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jack stand

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^^^ yeah when someone starts taking about conserving water I'll always tell them that you're tap water was once dinosaur piss.
I understand that it's different out west where it wants to be or used to be a dessert.
 
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When my kids were teenagers they would drain the water heater if you let them. I swapped in a 1.0 gpm shower head designed for use on a boat.

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We did ~ 5 min showers, same as I do now. Once in a while I'll stay a few minutes more to thaw out if I'm cold from being out all day.

Dad never got on us, but he didn't have a reason to either. I never understood people taking like 20+ min showers. Unless you're 700lbs, there's only so much sq footage to wash!
 

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where you live and where your water comes from make a big difference.

is it river water being treated and put in the ocean? that's a pretty finite(limited) source

it is great lakes water being used in the home and going directly to the treatment plant? that's a big circle. the water isn't really being "consumed".
Mine comes out the ground near the shop on one side and goes back in on the other side about 100ft away. Only "waste" is the maybe $10 a month to pump it.
 

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We did ~ 5 min showers, same as I do now. Once in a while I'll stay a few minutes more to thaw out if I'm cold from being out all day.

Dad never got on us, but he didn't have a reason to either. I never understood people taking like 20+ min showers. Unless you're 700lbs, there's only so much sq footage to wash!
It feels good and relaxes everything.
 

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We just rec’d a new water meter this week. It is wireless and reports usage to the town. It has an app called EyeOnWater. With it I can monitor our water use on just a couple hour delay timing. We’ve been heere for a couple years and the water dept has been helpful on a couple PO issues/fixes. We are not in severe drought conditions currently. I suspect in really dry years there will be a certain Big Brother side to things or the rates will change and you will be charged by use tiers as we are with power/gas. I was checking out the new meter head the other day and the neighbor came out. He is the only one to not have signed up for the new meter. “Ah, I don’t want that…” I said, well, did you see the part where if they have to come out to read your old meter they are charging you $20 a month for the reader? “What’s their number?”
 

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We just rec’d a new water meter this week. It is wireless and reports usage to the town. It has an app called EyeOnWater. With it I can monitor our water use on just a couple hour delay timing. We’ve been heere for a couple years and the water dept has been helpful on a couple PO issues/fixes. We are not in severe drought conditions currently. I suspect in really dry years there will be a certain Big Brother side to things or the rates will change and you will be charged by use tiers as we are with power/gas. I was checking out the new meter head the other day and the neighbor came out. He is the only one to not have signed up for the new meter. “Ah, I don’t want that…” I said, well, did you see the part where if they have to come out to read your old meter they are charging you $20 a month for the reader? “What’s their number?”
Are there any sort of flow control or shutoff capabilities built into the meter?
Just wondering...
 

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I got a call from a customer who was unhappy with his shower. I was the Rinnai Rep at the time and was asked to go help the plumber out. I meet the homeowner and plumber and see this enormous custom head with dozens of brass nozzles. Plumber says the system checks out. HO says I paid $4000 for the shower head, which he did not buy from the plumber. I go check out the water heater install, Everything checks out. The single unit is making 4.8 gpm at the flow and temp rise which is right on spec. We then got a 5 gal pail and filled it really quickly. The HO getting pissed off keeps telling me that he paid $4000 for the shower head. Me, going through the numbers makes no difference.. “I paid $4000 for the shower head…” He had a 20 gpm $4000 shower head on a 4.8gpm hot water supply system. I told him he will need a larger gas supply and three more tankless units to feed said shower head. As I left the building I hear him fading into the background, “I paid $4000 for the shower head…”

So, got Hot Water?
I have to laugh at that, and thank God I don't have to deal with stupid customers. As for the $4K shower head,
"there's a sucker born every minute." They don't have the brains to understand that the installation calls-for certain parameters, to function properly.
If he wanted that much hot water, maybe he should have put the $4000 into a heated swimming pool!
$4K will probably get you a quality heat pump, installed in your pool. Depending on your electrical or gas availability in proximity to the heat pump, that would be more to service the new appliance.

You could get a good start on a Toto tankless toilet/bidet https://www.totousa.com/products/neorest with that $4,000. Here is ours, a Toto toilet/bidet, which in your elder years, makes it easier to maintain health 'down-there.' The electronic control, wireless and removable from its mounting bracket, has more controls on it than our cable TV remote. Water temperature, the force and direction of stream (female and male) and force; air volume, temperature, and direction, and more; my favorite function is that it senses your arrival and you can program it to raise the top lid and the seat, or just the top lid. I'd like it to greet me: "hello Dave, have a seat."

