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A_Pmech

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I have a couple and theybwork great.

The bag ***** horribly at removing fine dust, because it isn't designed for that. I put the whole collector outside and problem solved!
 

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you referring to the top bag filter that doesnt filter anything right?

currently working on making mine a 2 stage with a thein baffle that's not set up yet. Planning to get the cylinder filter that fits on top of it. have to look up the brand/model again sometime soon.
 

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I've used one for about 5 years now, the filter bag isn't great but you won't get much better then it without spending a lot more. Even at twice the price grizzly, jet and others still comes with a filter bag. You can buy a much better pleated filter for it that solves the whole thing. Currently I'm working on setting up a 2hp grizzly with a duct run and the HF will be dedicated to just the planer. It is one of the best values but be careful what you **** up, the impeller can bend fins and a real chunk of wood can damage the hose and hose connection leading to the filter.
 
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Yes , had it for 3 years or so. The bag set up *****. I got tired of it & directly vented it outside. One of the best things I have done.

Pictures of what it looks like to vent outside? This could be an option for me. Do any of you have it ducted for a second tool? Eventually going to get a table saw, it would probably have about 15' of hose ran from the collector to it.
 

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Venting a dust collector to the outside can open up a whole new set of issues, so consider carefully before you assume you can take that route.

I made a 2 stage from a basic 1 hp collector, 55 gallon drum, Oneida's cyclone kit and a pleated filter I got off ebay. Probably 350$ invested for an excellent system that is plumbed to 6 ports. One can only really run 1 port at once, but if you're a solo operator anyway that should be enough.
 
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Probably going to pull then trigger, it's 148after 25% off coupon. Don't think I will find a better deal for my needs. Is this something most stores stock?


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I like HFT because they sell stuff reasonably and are conveniently-located. Yes, sometimes their stuff doesn't have the best tooling, but often enough their equipment gets the job done, at a reasonable price.

An example: we did a whole house remodel. The GC got bids to demo two existing baths, $1,000 apiece. I wnt to HFT & bought an electric SDS-Max bit demo hammer, and went to work. I stripped both down to the block waals, or studs, including the tile floors to the floor joists, and rebuilt the floor joists under a wet wall where the replacement of them was required. Then I sheathed the floors, and let the GC finish. I don't recall the exact price of the demo hammer, I think it was $100 on sale, and I bought a set of drill bits, and I broke a wide chisel tip, so I had the wife go to HD & get a SDS-Max Bosch replacement. So let's say, another $75 in bits.

So, about a $200 investment. HD sells Dewalt and Bosch at a $400 price point, call it nearly $500 w/the SDS-Max bits I got. Twice the price. For the amoult of use I'm going to need this tool for, the HFT was economical and it performed w/no functional issues that would have kept me from using it again, or to complete the job. I did look at online comments, and they were correct in the things they mentioned, in the use of the tool, but as I said, nothing that made it unusable. Would I rather have the Dewalt or Bosch? Sure, but I didn't need it, and the tool paid for itself, and I've already used it again to demo a slab for a plumbing pipe repair.

Another example: I have a WW II-era Delta benchtop drill press DP220, that I had wrung-off the hex bolt which is the belt adjustment mechanism, on one side, it has two hex bolts clamping down on the motor bracket support tubes into the DP head. I tried grabbing what was left exposed, not enough to get a grip to remove. I tried using my Dremel to cut a slot in the stub, and first used a slotted screwdriver,no-go, and then a hand impact driver, still no-go. I went to HFT, bought a set of left-handed drill bits, 20% off made it $6. I came home, about 15 min. w/the left-handed drills, an easy-out from my Craftsman tap & die set I bought new 39 years ago, and that recalcitrant broken-off stub came right-out. I got a grade 5 replacement 5/16 x 18 tpi x 3/4" pair of replacement hex bolts at HD, provided tension to snug the belts, but not tight, and the DP is back in operation. I them took it to my local Habitat for Humanity, where I sold it to the floor manager, a Hatian, who is sending back to the island all he can scrounge to set-up people in business there. So another example of a HFT investment of $6 allowing me to restore functionality to a tool that was built during the Battle of the Bulge, according to the foundry date (11-8-1944) I found on the bottom of the work table, and the serial # date, of 1944. Now this piece will probably live to serve in another country for many more years. Another HFT tool success.

