high security door

[tinysparky]

looking to put a certain collection in a safe room in a pole barn. how would you renforce the door?

brick wall
door hasnt been purchased
could do a vault door, but very spendy

thinking about a commercial steel door, renforced hinges, extra dead bolt, and a piece of mild steel attached to it to cover the top and door opening crack.

thoughts?

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[blair683]

Maybe something like this. http://m.homedepot.com/p/L-I-F-Indu...gclid=CK_4uYmUpdICFRJYDQodNNIAMw&gclsrc=aw.ds
Vault door would be the best but they run about $5,000.

 

[Kaizen]

Just one layer of bricks? Not solid filled concrete blocks with rebar? How often will you be in this room?


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[wssix99]

For a conventional door, it's only as strong as it's latches and the jam. If you want something that can't be broken down easily, you'll want multiple latching points (like a vault) and use a welded steel jam that you have to build a masonry wall around.

 

[ishiboo]

I've always considered buying a cheap steel door, cutting the front skin off, and building a steel door with plate steel and a square tube steel frame and bolts, and then applying the steel door skin to the front so it looks like a regular door.

 

[TK-421]

Don't forget to build a solid door jam. Doesn't matter how strong the door is if the door jam is easily broken.

Also, if the collection is so important you're looking at spending a decent chunk of change on the door, then I'd also take a long, hard look at how you can also reinforce the walls, the ceiling, and the floor.

 

[ishiboo]

Don't forget to build a solid door jam. Doesn't matter how strong the door is if the door jam is easily broken.

Also, if the collection is so important you're looking at spending a decent chunk of change on the door, then I'd also take a long, hard look at how you can also reinforce the walls, the ceiling, and the floor.

Both very true. So funny how much thought people put into locks to have a sheet of 5/8 drywall protecting the stuff. If I saw drywall and a bolted or padlocked door next to it, I'd go through the wall if iI wanted something!

 

[matt_i]

The videos I've seen involve a sledge hammer taken to the deadbolt (etc) which simply cuts a slot thru the jamb.

Full length angle iron would be my thought.

I trust metal more than other building materials which could be fractured. 7ga to 1/4" steel plate comes to mind as a pretty trustworthy shell.

 

[Ipassgas]

Yeah, the door isn't usually the weak point. As others said, it's the jamb, the latch or the wall.

Banks are built from the vault out for a reason.

Have you thought about ventilation/climate control?

 

[tjdux]

Is the "panic" i mean safe room on exterior walls? No clue what you're putting in there and how accessible this barn is to your home but if you dont live there heres a scenario... 5 to 30 mins with an impact gun and anyone with a little savy could have a sheet of tin siding off a building and right in. Granted no clue what your building is made of but it's a thought.

Another thing to think of is hidden in plain sight. Theif see vault door automatically knows theres something valuable in there. Regular door not a giveaway. But if were talking a open faced building w a locked room obviously thats where the good stuff is.

My dad always said locks only keep the honest people out.

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[btdobie]

Is the "panic" i mean safe room on exterior walls? No clue what you're putting in there and how accessible this barn is to your home but if you dont live there heres a scenario... 5 to 30 mins with an impact gun and anyone with a little savy could have a sheet of tin siding off a building and right in. Granted no clue what your building is made of but it's a thought.

Another thing to think of is hidden in plain sight. Theif see vault door automatically knows theres something valuable in there. Regular door not a giveaway. But if were talking a open faced building w a locked room obviously thats where the good stuff is.

My dad always said locks only keep the honest people out.

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You gotta make them think its locked for their saftey not the safety of whats inside.

 

[vtcat]

You still need some kind of alarm with battery back up.
Even a camera with motion detection.
This stuff is pretty inexpensive now.
Something that fits your needs.

 

[JRC3]

I have these on my garage entry door. I throw a 2x4 in when I go out of town.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Everbilt-Zinc-Plated-Solid-Door-Stop-15369/202034085

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Everbilt-Zinc-Plated-Stake-Holder-15360/202042241

You can use one of each or two of each per bar.