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Lol. How much do you think a pool costs?
We just got a final (inspection) this year on a pool renovation. We kept the hole, and replaced everything else. The permit took over a year to go thru the city planning dept. Remember, this was for a renovation, not a new installation. It was sealed by a P.E. and the pool contractor. The job cost > the first FL home I bought, a mile from the Atlantic Ocean, in 1980.

After we got the 15 months of waiting permit, work was underway. We got all new plumbing, and two skimmers, code required 1. We also added a spa w/a spillway into the deep-end. It's about 7 ft square. A new floor drain, and a spa; the spa we didn't previously have.

The pool has 3 'wet' lights, the spa, 1. They have a rainbow of colors, choose one, two, or three. The fiber optic system circles through your color choices or you can set it on one. I like the one that's red, white and blue, perfect for Memorial Day, the 4th of July, or Veterans' Day.

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We changed the pool configuration, now the shallow end has 3 steps into the pool. The deep end has a full-width seating area, and you can get into the spa spillway there too. Here's a satisfied pool/spa user.

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One of the issues we had was that we didn't want to order any material until we had an approved set of plans. Once we had the approved plans, the sandblasted Turkish marble (non-skid, or at-least less-chance of skid) we wanted, for the pool deck, was not in-stock and we had to wait nearly 3 months for the freighter from Turkey to deliver the Sea-Tainer of tile to the Port of Miami. We could have chosen another material/finish, but we decided to wait to get what we wanted. I'm glad we waited, as it came-out beautifully. The pool deck was sand-filled between adjacent tiles, and then sealed.

The #1 improvement for the deck was that the old deck, of concrete under red brick pavers, was too-hot to comfortably walk upon in the heat of the summer. The red brick pavers also held a lot of heat, and after sunset, you could feel the radiated heat, well-into the night. The pool would get into the mid-90'sF during the summer, good for a shower or a bath, but not for escaping an 'en Floride' summer heat. It wouldn't be until September that you could sense the pool temperature lessening, and the red brick paver deck also.

They laid the Turkish sandblasted marble with shallow pitches, you can't really see them, until it rains. The pitch channels the runoff rainwater into shallow depressions away from the house, and to the grass outside the pool deck. Watching them do the layout was fascinating. They used a surveyor's twine to establish the pitch and direction of the depression and most-importantly, it works, even in a South Florida 'frog-choker' summer afternoon thunderstorm. For those the runoff spreads a bit wider on the surface of the Turkish marble deck, and it drains well, and quickly. The grass has a good pitch down and away from the pool deck, to the property line.

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I found this Speakman shower head at the local Habitat for Humanity. I soaked it in vinegar for several days, and it cleaned-up nicely. You can see it says, "inside volume regulator," and it probably weighs a couple of pounds. We have hansgrohe bathroom fixtures in our four bathrooms, the house got re-modeled w/additions front & back, just before we retired ~ 8 years ago. So the Speakman sits on a shelf in a garage cabinet.

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Speakman Anystream Self-Cleaning Head No. 1 12-19-50 patent pending

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The hansgrohe rear-of-home en-suite master bedroom has a good-sized shower, two sides are tempered glass. On the two CBS block walls, we had installed 4 hansgrohe body jets on connecting walls, hansgrohe diverters, and temperature controls. Overhead is a rainfall shower head, probably 8-9" wide. Like many other houses, we have a hand-held showerhead, on a vertical bar, allowing you to remove the hand-held showerhead, or to use it, sliding up/down to suit the personal needs of the user. The space is big-enough that two people can use it. It's fed by a Rinnai tankless gas water heater, so no running-out of hot water.

I find myself using the wall-mounted hand-held shower head mostly, though sometimes I do a cycle through the overhead 'rainfall' fixed shower head, and the 4 body jets. You can just pirouette-around at the points of convergence of the body jets, and get a good rinse, or just a therapeutic all-over body shower.

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There are a couple of reflections on the rainfall showerhead, those aren't corrosion. The big one is the floor drain.

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I've showered in quite a few different showers and I have never felt the need for more water volume except for my motorhome. I assume my ten year old shower heads are 2.5 GPM, but I never bother to check since I get plenty of water to get me clean. I keep the water volume low in my motorhome to reduce water use.
 

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First day in the new house....every flow restrictor removed and the toilet tanks set to max level.
Didn't know they had such a thing. Or well, I didn't know it could be removed. I don't understand this whole water saving thing. Back when I had city water the bill was the same whether I took one shower a day or three.
 

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Didn't know they had such a thing. Or well, I didn't know it could be removed. I don't understand this whole water saving thing. Back when I had city water the bill was the same whether I took one shower a day or three.
the biggest (unintended) driver of my bill was a leaking toilet valve. cost more than watering new grass on a timer!
 

