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High quality toilet guts?

Bennylava

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I'm starting to think that the walmart toilet guts aren't so great. All the assembly that goes in the tank. Had too many problems with them. So I wanted to get you guys' recommendation on which toilet guts, are known to be the very best. I'm tired of having to mess around with them regularly to keep them working right. So I'll just replace them with something better. And there has to be better ones than walmart carries.
 
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high quality and WalMart in the same topic? Just about any hardware store, Homey depot, Lowes ... Really just about anyone will beat Wallyworlds quality. I buy toilets from a plumbing supplier. They last several years in a rental environment.
 

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I decided to attempt to do it right. Went to Ferguson plumbing supply with the part # for a Kohler flush valve. Picked it up the next day, sealed never opened Kohler box, inside was a Kohler tank to bowl gasket and a flush valve made by Fluidmaster that I could have got at the home improvement store for $6. Even if you try you get cheap stuff.
 

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Quality toilet parts?????
I should subscribe to this thread.
Haven't seen any of those yet...always changing out the flush valve every 2 years.
Even the plastic handle made of non rust parts broke because it was made of brittle plastic.
Rodney Dangerfield could his whole skit on toilet part breakage, if he were still alive!
"The flapper valve in my toilet leaks more often than my prostate!" "I tell you, I get no respect!"
 

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Toto toilets and parts... have been good for almost 5 years at our house without issues.
 

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Our Kohler also has a Fluidmaster valve. It worked great, but got clogged with some mystery substance that seems to grow in our plumbing. It was easier to replace it than try to clean it out. It works fine, though. Since I expect it to happen again, I bought two valves at Home Depot; one for a spare.
 

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I have purchased fluid master valves from Walmart and other places I could not tell any difference.

Most of the plastic stuff seems to hold up


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I'd love to know if anyone still makes brass fill valves. The ones I've had in old houses have lasted decades, the plastic ones give you 5-10 years.
 

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There is really only about 1 wear part in the fluid master valves - the rubber seal disc. If you buy those, it is a 30sec job to replace it. Pop off the top cover, rotate the arm about 45 degrees and put in the new seal. No tools required.

....don't forget to turn off the water first...!

Most of the home centers used to stock the replacement discs.
 

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The quality of your water has a lot to do with how long rubber and plastics live in the tank. High mineral content builds up a crust that can cause leakage. High chlorine content ravages them pretty quickly. If you use one of those in-tank toilet cleaner pods that contains chlorine then you should keep a spare repair kit in stock at all times.
 

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Another issue can be the pressure regulator in your main line coming in. I've seen these fail and then other problems start happening because now your plumbing devices are dealing with higher water pressures then they were designed for.
 

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Except for the Toto I have in the master bath, all I use are Fluidmaster parts. They've always served me well for a long time. Having water running continuously or flooding just isn't worth saving a few bucks.

Bill
 

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I decided to attempt to do it right. Went to Ferguson plumbing supply with the part # for a Kohler flush valve. Picked it up the next day, sealed never opened Kohler box, inside was a Kohler tank to bowl gasket and a flush valve made by Fluidmaster that I could have got at the home improvement store for $6. Even if you try you get cheap stuff.

Absolutely satisfied with fluidmaster- point was in the kohler box it was 3 times the cost of buying it in a fluidmaster box.

Sort of like going to the chevy dealer for oem parts and getting autozone parts in the box
 

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Show us your new High quality toilet guts ...will there be a poll to follow? Who makes the best High quality toilet guts ....:dunno:

People want to know .....
 

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...........walmart toilet guts.........

So, were the parts walmart brand?

This is like saying that the end wrench from Tools-R-Us (yes it is a real tool store) was ****. Well, that would depend on whether the wrench was a no name chinese or a proto, or something in between.

You couldn't be more vague with your description. If you go to walmart's web site, you will find anything and everything. Some items in the store will be quality brands and others junk.

Fluidmaster has been good for me. I have rebuilt well over 100 toilets for commercial buildings and residential. A couple months ago, I did have to replace the flapper in our front bathroom. My toilet doesn't flush as well as it used to and you have to hold the handle, even after a new flapper. I suspect the passages are full of minerals as our water is full of **** and it has plenty of chlorine which could effect the rubber as well.

I have found it is best to do the entire rebuild kit at one time. If you replace one part, the next will fail soon than you would like. Many of the foam gaskets turn to black mush and if you don't wear gloves, will leave you with black hands.

x2 on not always getting a better part for more money.