A steal door and a few sets of these lagged into the jack/king studs would be pretty inexpensive and strong.

 

[rayra]

steel clad door, steel jamb, more than one deadbolt, reinforced walls.

And you might consider making it your tool room, too. Or they just reach for your workbench area for demolition tools to attack it with.

 

[theoldwizard1]

looking to put a certain collection in a safe room in a pole barn. how would you renforce the door?

brick wall
door hasnt been purchased
could do a vault door, but very spendy

thinking about a commercial steel door, renforced hinges, extra dead bolt, and a piece of mild steel attached to it to cover the top and door opening crack.

The most important part is the jam and how the jam is attached to the wall STRUCTURE !

A large (> 1/2" bolt) version of this is perfect, assuming that the hole it slides into is and integral part of the jam. Install 2, one high and one low.

 

[btdobie]

steel clad door, steel jamb, more than one deadbolt, reinforced walls.

And you might consider making it your tool room, too. Or they just reach for your workbench area for demolition tools to attack it with.

Actually this reminds me of something interesting they said on that old Discovery show "To Catch A Thief". Many burglars gain access through unlocked second floor windows using ladders that are left outside by the owner.

 

[73RR]

Pole structures by themselves are not high security designs. So, just how bad would you want to get into the room if you were the bad guy?
Brick veneer is just veneer. A 6lb maul will knock it out of the way pretty quick so what's under it? Wood? Have chainsaw will travel.
As other have said, the door jambs and locks are vulnerable so what are the adjacent walls made of?
Is the value of the 'collection' worth more than the needed construction ?

 

[pcmeiners]

"You still need some kind of alarm with battery back up."
Federal siren PA power supply and the siren speaker to go with it ( units off police or fire engine), 1 siren speaker mounted in the room, another unit with siren mounted outside. If they don't have ear plug, they lose their hearing guaranteed, I accidentally power up one of these without ear plugs, about as intense as firing a 357 with a hot load, without hearing protection. Outside, who is going to stick around with a siren outside which can be heard over a mile away. Works great if you have neighbors, as they want to kill the SOB who woke them up; anyone within 600 ft is going to get up, guaranteed. Other then a poured wall vault, this is likely the best protection.

"Don't forget to build a solid door jam. Doesn't matter how strong the door is if the door jam is easily broken."
If you using a steel door frame, the entire frame gets back filled with concrete, that is common practice in masonry buildings. Cement block for walls, bar reinforced and back filled, not brick or cinder block. That said, a battery powered 4" grinder, with a decent diamond wheel will cut through anything you can build.

 

[rayra]

seriously, you want a cinderblock / CMU room, all four walls, with rebar and grouting, and the aforementioned steel jamb, securely mounted in it. You want something that can take some extended abuse. Reinforce the door latch and jamb areas.

And if you have electrical power and any form of internet access there, building a PC-based surveillance system that can send you all manner of alerts or be remotely monitored will cost about $500, to cover that room and the inside of the exterior door.
deskshare.com Security Monitor Pro, $90, a <$200 PC, a couple good cameras.

 

[PeterT]

I've always considered buying a cheap steel door, cutting the front skin off, and building a steel door with plate steel and a square tube steel frame and bolts, and then applying the steel door skin to the front so it looks like a regular door.

Growing up in rural Indiana, a neighbor of mine kept getting her mail box knocked down by punk kids. She had some 1/4 plate steel welded up on all sides and put a nice 'cedar top' and painted it,, looked really nice,, especially for the punks to drive by and whack with a basball bat,, that thing is still standing today.

 

[Reagenn]

Depending on what your collection is, it might be cheaper to just buy a nice large gun safe. Bear safes are an affordable option.

