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HF 72" vs. Snap-on KRL7022

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After taking a look at the construction and dimensions in the store, I had pretty much decided to buy the Harbor Freight 72". I like the height, drawer size, and locking drawers. However there has been a black snap-on KRL7022 advertised locally on craiglist that caught my eye. I like the color (black/red handles), and looking at the dimension I prefer the 29" depth over the 22" from HF. I haven't seen/touched the KRL 7022, but I assume the quality is going to be on par or better than the 72" HF. Looking at the specs, the volume (32,160 in^2 v. 34,300 in^2) and weight capacity (6,800 v. 4602 lb) is close enough it probably doesn't matter for my purposes.

This is going in a home workshop. I'm not going to fill up either right off, but prefer having excess space than not enough.

By the time I pay sales tax on the HF, I'm within $700 of the KRL7022 (assume I buy for $2k - what is a good price?).

What does the wise Internet recommend?
 
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I have a KRL722 in my home workshop and would never use anything else. $2k is a good deal on a KRL7022. I checked out a HF 72 recently and found the drawers to have more side to side play than my KRL and the trim was falling off the front of the box. I know this box has a cult following here but I just don't see it. the KRL is a better box.

something else to consider is Snap On offers many drawer accessories designed for their drawer sizes. a used KRL will hold its value more than a new HF if you ever decide to sell it and will last forever if you decide to keep it.
 

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You are crazy to think those two boxes are comparable. The KRL is one of Snap On's best boxes, one of the best boxes in existence.

Compare drawer area, not volume to get a sense for real storage capacity. Look at the weight of the boxes to get a sense for rugged construction. Look at the capability of the slides. Some boxes, the HF 44 comes to mind, have large drawers with poor quality slides. This makes it easy to overload the slides. Pretty sure the KRL uses high strength drawer slides. I would look especially at the top drawer.
 

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There is just no comparing the two, period. The HF unit is a super good deal and sitting in a garage or home shop will last you probably a lifetime. The KRL quality surpasses it in everyway and 2K is a very good price. It really comes down to how you value your dollar. I happen to have amongst several older boxes a fresh 56" top and bottom HF set up. I have absolutely no complaints about it with the exception I would have preferred a different drawer configuration, but I got more what I paid for (value wise) and have no regrets. Also I'm into this combo for just a tick over a grand. For me even though I'd like a little better lay-out and paint job, I'd also rather dump the savings of 3-4 grand over a SO set-up into tools.

Good luck!
 
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I happen to have amongst several older boxes a fresh 56" top and bottom HF set up. I have absolutely no complaints about it with the exception I would have preferred a different drawer configuration, but I got more what I paid for (value wise) and have no regrets.

Also I'm into this combo for just a tick over a grand. For me even though I'd like a little better lay-out and paint job, I'd also rather dump the savings of 3-4 grand over a SO set-up into tools.

Hope this isn't a hijack, but I have a question for LXCam. What if the difference between HF and Snap On wasn't 2 or 3 grand. What if, as the OP suggests, it's $700?

Just my 2 cents: I get that it makes sense to compare retail prices when comparing tools. But many times I have purchased Snap On second hand at prices, maybe still more than competitors, not much more. I think that makes SO a no brainer. But I'd like to hear what everybody else thinks.
 
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I seen this last month on one of those hf 72" boxes. I got on the ground and looked under the box to notice this

This picture explains enough about the 72" hf box. Not saying they all are like this tho
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I LOL when you assumed it would be up to par/better than HF. HF is way out of snap on's league and shouldn't even be compared to eachother. HF is decent for the money. Snap on is quality for the money. The deeper drawers makes a lot of differences. And I'm sure the HF is thinner medal.
 

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Hope this isn't a hijack, but I have a question for LXCam. What if the difference between HF and Snap On wasn't 2 or 3 grand. What if, as the OP suggests, it's $700? I would think the residual value would tip in favor of the snap on.