What problems, exactly, are you having?

With more info, we might be able to help.
 

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high quality and WalMart in the same topic? Just about any hardware store, Homey depot, Lowes ... Really just about anyone will beat Wallyworlds quality. I buy toilets from a plumbing supplier. They last several years in a rental environment.

What do renters do to toilets that they only last several years? I had inexpensive Kohler toilets in my previous house and they were still going strong after 12 years.

For the person worried about getting a Fluidmaster part as a Kohler part it may very well be that Kohler got the original part from Fluidmaster.
 

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I'd love to know if anyone still makes brass fill valves. The ones I've had in old houses have lasted decades, the plastic ones give you 5-10 years.

I've had so many issues with brass fill valves. Then again, I just had a Fluidmaster 400 fill valve die on me after around 10 years in service. The body of the valve was starting to split, so it was spraying water in all directions. This caused the tank to drip by the flush handle.
 
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My wife's renovation company buys only American Standard and Fluid Master fill valves. The part that fails most often is the flapper valve. The rubber-like material turns into an indelible goo. She keeps a bunch of flappers in stock. She buys everything plumbing related at a local plumbing wholesaler.
 

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Yes, parts in-service for water regulation in your commode wear-out. Ten years of service? I'd say, that's getting your $'s worth!

I just used to replace the parts with Fluidmaster when they needed replacement, and I kept a complete kit in-stock at home. That includes the shut-off valve, the supply line, the flapper valve, the tank to seat foam valve, brass tank to seat machine screws and nuts, complete with rubber washers and plastic washers, the red-tower Fluidmaster water-control, about the only thing I didn't keep on-hand was a handle. I figure, all the other parts can cause a leakage problem, but I can flush a toilet by-hand, overnight, if the handle breaks or the chain snaps. No big inconvenience or loss of function until I can get to the hardware store the next day.

I used to solder the appliance shut-off valves in-place, but now it's compression fitting time. You can switch one out on probably less-than 5 minutes. Ever since they went to the non-replacement rubber washer gasket, chrome-plated brass valves, when the metal decomposes because of your water characteristics, and you have to replace the valve, it's a long process to solder-in a new valve, and I use a plumber's acetylene 'trench-tank,' not a propane or MAPP gas torch. When I say, "long-process to solder-in a new replacement shut-off valve," I'm comparing it to undoing a compression fitting, and installing a new one on the wall-out stub. A pair of slip-joint pliers for working both the supply hose and the shut-off compression fitting, versus: to solder:crocus cloth, solder, flux, a gas tank/burner, a brush, maybe a rag, an insulating blanket for the heat, it's just a lot easier to use a compression fitting shut-off valve.

Now, I have used the expediting tactic of just unscrewing the compression nut securing the entire valve stem assembly, with its captive, no-machine screw retaining 'nub' that holds the washer in-place, and just slipped on a new valve stem, re-using the soldered-in-place shut-off valve body. That works, and is an 'expedited' method of restoring shut-off valve function. But, upon removing the old one, and seeing how the water has deteriorated the old valve stem body and washer retainer, what sort of deterioration has the valve body undergone? Kinda like playing Russian roulette. So, it's better to replace the entire body, but I've done it the stem-replacement way, I even bought extra valves so I'd be sure to have the exact same dimensions in the replacement valve stem, if I chose to do it that-way. But, now we have new plumbing in four new bathrooms, and they're all compression fittings on the shut-off valves, to make a job simple 'the next-time.' I'm hoping that when that time comes, my decade will have an "8" in the "tens" place. That's less-than fifteen years... . And, I hope that my TOTO Neo-Rest will be helping my personal needs past that-time.

I like uniformity in fixtures, but when we re-did our home, my wife was very specific about what she wanted. We went to Ferguson Plumbing, and she chose two different Kohlers, a Mirabelle (which I think is a Ferguson in-house brand), and a TOTO Neo-Rest which having-posted about this fixture before, raised indignation among some members of the forum. It's powered by electricity, no tank, so it needs a larger water supply line to provide the volume. And it has an air filter, a fan, and it combines the functions of a bidet, with temperature-controlled seating, air, and wash water.
https://www.totousa.com/neorest-750h-dual-flush-toilet-10-and-08-gpf-with-actilight
Oh, and it flushes itself once you depart the throne. Sheer decadence! Be sure to familiarize-yourself with the price as this seemed to be the objection of those who 'doth protest, mightily.' It has a remote control for all these functions.
https://www.totousa.com/filemanager_uploads/photo_gallery/neorest_550h.png

One of the reasons we chose to get such a unit, was that we just finished caring for my in-laws at the end of their lives, and having this type of toilet will allow us to 'age in-place' longer, and to be hygienic about it. Well-worth the investment, for the results.
 

