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[6PTsocket]

I always thought the idea of dual pawls wass that the load was shared between two pawls not one pawl for eash direction. The The traditional SK has a left/right pawl on opposite sides of the rotating drive. Two pawls are always working.

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[Codejack]

"True dual pawl" or whatever you wish to call it isn't anything New, Older Proto's (that's a closer copy than the dual 80) or older Wright pear heads just off the top of my head. I will reinterate... And yes I Own both dual 80's and a HF Pro along with the Ez red 72 tooth ratchets and they aren't even a copy. The gear is thinner, the tooth engagement due to the small paws doesn't come close to the paw/gear surface contact area of the dual 80 rats. If you wish to get technical, the Snap on utilizes a floating dual paw versus a fixed dual paw on the 72 tooth mechanism that runs rampant among import ratchets brands including the HF Pro. Off the top of my head, I'm not aware of any other manufactuer who sells a floating dual paw setup.

I never claimed you said it was just as good, nor that you said they where exact. I do refute your copy claim based off the above examples.

You can buy what you want, no Need to "Tell me anything". I own lots of quality ratchets, most are capable of removing fasteners, some will allow you to push the limits on amore regular basis.

Fair enough, I was just pointing out that the HF pros are closer to SO than they are to, say, Craftsman or Kobalt. The pawls look similar to that proto design, but the Proto has a single-tooth "pawl!"

I grant that the 7 teeth on the SO pawl will be superior to the 5 teeth on the HF, that the gear is thinner (although in a low profile ratchet, that seems like it would be an advantage...) and that, in general, the SO will be a better ratchet. That's why I bought one, in the size I use most often.

"Floating pawl" - I see the advantages, but I also see some disadvantages. Low backdrag, smoother operation; but then, it seems like a questionable design decision from a strength/reliability standpoint, which is odd given the thrust of your argument.

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Like so much else, this seems to be as much a personal preference, as anything else, and the one great advantage of Snap On as opposed to Harbor Freight or Craftsman or anyone but the other tool truck brands, is the service.

When I can afford to pay for the service, that's when I'll start buying more of their tools. Maybe.

 

[kythri]

I always thought the idea of dual pawls wass that the load was shared between two pawls not one pawl for eash direction. The The traditional SK has a left/right pawl on opposite sides of the rotating drive. Two pawls are always working.

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If I'm not mistaken, some dual pawl setups are like that, where the drive mechanism actually has half the teeth of whatever the ratchet is "rated", and it alternates between two pawls to give a double-the-actual-amount-of-teeth feel.

I haven't taken apart one of my GearWrench 120XP ratchets, but I believe they are setup like that.

 

[Hiball]

Fair enough, I was just pointing out that the HF pros are closer to SO than they are to, say, Craftsman or Kobalt. The pawls look similar to that proto design, but the Proto has a single-tooth "pawl!"

I grant that the 7 teeth on the SO pawl will be superior to the 5 teeth on the HF, that the gear is thinner (although in a low profile ratchet, that seems like it would be an advantage...) and that, in general, the SO will be a better ratchet. That's why I bought one, in the size I use most often.

"Floating pawl" - I see the advantages, but I also see some disadvantages. Low backdrag, smoother operation; but then, it seems like a questionable design decision from a strength/reliability standpoint, which is odd given the thrust of your argument.

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Like so much else, this seems to be as much a personal preference, as anything else, and the one great advantage of Snap On as opposed to Harbor Freight or Craftsman or anyone but the other too truck brands, is the service.

When I can afford to pay for the service, that's when I'll start buying more of their tools. Maybe.

The Proto's single tooth paw is because it's only like a 25 tooth ratchet.. Lol

There is nothing weak or questionable about the dual 80 design, it's tried and true, Low back drag is good as it allows you to rotate the ratchet without turning the fastener when you starting a fastener/removing it. It has little to do with tooth count, more so the design.

I don't wish to get into a brand debate, there is No written rules that claim you must use Truck tools to be productive. I would reccomend more wrench turning versus internet fodder to learn about tools and there weaknesses and strengths.

 

[Codejack]

I always thought the idea of dual pawls wass that the load was shared between two pawls not one pawl for eash direction. The The traditional SK has a left/right pawl on opposite sides of the rotating drive. Two pawls are always working.

Yea, there are a couple of different "dual pawl" setups.

Some, like the Gearwrench 120xp, have two pawls stacked on top of one another, slightly offset so that they take turns engaging. This results in extremely small swing arc, but high backdrag and a smaller contact surface between the pawl and the wheel, as well as the traditional single-pawl problem of the engagement force being limited to a proportion of the spring strength.

Others, like Snap On, Harbor Freight, that old Proto shown above, etc, use separate pawls on each side. The HF and Proto design wedges the pawl between the wheel and the case, so that the engagement force is limited only by the strength of the material. SO's floating design gives less back drag and smoother operation, but loses the advantage of the long pawl design.

To be fair, the SO is probably designed so that the proportion of the spring strength used for engagement is close to the shear strength of the pawls, but that's the kind of thing that you are paying extra for: A lot more design work for a little smoother operation without losing any strength that wouldn't cause worse damage to another type of ratchet.

 

[Codejack]

I would reccomend more wrench turning versus internet fodder to learn about tools and there weaknesses and strengths.

OK, you've talked me into it; I'm going to get the HF ratchet today!

Seriously, I was going to, anyway, and I want to see the difference.

My last ratchet was a circa 1998 Kobalt/Williams 17-tooth or something (kidding, probably 40ish), so my starting point is a little out of date.

 

[Hiball]

OK, you've talked me into it; I'm going to get the HF ratchet today!

Seriously, I was going to, anyway, and I want to see the difference.

My last ratchet was a circa 1998 Kobalt/Williams 17-tooth or something (kidding, probably 40ish), so my starting point is a little out of date.

I've abused my Ez red ratchets a hell of a lot more than the HF Pro, mainly because off the handle length. I don't dislike the mechanism, but it's not near as refined or pleasant to use, but does do its job. The backdrag is terrible, even on a broke in ratchet, but then again I have the long handle rats, which does play into the equation.

 

[Codejack]

They are gotten; I will post elsewhere, as this thread isn't really appropriate.

 

[Mr_B]

Snapon ratchets are without a doubt superb design and manufacture and probably one of the few tools they excel in .
The taiwan dual pawl 72 tooths are pretty decent design and manufacture for the retailing prices.
You would be hard pushed easily bust one without a cheater pipe.
teeth jump before drive square fails as pawl ramping and teeth on the dual 80 design is better, double pawls so selector not loaded is way better than single pawl taiwan made ratchets. I got pitts pro flexi's and ezred extendible and ezred backdrag is surprisingly low IMO, have stripped and lubed all my taiwan ratchets.
Carlyle 90tooth about best buy taiwan ratchet for quality to cost (napa sale or online order price deal)
Pitts Pro ratchets about best low cost with life warranty which currently no hassle and total swap old for new.
Snapon gets respect for shear strength, taiwan 72 tooth gets respect for producing a very usable quality ratchet for silly cheap money . HF gets respect for current piss easy pitts pro warranty procedure and about lowest price on taiwan ratchets .