Just my 2 cents: I get that it makes sense to compare retail prices when comparing tools. But many times I have purchased second hand Snap On at prices, while still more than competitors, not much more. I think that makes SO a no brainer. But I'd like to hear what everybody else thinks.


Agreed on the residual value aspect. Quality tools always have a greater resale value.

I thought about discussing residual sales value for both boxes, but screw it, it would all be conjecture considering the HF72 has no history for how it will stay in decent operational shape and SO does. I would say considering the price he can get the used SO box for verses the HF unit. In the end he'll get a better return percentage wise back for the SO at a later date. If I wrenched in a commercial shop day in and day out and had to move my tools with me, SO all the way. For my home shop I'd rather just use the extra cash for something else.
 

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There are things in between the HF stuff and Snap On. At least look at the Montezuma, Tool Vault, Extreme, or some of the other tool truck brands. Mac and other tool truck brand boxes are easier to get cheap used deals than Snap On because.... you know.
 
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There are things in between the HF stuff and Snap On. At least look at the Montezuma, Tool Vault, Extreme, or some of the other tool truck brands. Mac and other tool truck brand boxes are easier to get cheap used deals than Snap On because.... you know.

Did you bother to read the original post?
 

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No offense, but once you get to a certain point of usable quality (ball bearing slides, heavy gauge construction, etc.) spending more on a toolbox, rather than the ACTUAL TOOLS that money could have bought, is a special kind of stupid.



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No comparison for 700 more. The depth difference alone is worth that, let alone construction and resale! The HF boxes are nice for money, but they do not even come close to high end SO boxes.
 

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No offense, but once you get to a certain point of usable quality (ball bearing slides, heavy gauge construction, etc.) spending more on a toolbox, rather than the ACTUAL TOOLS that money could have bought, is a special kind of stupid.





If the OP had asked about spending between an HF and a new Snap On at retail prices for home use, then you MIGHT have a point.

But if the OP could get a Snap On top level box of comparable size for only a few hundred more than an HF box, then unless he couldn't spare the cash he's probably better off going with the SO box.
 

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if you're patient you can get a good deal on a KRL on Craigslist. find a young kid who financed one new and is about to have it repossessed, then make an offer. you have to sense that they're desperate for this to work but it's worth it. play the game. I got mine for 1/3 list price and it looks brand new.
 

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No comparison for 700 more. The depth difference alone is worth that, let alone construction and resale! The HF boxes are nice for money, but they do not even come close to high end SO boxes.

Depth is where its at I you have the room. Id get the snap on before its gone
 

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I seen this last month on one of those hf 72" boxes. I got on the ground and looked under the box to notice this

This picture explains enough about the 72" hf box. Not saying they all are like this tho
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Wow! That's pretty bad even for china quality control. :eyecrazy:
 
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For home shop, these two boxes are comparable in terms of drawer space; the HF has 18drawers and the KRL7202 has 11 drawers. The 7 drawers difference makes up the SO's depth and less of drawers.

KRL7202 - $700/drawer ($8.5K, per website)
HF 72 - $110/drawer ($2K, per website)

Even if you can get it for a 1/3 of a price, it still cost $250/drawers.

I come from using HF 42" box, 6 husky boxes, now Lista boxes. I understand the value in SO KRL boxes but this one is a clear winner for HF 72" for HOME SHOP. The key point here HOME SHOP.
 

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look man. some good points, some guys maybe they're trying but not so good points. Here's the real story.

If you feel like its worth it, do it. If you don't, you won't get a bad box with the HF, but basically they aren't comparable. Some other possibilities in the middle like mentioned. Montezuma, Extreme, and so on.

But between these two, if you have the budget for the SO, yeah there's nothing close talked about so far. If you're trying to justify something out of your budget, then don't. To me it's as simple as that.
 

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Ok, so just to infuse some facts, I made a small xls spreadsheet to compare these two boxes.