 

[EOC_Jason]

^^^ Depending on the value of your collection or whatever, get a good quality safe and have it bolted into the ground. I would still go with a good quality door & deadbolt... The more layers of security the longer it will take a thief the more they will decide it's not worth getting caught.

I like the electrical sign, though then you might have copper thieves wanting to get in there... lmao.

 

[ishiboo]

Growing up in rural Indiana, a neighbor of mine kept getting her mail box knocked down by punk kids. She had some 1/4 plate steel welded up on all sides and put a nice 'cedar top' and painted it,, looked really nice,, especially for the punks to drive by and whack with a basball bat,, that thing is still standing today.

Glad she's kicking the punk kids ***, but she's going to regret it when some family in their minivan slides off in a snow storm and it seriously injures/kills them.

 

[jclem40c]

Why is it that when someone attempts to protect their personal belongings from being taken by a less than stellar individual or group of said persons and the violators are injured or maimed in the process the owner is almost always at fault??? When do people become responsible for their own actions and the outcome of such actions? Just wondering.

 

[theoldwizard1]

My son-in-law knows a bit about doors. He is the guy on the SWAT team that busts down the door with a ram ! He only had on that did not break out the jam on the first hit. Old fashioned solid wood door with a typical lock set. They had a 2x4 wedged under the door knob between a piece of 2x4 nailed to the floor. It took 3 hits and exploded that jam.

 

[Dr Stan]

Plus 1 on the security system. Get one that will send real time video to your phone so you can call the cops.

 

[steveo1o9]

Glad she's kicking the punk kids ***, but she's going to regret it when some family in their minivan slides off in a snow storm and it seriously injures/kills them.

Really? That is where your mind goes when reading that post? Same could be said for any fixed object in your front yard... Better go cut down all the trees on your property because someone could run off the road and kill themselves... its a mailbox...

 

[mike93lx]

Insurance and a tl-15 or tl-30 safe.

Consider the value of the collection when determining how much to spend on security. No idea how nicr yours is, but no sense in spending 10k to store a bunch of hunting rifles and pistols.

 

[nicholam77]

I have these on my garage entry door. I throw a 2x4 in when I go out of town.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Everbilt-Zinc-Plated-Solid-Door-Stop-15369/202034085

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Everbilt-Zinc-Plated-Stake-Holder-15360/202042241

You can use one of each or two of each per bar.


A steal door and a few sets of these lagged into the jack/king studs would be pretty inexpensive and strong.

I had wanted to do this, but what happens if the power goes out and your garage door opener won't function and you can't get in because of the barricade? Maybe an unlikely scenario but it could be pretty inconvenient. Unless you have a backup battery on your opener (I do not).

 

[EOC_Jason]

Mmmmm.... http://www.graffundersafes.com/ For people with too much money!

 

[n20junkie]

Sturdy Safe makes nice doors for this very situation. $2,350

https://www.sturdysafe.com/products/vault-door

 

[IdahoMan]

"You still need some kind of alarm with battery back up."
Federal siren PA power supply and the siren speaker to go with it ( units off police or fire engine), 1 siren speaker mounted in the room, another unit with siren mounted outside. If they don't have ear plug, they lose their hearing guaranteed, I accidentally power up one of these without ear plugs, about as intense as firing a 357 with a hot load, without hearing protection. Outside, who is going to stick around with a siren outside which can be heard over a mile away. Works great if you have neighbors, as they want to kill the SOB who woke them up; anyone within 600 ft is going to get up, guaranteed. Other then a poured wall vault, this is likely the best protection.

An old Civil-Defense(CD) siren that is small gas-engine operated might be worth a look. It could work with zero-electricity if you could use a weight and a pull-cord.

OR

I don't know how much air this DIY horn uses per blast, but perhap this with a compressor tank of some sort...

PVC Horn:

How:

 

[Pate]

I'm in the lock industry and recently had a vault door made to secure my room. You may want to consider a multipoint lock like http://www.securitech.com