For everyone blabbing on about buying quality the first time, they obviously have never priced a press. Sure if it's for production it's perfectly reasonable to drop a few grand on a great tool, but if it's home owner and only gonna be used a few times a year is hard to justify that disparity between the 2.

 

[66354dream]

There really ought to be an IQ test for tool ownership. This guy is a drama queen and an idiot. He has watched one too many Discovery shows. He needs to go back to sewing and leave the tools to the real men.

Oh- and to buy an inexpensive press and expect it to perform like a top of the line version- idiot.

Sad but true !!! some men should not be allowed to own tools/equipment.

 

[arz71]

That's the thing. For everyone blabbing on about buying quality the first time, they obviously have never priced a press. Sure if it's for production it's perfectly reasonable to drop a few grand on a great tool, but if it's home owner and only gonna be used a few times a year is hard to justify that disparity between the 2.

There is a big difference between the 2 presses. One can get a USA one for about $550.

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_604_604

Sunex for about $600

http://www.globalindustrial.com/p/m...mpaignId=T9F&gclid=CJKT39K1nMQCFQaRaQodwaQApw

Do it yourself kit for about $169

http://www.swagoffroad.com/20-TON-Press-Brake-DIY-Builder-Kit_p_40.html

Lots of options abound for USA made presses. There is a big difference in a Harlet Freight 20 ton rating and one made in the USA. The USA one is welded not using some Chinese bolts.

 

[Beemer533]

That diy kit from swag you list is just a press brake kit for HF press..

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[arz71]

That diy kit from swag you list is just a press brake kit for HF press..

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Point being $550 for a USA made 20 ton (and key word 'tested').

 

[arz71]

40 ton is $1600 USA made

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_7277_7277

 

[Jagmandave]

There is a big difference in a Harlet Freight 20 ton rating and one made in the USA. The USA one is welded not using some Chinese bolts.

Uh......my HF press is welded.....

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[BD1]

Tools and equipment are only as smart as the user. I made a press brake for my 20 ton HF and have made many 90 degree bends on 1/4 ''X 3'' and 1/4'' X 4' with no issues at all. I use the standard 20 ton supplied jack. I wonder if he dead headed the bend by using the air jack and something had to give. The bend was made and no room to bend any further and air was still applied so it had to bend somewhere.

 

[arz71]

Uh......my HF press is welded.....



There is a difference in USA and China made products.

Would rather spend the extra money and keep it here than throw money down a rat hole.

 

[arz71]

Seems like a lot of people are anti-USA made products.

 

[Beemer533]

That is a ridiculous statement..

Some people like a deal, and others just can't afford to pay more.

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[arz71]

That is a ridiculous statement..

Some people like a deal, and others just can't afford to pay more.

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People seem to afford $600 cell phones, along with other things like cigs/beer and on and on.

Depends on how what peoples priorities are, I still believe in the USA and the quality of good is excellent.

 

[txturbo]

Think I will stick with made in USA, regardless of saving a few bucks all it does take is one 'failed' quantity produced/copied item.

Quality over Quantity yes it cost more, but one can't replace themselves.

Made In the USA doesn't mean quality. I have a USA made(Torin) engine hoist that is junk....bought a HF one to replace it and its far better quality. I bought the Torin from Northern Tool and I see they don't sell the engine hoists anymore.

 

[Beemer533]

People seem to afford $600 cell phones, along with other things like cigs/beer and on and on.

Depends on how what peoples priorities are, I still believe in the USA and the quality of good is excellent.

True, but I can't buy a $600 press from Northern tool and pay them $25 a month for the next 2 years either.

Not saying it is smart, but that is the way it is. Still, your statement that people are "anti USA" here is just wrong.

Again, not everyone who uses a press 4 times a year can afford or needs to spend $600 on one.

Sure, if everyone had piles of cash lying around they would probably buy the most expensive stuff they could find... But not all of us do, so we compromise. Translating that into an anti USA sentiment doesn't fly.

 

[dogdog]

That press did not fail the operator did,the top of the jack was on the edge of the saddle and not centered in the ring.The welded piece he is blaming sees no load if used correctly. I have a 20 ton press from HF I have used for years

I made the same observations. I have a few years experience with accident investigation and root cause analysis. The failure was caused by the operator, not the equipment.

Tommy

yea something fishy about that post.

I just don't see how he didn't stop after the top I-beam started to buckle and still let it run that far till it stops....is it that hard to stop a 20 ton air hydro press

scenario, if I am bending nothing and just runs the press till it bends the frame. is that I am bending below it's design capacity and a shop press failed?? seems like he was trying to push the press after it hits the bottom already. Maybe to get a 91 deg bend? dunno but fishy about how the Beam bend that much without the operator realizing it.

 

[justanengineer]

I'm still looking for that 20 ton Dake or other American made press for the $149 that the HF press costs.

Try craigslist, auctions, the fleas, or garage sales. Presses are like vises, nobody needs to spend big bucks bc theyre common as dirt on the used market and you only need one. This is a sucky time of year to locate something (but pre-tax season when folks NEED money is always good to buy), in summer theyre out there and pretty cheap too. $150? Sure, pick your flavor.

scenario, if I am bending nothing and just runs the press till it bends the frame. is that I am bending below it's design capacity and a shop press failed?? seems like he was trying to push the press after it hits the bottom already. Maybe to get a 91 deg bend? dunno but fishy about how the Beam bend that much without the operator realizing it.

Thats **** design of the worst order. The press frame should be the strongest part of the mechanism and easily contain the jack. Even if the jack is outsourced by the press manufacturer, they should know its max capabilities (IOW, when Bubba keeps applying air/pumping what can it possibly do?) and design the frame accordingly.

FWIW, the point about the fella being blind toward the frame bending until too late is a good one. Possible setup in that he saw it bending and kept pumping til it broke???

 

[Angelfire]

yea something fishy about that post.

I just don't see how he didn't stop after the top I-beam started to buckle and still let it run that far till it stops....is it that hard to stop a 20 ton air hydro press

He bought the old version....then saw the new version and was kicking himself because it was better built....hmmm, how to get the new version free? Fake a failure, post it up, and head to the store...yeah, that'll do it! and it did.

 

[dogdog]

Thats **** design of the worst order. .... (IOW, when Bubba keeps applying air/pumping what can it possibly do?) and design the frame accordingly.
..... Possible setup in that he saw it bending and kept pumping til it broke???

^^^^ he did swap out the manual hydraulic jack to the air hydraulic unit... as far as the two shaft diameter think they are different. Some one mentioned they needed some sort of adapter to make it centered. we don't know exactly what happened.

But on his post #1 he shows a pic of the frame bending in-ward to one side the ledge of the i-beam.. on his post #6 the 4th pic the back side of the beam is not bending upward at all... he might have that ******** center for some reason, the beam didn't buckled just the ledge or what ever that is called bend, either case don't think I beam are design to take load that way. and it is bending, not exploding death like in his drama. Think the i-beam design to take full load on center not on the ledge/edge. I could be wrong.... since I am not an engineer and didn't stay at holiday-inn.

Still don't know how he don't see it bending and stop before damages occurred.

He bought the old version....then saw the new version and was kicking himself because it was better built....hmmm, how to get the new version free? Fake a failure, post it up, and head to the store...yeah, that'll do it! and it did.

lol dunno about that we are not there... maybe he was looking for reimbursement for a USA made from harborfreight. dunno but failure is suspicious is all I am saying.