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Didn't know they had such a thing. Or well, I didn't know it could be removed. I don't understand this whole water saving thing. Back when I had city water the bill was the same whether I took one shower a day or three.
Plenty of aquifers in the Midwest are going dry due to overuse. A lot of treated wastewater is discharged into rivers so it doesn’t recharge the aquifers. I’m sure you have read all about the water issues in the Southwest too.
 

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I just bought a Delta shower head for our spare bathroom. It's rated for 1.75 gpm. First thing I did after unboxing it was to drill out the restrictor.

My shower, my decision.
 
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^ All depends upon where you live.
If you use ONE gallon of city water, you will pay for THREE gallons of sewer/stormwater.
There is a monetary incentive to use less water here - in the Pacific Northwest - where it rains all the time.
 

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^ All depends upon where you live.
If you use ONE gallon of city water, you will pay for THREE gallons of sewer/stormwater.
There is a monetary incentive to use less water here - in the Pacific Northwest - where it rains all the time.
Here in N. Colorado, my water bill in the winter runs around $74/month. I use less than 1000 gal/month and my water bill shows zero usage. Stormwater/sewer charges are the bulk of my bill.
 

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My wife complained that the shower head in our new house didn't flow enough. She replaced with a different one with the restrictor removed. But even she thought it was too much like being blasted with a hose and I hated it. So she put the old one back in with part of the restrictor removed. I think it's too much when its on full so I just crack it open. But she's happy. Neither of us take long showers so it doesn't matter much for usage.

We're on a well but we have a whole house R/O system. A gallon we use was three from the well. Last month the well pumped about 6000 gallons, so we used roughly 2000.
 

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@paulsomlo -

Tacoma has upgraded to very expensive treatment plants, and re-plumbed the entire city to separate sewer from stormwater. Hence water rates here are sky high.
Fortunately, electricity is fairly cheap here.
Seattle, on the other hand, runs everything into the same pipes, so they're pumping raw sewage into Elliott Bay and the Duwamish River every time we get real heavy rainfall. They can't get voters to pony up the money to upgrade the system, so they pay millions of dollars in fines to the EPA every year.
All really quite crazy.
 

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My wife likes a high flow shower. I prefer a reduced flow.
My solution is a quarter-turn shutoff valve to adjust flow, mounted in the shower pipe where it exits the wall.
Our very own adjustable flow restrictor.

Funny thing is my wife seems to have adjusted to my preferred reduced shower flow, so it pretty much stays in the same 45-degree partial-flow position all the time.

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My wife likes a high flow shower. I prefer a reduced flow.
My solution is a quarter-turn shutoff valve to adjust flow, mounted in the shower pipe where it exits the wall.
Our very own adjustable flow restrictor.

Funny thing is my wife seems to have adjusted to my preferred reduced shower flow, so it pretty much stays in the same 45-degree partial-flow position all the time.

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Holy s*** how far does your shower head stick out from the wall?
 

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Your water bill.
Let me clarify: I drilled a hole into it. 3/16"? I just grabbed a drill and drilled. My wife just took a shower in it and liked the flow. Happy wife, Happy Life!

Water bill: Normally ~$30/mo. $35 this last month due to another(!) Simmonds water hydrant leak - while we were on a short trip. Of course, the WD texted me about the leak just as we arrived in Pittsburgh. :(
 

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^ All depends upon where you live.
If you use ONE gallon of city water, you will pay for THREE gallons of sewer/stormwater.
There is a monetary incentive to use less water here - in the Pacific Northwest - where it rains all the time.
Hey, it's a robust shower! What else matters?

Of course, there will probably be future rants here, about ridiculous high water bills.

Wife says water rates in the town of her Moms rentals, have gone up 20% in the last year.
 

kbuhagiar

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The city I live in absolutely gouges us on the water bill. My average water bill is about $170 a month, $17 of which is water usage.
Sam here in Escondido (San Diego County) - water rates are through the roof, although for us it's mostly for actual water usage.
We've got 1 acre of landscaping and our water bill is over $200 a month.
 

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raise the cost of electricity and chemicals, labor, and the price of city water will go up. Little water is lost thru modern city sewer systems. Water comes out of a river or wells, and goes back into the river down stream or into leach fields. Only water broadcast on fields is lost. When I need a new shower head, I usually look on fleabay to find something NOS from the 1990s when they actually flowed water and not a mist. Here, the cost of the utility fees is 4X or 5X the cost of the water used, even in summer when the lawn needs watering.
 

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I bought a $30 delta. It works great right out of the box. I don’t know if it has a restrictor or not. No reason to remove it if it does.
 

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I bought one of these.I am very happy with it.https://www.theshowerheadstore.com/products/3-spray-handheld-shower-head-set?variant=37387325309121
 

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Bought a new one recently. Pulled the restrictors before installing. It sucked. Decided to swap the one from the RV. It works great order another one. Can't ship to CA. F these people.
 
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