The cheapest left-handed set Grainger's sells is $261, a Chicago-Latrobe set, 15 pieces. Better quality? Yes, I'm sure. But the set costs more than the drill press is worth. Could I have bought several bits instead of the entire set? Yes, but I didn't even try to see if Grainger's had them in-stock, because I'd recently this past week been in HFT, and saw a set there, and said, "I should get them, for when I need them." Also HFT is closer to me than Grainger's. Anyway, another example where HFT filled the bill.

Now, I know your sentiment was made as a generalization about the offshore nature of their tools as 'offshore Chicom junk,' but for me they allowed me to do repairs that needed to be done, at reasonable cost, with tools that will continue to work far-beyond my immediate specific need for them, at the time I purchased them. Yes, they will continue to 'collect dust' until I need them again, and I expect they will get the job done, reasonably.

Everything they sell is a damned dust-collector to me.
 

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Venting a dust collector to the outside can open up a whole new set of issues, so consider carefully before you assume you can take that route.

I made a 2 stage from a basic 1 hp collector, 55 gallon drum, Oneida's cyclone kit and a pleated filter I got off ebay. Probably 350$ invested for an excellent system that is plumbed to 6 ports. One can only really run 1 port at once, but if you're a solo operator anyway that should be enough.

Do this^^^^

And its just a spinning motor and fan, no need to buy the Name Brand mark up models.
 

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Do this^^^^

And its just a spinning motor and fan, no need to buy the Name Brand mark up models.

I would disagree with this, the 2hp grizzly I have has a much bigger impeller which is cast vs riveted, I can bend the fins on the HF by hand, not even close with the grizzly. By bigger it is both diameter and depth so the housing is bigger. This let's it hook up straight to a 6" run. Actually there are a number of things that make the grizzly better by far, that said the HF hasn't let me down in 4 years and does a great job collecting dust. Venting to the outside can create a number of issues if you're running heat or ac in the space or even in a connected space or if you have a gas/propane furnace or water heater in the space or connected to it.
The HF still pulls 400-450cfm of air, it can **** all heat or cold out pretty quickly and jack your utility bill. It can also draw in the replacement air in through the gas vents creating problems with fumes and air contamination. Garage in the summer time or something similar fine. Also be aware just piping it outside can create a sawdust pile/ piss off close neighbors with fine dust.
 

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I just want to make sure. The 2HP Harbor Freight dust collector is 110v or 220v?

A quick look at Grizzly looked like their 2HP were 220v and their 1-1/2 HP models could be either but prewired 110v. The Grizzly's definitely cost a bit more.
 

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I would disagree with this, the 2hp grizzly I have has a much bigger impeller which is cast vs riveted, I can bend the fins on the HF by hand, not even close with the grizzly. By bigger it is both diameter and depth so the housing is bigger. This let's it hook up straight to a 6" run. Actually there are a number of things that make the grizzly better by far, that said the HF hasn't let me down in 4 years and does a great job collecting dust. Venting to the outside can create a number of issues if you're running heat or ac in the space or even in a connected space or if you have a gas/propane furnace or water heater in the space or connected to it.
The HF still pulls 400-450cfm of air, it can **** all heat or cold out pretty quickly and jack your utility bill. It can also draw in the replacement air in through the gas vents creating problems with fumes and air contamination. Garage in the summer time or something similar fine. Also be aware just piping it outside can create a sawdust pile/ piss off close neighbors with fine dust.

That is great info, some of which I hadn't even thought about. Thanks.
 

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Consider the HF unit a 1.5hp or less, but it's 110V. The 2hp rating is silly. I use it just to vent outside and it does a great job there. It doesn't stop much in the way of fine particulates (the dangerous stuff) as noted.
 
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Hmm lots to think about. I probably won't vent outside since I have space inside. If I did I have no real concerns, empty space about 150' to property line. No gas, all electric. I will be putting a mini split in this spring, heater use is minimal in my area, hot summers of 100+ is what will get me.