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I decided to attempt to do it right. Went to Ferguson plumbing supply with the part # for a Kohler flush valve. Picked it up the next day, sealed never opened Kohler box, inside was a Kohler tank to bowl gasket and a flush valve made by Fluidmaster that I could have got at the home improvement store for $6. Even if you try you get cheap stuff.

I get what you're saying. On a separate note, around here Ferguson is not considered to be a "real" supply house, it's more of a show room with a spendy parts department.

Tommy
 

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The cleaning lady was using Bleach in my toilets. I was replacing parts all the time. Once she stop using bleach my problems went away.
 

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I get what you're saying. On a separate note, around here Ferguson is not considered to be a "real" supply house, it's more of a show room with a spendy parts department.

Tommy

The Furgeson here is a stand alone plumbing supply- no showroom , just bins of plumbing parts. In any case it wouldn't have mattered, the factory sealed Kohler box had a Fluidmaster part in it- would have been the same if I ordered it straight from Kohler.
 
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I wonder if different water characteristics mean that different brands of crapper parts work better in different areas of the country?

Like, here in Indy we're on reservoir water, so we don't have much mineral buildup but they do sometimes need to add a lot of chlorine (a simple carbon filter does a nice job of making it taste better).

The town where I used to live used a deep aquifer, so the water tasted fantastic but you had to deal with a lot of limestone buildup.

We need some statistical meta-analysis here.

Or just buy the Fluidmaster stuff on the shelf at a home or hardware store and think about something more interesting for the next ten years or so.
 

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I bought a Korky valve assy at HD. It is a little more expensive than Fluidmaster. Any toilet valve splits the fill water between the bowl and the tank. When the tank is full they shut off. There is excess water to the bowl that goes down the drain. With the Korky you note where the bowl full mark is and adjust a knob so the bowl is at at that point just before the tank fill shuts off the water. Non adjustable valves have the bowl overflowing into the P trap long before the tank fills. By reducing the flow to the bowl, more water is diverted to the tank so you not only save water but fill faster. It also has been trouble free and MADE IN USA. You can get it with or without a new flapper. My water is full of minerals and it is still working.

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I bought a Korky valve assy at HD. It is a little more expensive than Fluidmaster. Any toilet valve splits the fill water between the bowl and the tank. When the tank is full they shut off. There is excess water to the bowl that goes down the drain. With the Korky you note where the bowl full mark is and adjust a knob so the bowl is at at that point just before the tank fill shuts off the water. Non adjustable valves have the bowl overflowing into the P trap long before the tank fills. By reducing the flow to the bowl, more water is diverted to the tank so you not only save water but fill faster. It also has been trouble free and MADE IN USA. You can get it with or without a new flapper. My water is full of minerals and it is still working.

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Exactly what he said. I had so many problems with my old toilet parts because of my **** water. I finally spent the few extra bucks and switched all my toilets to the Korky brand. I like the adjustable valve to control the amount of water that goes to the bowl. They have been installed for three years without a single issue.
 

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now it's compression fitting time. You can switch one out on probably less-than 5 minutes.

If you get lucky and the ferule is good or not tightened down so far that the copper line is compressed.

Most of the compression fittings I ran into had to be removed by using a splitter. Sometimes it was possible to clean the tube and install new parts, but it was also common to need to cut back past the damaged portion, or sweat on a threaded adapter and go with a threaded valve. It got to where I would keep all the options on my truck and I would wait until after hours to do the valves and would do a number of suites at one time when possible. Plan for the worst and hope for the best.
 

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The quality of your water has a lot to do with how long rubber and plastics live in the tank. High mineral content builds up a crust that can cause leakage. High chlorine content ravages them pretty quickly. If you use one of those in-tank toilet cleaner pods that contains chlorine then you should keep a spare repair kit in stock at all times.

All I know is that flapper valves used to last about 1/2 of your lifetime. Now, 5 years is doing good.
 
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