Drawer Area- When considering two toolboxes, I compare the square inch footprint of all the drawers to get a sense for how much space I have for my tools. Boxes with many thin drawers will have a greater drawer area than, say, a Lista box designed to hold bulky items in 4 or 7 drawers. So you have to be careful about what this figure means in real terms. I find that HF sells boxes that look big and impressive in the store, but are really quite shallow in comparison to others. And this is the case here. This 6 foot long HF box has less usable storage space than the 4-1/2 foot long Snap On.

KRL 7022 drawer Area = 8341 sq in
HF 72 drawer area = 7466 sq in

For those of us with lots of tools, especially home shop mechanics who will invariably fill up our boxes with garage stuff, the real cost of tool storage is the cost per sq ft of storage space.

Cost per sq ft of storage (using $2000 as the cost of the KRL box):
KRL 7022 $34.50/sqft
HF 72 $23.14/sqft

Unsurprisingly, the Snap On KRL is roughly 33% more expensive.

To get a sense for the construction, I compare weight/box volume, to get a sort of box density if you will. I deducted for casters and used cubic feet:

KRL 17.4lbs/ft3
HF 72 15.6 lbs/ft3

The KRLs higher density indicates heavier steel or additional reinforcements.

Conclusion:
People with experience with both boxes will tell you there is no comparison between them. The KRL is a top of the line product from a world class company. It has features pro mechanics look for including high quality casters, and high capacity drawer slides (the big top drawer is rated for 450lbs versus 220lbs in the HF model). Construction of the KRL is excellent; Even though the boxes are roughly similar in weight, the Snap On model is more compact indicating additional reinforcing steel. The high second hand prices for these boxes indicates their long service life.

The HF 72" box, in keeping with HF's other smaller models, is a bottom of the line box offering an impressive looking front face, but not a lot of real storage capability. Low quality casters, drawer slides, and construction, limit the storage capability. Drawer layouts look impressive, but may not be all that helpful in the real world. Of the 18 total drawers, 12 are only 1 foot wide. Construction quality can be hit or miss. Every savvy HF customer will recommend a thorough in-store inspection if possible. That said, HF typically has good customer service in regard to initial purchase quality problems. Whether parts will be available in 10 years time is another question.

Despite the enormous difference between these boxes, the on-paper differences seem almost insignificant. All of the big drawers on both boxes are rated for at least 200lbs. For most people, this is probably sufficient. The amount of storage offered is also roughly comparable. Both boxes weigh in excessive of 500lbs, so we can't say one is flimsy. So apologies to the OP. I can see why he and others would think comparing these two boxes is fair.

My recommendation is to carefully consider the drawer layouts; would the many smaller drawers of the HF model help or hinder? The length of the HF could be detrimental in a crowded home garage. At 6' long, the HF takes up an extra foot and a half of wall space, offering no additional storage space. Are you happy to spend more than $1000 and take home a product that is decidedly at the bottom of the market in features and quality? What about resale value? If both boxes depreciate $500 over 10 years, was there ever really a difference in their price? We don't typically buy things (except cars) based on what they will be worth when we sell them, but maybe this should be factored in.

While I was hoping to help show the huge difference between these boxes, I feel I did the opposite. I'm leaving you to decide between new HF and used Snap On based on your unique situation.
 
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I would get the KRL just cause I know snap on boxes are better IMO and from using both. Not specifically the 72 but the 44 HF.

Anyways as far as resale if you get the HF at the best price available recently and it stays in real nice shape then I would guess in 5-10 years you would likely get what you pay for it back on Craigslist. I think the price will be a couple hundred higher over the next serverAl years. But I also think if the snap on is Bought for the right price and is a normal color people won't mind owning it will be worth pretty much the same as it is now if you sit and wait a little you might get a few huNdred more if you are not desperate.

Maybe you don't have a ton of room where you want to put the box, depth can be an issue at that Point. A 30 inch depth KRL Or EPIC next to my car in the garage would steal 6-8 inches or so of door opening clearance. That is is two or more times a day I would have to deal with it. I just have a KRA at home with an EPIC at work, and those depths are good for where I have the respective boxes.
 

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If both boxes depreciate $500 over 10 years, was there ever really a difference in their price?