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If impeller size/quality is an issue down the road, replace it. My neighbor replaced his with the Rikon impeller and it was a direct fit. Wynn filter and a separator, and this is a good unit for the price.
 

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I was just wondering what issues you are talking about as to venting it outside.
 

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keep in mind also the '2HP' unit is a 20A motor and you will damage it over time underpowering it with a 15A outlet.
 

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I was debating this same exact thing. However, my setup would have involved getting a 2HP fan and the super dust deputy and venting outside. Come to think of it could I just get away with a 1 HP harbor freight unit? Other than that question I think the 2HP unit is the best value for what your getting in terms of a complete unit.
 
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I was just wondering what issues you are talking about as to venting it outside.

Derosa hit on some such issues above

[...] Venting to the outside can create a number of issues if you're running heat or ac in the space or even in a connected space or if you have a gas/propane furnace or water heater in the space or connected to it.

The HF still pulls 400-450cfm of air, it can **** all heat or cold out pretty quickly and jack your utility bill. It can also draw in the replacement air in through the gas vents creating problems with fumes and air contamination. Garage in the summer time or something similar fine. Also be aware just piping it outside can create a sawdust pile/ piss off close neighbors with fine dust.
 
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keep in mind also the '2HP' unit is a 20A motor and you will damage it over time underpowering it with a 15A outlet.



I can easily put a 20 amp outlet and breaker. Leaning towards buying it and making a couple of the suggested tweaks unless someone else has another suggestion in the same price point.


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Seeing as that's a HF model, i assume the one that goes for $200, with a 20% or 25% off coupon can't you get a new one for less that you can take back if there's any probs with it? Not sure it's worth getting a hand-me-down just for the "bunch of misc. hose and fittings".
Its a general, according to the label on it so not HF, it is also dual voltage which the HF is not. Basically it is probably the same as the 1.5hp grizzly which is a more expensive unit, but I've never see one or had it apart so I don't know if it is any better construction. Hoses could make it more worth while as those can be 20.00 each.
 

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Seeing as that's a HF model, i assume the one that goes for $200, with a 20% or 25% off coupon can't you get a new one for less that you can take back if there's any probs with it? Not sure it's worth getting a hand-me-down just for the "bunch of misc. hose and fittings".

Not the same at all. General is a pretty well respected brand of wood working tools. It also has a 2 micron bag instead of the HF 5 micron. The impeller looks pretty substantial too.

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http://www.homedepot.com/p/General-International-1-5-HP-Dust-Collector-10-105-M1/205414480
 

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Thanks for the replies and corrections. I saw that green and 'General' and must have been thinking of 'US General' which is a Harbor Freight brand for their tool boxes & whatnot. Didn't even dawn on me HF's is a "Central Machinery" tagged item.
 
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I ended up pulling the trigger on the HF one, Craigslist ones didn't materialize.

$150+ tax. Will do a couple of the mods suggested to beed it up. In a few years when the house is paid off I will upgrade to something much nicer.

Thanks for all the great info. I will probably start a new thread once I start putting it together and modding it.


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FWIW, just left my local HF, had to use that 25% off coupon before it expired, as I was walking out they had one of these systems pulled for a customer waiting to be picked up, I thought about this thread, GL w/your new system!
 

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Nice! You will be happy with the improved dust collection.

I will say it again, definitely look into a cyclone system. Either DIY or bought (Oneida) and others are available and will cut your filter/cleaning/air borne by 90%.

Oh, and personally I like rigid duct work much more then flex. I ran flex in my 1st small shop and it had issues like sagging, punctures, etc...
 

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back in the day (before GJ), I got caught up in the massive HF dust collector thread over on woodnet. there were lots of mods, IIRC the best was to use a plastic bag on the lower and replace the upper with an aftermarket filter bag that was larger and flowed better, yet captured dust. consensus was the bags that came with them were useless.

unfortunately, no one seems to be able to find the original massive thread, but I found a link where someone pasted some of the pertinent info on bags and mods, scroll down about a quarter of the way...

https://www.homeownershub.com/woodworking/harbor-freight-dc-56203-.htm
 

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I'm partial to 2-stage DC systems but it's simple enough to put a drum ahead of the impeller on that HF unit--or a cyclone if you really want to boost performance. Catching the big stuff before it hits the fan extends it's life and you may never have to empty that awkward bag again.
 

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Here's some pics. It needs to be sized up in hose/pipe/duct, but it works.

Cleaner, saves time not changing out bags, takes up less room.

Heat loss is a none issue.

This made me smile. Michigan right? Non-issue bc you don't heat the shop right? No way sucking 1200CFM around your windows & doors & blowing it outside isn't an "issue".
 

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Just bought, sight unseen, a used Grizzly G1030Z2P twin bag dust collector, supposedly in like new condition, for $250. It's about time; should have it next week. This is the 3hp, 220-volt model. I intend to eventually convert it to a cyclone system. Looks like this except it's green.

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Here's the seller's photo, as long as it lasts.

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A good dust collection system is invaluable in a workshop and a benefit for health and safety. I have mine outside the shop in a lean-to that has a return duct to the shop. My dust collector is a clone to the HF and other offshore models but works good for one tool at a time. The return duct is 12x12" and has a barometric damper that is closed when the fan is off. This balances the air in the shop rather than **** in cold air as a replacement for whatever went out to the dust collector. Here is more than you wanted to know about dust collection by Bill Penz,
http://billpentz.com/woodworking/cyclone/index.cfm
 
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A good dust collection system is invaluable in a workshop and a benefit for health and safety. I have mine outside the shop in a lean-to that has a return duct to the shop. My dust collector is a clone to the HF and other offshore models but works good for one tool at a time. The return duct is 12x12" and has a barometric damper that is closed when the fan is off. This balances the air in the shop rather than **** in cold air as a replacement for whatever went out to the dust collector. Here is more than you wanted to know about dust collection by Bill Penz,
http://billpentz.com/woodworking/cyclone/index.cfm



Thanks for posting the bill penz article, I stumbled across it before, pretty valuable stuff.

I have decided to give a try to making a DIY cyclone separator. The premade one is
Nice but at $170 for the molded or 270 for the heavy duty it's pricey.

After talking to my father in law I have decided to vent outside as well. Read a few articles about it and think it's a good option for me. I will build some kind of catch outside. I have 1 neighbor on that side of my property and they are 100'+ away.

Right now I'm looking at cutting a 55 gallon barrel down to fit under my future miter saw station, or I might turn it on its side. Also like the idea of building one out of plexiglass so it's clear, then building a wood frame around it for support.


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I have one and it works great, truly one of a short list of the best things that HF sells.

Bag definitely *****, I replaced my filter bag with a canister filter from Wynn Environmental. I plan to take the whole thing apart soon and build a cyclone setup out of it but it works really well as-is.
 

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Thanks for posting the bill penz article, I stumbled across it before, pretty valuable stuff.

I have decided to give a try to making a DIY cyclone separator. The premade one is
Nice but at $170 for the molded or 270 for the heavy duty it's pricey.

After talking to my father in law I have decided to vent outside as well. Read a few articles about it and think it's a good option for me. I will build some kind of catch outside. I have 1 neighbor on that side of my property and they are 100'+ away.

Right now I'm looking at cutting a 55 gallon barrel down to fit under my future miter saw station, or I might turn it on its side. Also like the idea of building one out of plexiglass so it's clear, then building a wood frame around it for support.

I'm having a tough time picturing either. You couldn't turn a cyclone on its side, because gravity is what pulls the big pieces down the cone into the catch container instead of up with the dust, and likewise the cyclone's cone over the catch container will need to be taller than any miter saw stand I've seen. Even the mini cyclones over 5 gal buckets meant to be used with shop-vacs are taller than that, and the ones that are to be used with a dust collector need to be quite a bit larger than that.
 
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Hmm I'll have to keep drawing up some ideas. I could build part of the cabinet to hold it, will have to check some measurements.

I've seen some that don't use a cone, still trying to find out how good these work.


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