Yes. If the snapon costs $2k and the hf $1k new, then the snapon costs $1158 more to own assuming an 8% return on your money.
 
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I read a lot about the comparisons between snap on boxes , hf boxes and others. I am a licensed professional mechanic, Have been for over 27 yrs.I have owned a few boxes presently a large snap on lower,top and locker combo,payed over $8000 and yes it is a nice box,but in the long run it only holds tools,nothing more ,nothing less.Buying quality tools is very important to do the job well,but a box !!!! A lot of snap on "fan boys" I read about are not using the boxes for there jobs and I wonder if the opinions are based on usefulness or the bragging rights. I am considering selling my box and buying an hf 72.I was looking at the Classic 96 from snap on but the price is nuts,$6000.Do I regret buying snap on ,a little yes due to the cost ,but I think the value for $ is not there in a snap on.Do I need a box built like a tank,last 50 yrs,nope.Do I still need the bragging rights, in the end they all hold tools.Dealer wants my box and $1500 for a new classic 96 !I can sell my box for $4500 and pocket almost $3000 if I go hf 72''.
After many years in the trade the thrill and ego boost of having a snap on box is gone,I now look at it realistically,will it make me more money....NO !
 

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Do you mind paying more for a better quality product?


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You can always buy the krl and sell it for more if it doesn't measure up to your needs. The black with red Handel's sounds like a pretty easy color combo to work with in resale.
 

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I have to laugh when people say a toolbox does not make them money.
The first point being that the saving of time with organization gets you more return.
Second point is most of the boxes we are taking about have work surfaces.
On my box I have built many assemblies, from hewland gear boxes to heads and a host of other items.
Also mounted on my box is a 6inch vise that I have bent, pressed bearing in and welded off of. I doubt the HF box would hold up to the forces exerted on the vise over the years.
The box has also held up one end of a car when we had a lift failure, and had a formula car sitting on it when we painted the floor.
I doubt you will find a HF box still in service after 35 years.
I had few of my slides replaced this year, no drama, 1 week wait time & no modification of part to make it fit.
One other issue about HF stuff and how they save money, they often do not bother to deburr the sharp edges not normally exposed, go feel under the welding table. So if your forced to do maintenance work on a HF toolbox draw be ready for a nasty surprise.
 

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Cubic storage comparisons are useless unless you plan on storing rice and other grains in your tool box. The extra depth is extremely useful and night and day.
 

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Cubic storage comparisons are useless unless you plan on storing rice and other grains in your tool box. The extra depth is extremely useful and night and day.

Plus drawer layout/type can make a huge difference.

Some of the cheaper toolboxes have excessively deep drawers for mechanic's tools. Some of the Homak boxes I've looked at while at Northern Tool have this issue, the top drawer of the roll cab and bottom drawers of the top chest, where one would be most likely to keep their sockets and wrenches, are way deeper than they need to be, even for deep well sockets.

The deeper drawers, IMHO, are great for power tools (circular saws, angle grinders, large drills, cased tools, etc) but for my use as a mechanic would be best left on the bottom of the unit where I can load them up with the seldom used bulky tools for stability.

Personally if I can afford a better brand with a better drawer layout, I would take that over the cheap boxes. While you can work with less than ideal drawer layout, a better drawer layout makes organization easier and more efficient.
 
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The 72" HF roller is designed to sell in the $1,000 range... Good buy at that price. But it is not very deep, and comes with only a 90 day warranty. The OOO-AAAH look of the front of the HF line of tool boxes will fade when the drawers are opened and measured.., But if it suits your needs;;;;;;;that is what counts.

The used KRL was built to sell at a substantially higher price, and was targeted for decades of use in a Professional environment. Far deeper box than the bargainboxes. May be far more than needed in a homeowner garage,,, A used KRL in good condition; at a reasonable price, would be a lifetime investment for many of us..

I believe your question was answered in your first post::: The depth of KRL makes it the winner...but we don't have to tell you that. :lol::lol::lol:
 
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