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i cant view the video but 3 years ago i took 8320 volts in my hand and out my shoulder. i was lucky enough to lean on the box just as the maintenance man probed the wires. i have pain everyday but i have a arm and can use it. it was the main box that supplies our 100,000 square foot factory. im thankful
 

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Actually while horrible that they died, it's probably fairly quick. The heart stops and unconscious soon after. The body that started moving later was a reaction of the dead body to being burned. Bodies on a pyre will often "sit up", but its just a muscle reaction, not a conscious effort.

Odd that the last one to let go was the one to get up and run away.
 

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i cant view the video but 3 years ago i took 8320 volts in my hand and out my shoulder. i was lucky enough to lean on the box just as the maintenance man probed the wires. i have pain everyday but i have a arm and can use it. it was the main box that supplies our 100,000 square foot factory. im thankful

Amazing

Most don't survive anything over 2000 volts

Notice in the video - no protective circuits trip out the circuit. Good Ol' Chinese Ingenuity.
 
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No pics, but someone in Detroit died the other day trying to do an illegal electric hook up.

The body hung on the wires for a couple of hours until the PoCo could shut it down.
 

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Actually while horrible that they died, it's probably fairly quick. The heart stops and unconscious soon after. The body that started moving later was a reaction of the dead body to being burned. Bodies on a pyre will often "sit up", but its just a muscle reaction, not a conscious.

Man , I hope you're right. Poor guys, I bet they never knew there was an overhead hazzard at all.
This is the price of poor national safety standards.
 

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Spoken like the "Trully Uninformed"

8 degrees out of phase 230 Kv trips out.

Riddle me this - did you stay at Holiday hotel last night or do you just like to play electrician when your on the computer


http://www.alstom.com/grid/products-and-services/Substation-automation-system/protection-relays/

Riddle me this: Why are there 3 dead Chinese (not to mention the guy in Detroit oldwizard mentioned) if these "protection circuits" work as you imply?

What you are talking about might work to minimize damage to the grid, but killing a man wouldn't even be noticed. To those HV lines its just another minuscule load.

As I said: "This ain't your bathroom outlet with GFIC." that is intended to protect human life.
 

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That's sad.

I test gensets with voltages as high as 13800, and power as high as 6 megawatts and I no we have no protection devices and about "0" training.

I have no idea what a specific grid would use as to fault protection (to ground or phases) but at any higher voltages used for transmission I would guess it would be hard to prevent serious injury to someone, especially to ground?
 

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I got 36KV DC through my thumb about 45 years ago...

Vaporized my thumbnail, knocked me off a 12 foot ladder...Capacitor discharge on a 20KW Klystron at Montauk AFS, NY...

Let me tell you...

That smarts!!!

High Tension lines, are another animal...dangerous, that is...
 
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Riddle me this: Why are there 3 dead Chinese (not to mention the guy in Detroit oldwizard mentioned) if these "protection circuits" work as you imply?

No they are not going to protect any ill-fated worker that comes in contact with them.

But as you noticed in the video the bodies lay there burning for several minutes. Had that been a short on the secondary of a 69Kv/230Kv transformer the secondary would have fused and passed 230Kv down the line resulting in massive destruction

And No, Stock Z28 they wouldn't work if they tried to monitor voltage to ground since grid goes out as a floating delta.

That was why the reference to 8 deg out of phase

If you look at it in the Polar Vector relationship between phases, as a single phase loads down or "lags" as in a short to ground condition the phase relationship changes.

And yes the typical 13.8Kv generator has phase failure protection. Just not on the generator tie breaker but rather the 13.8 / 69Kv transformer since most of the "Peaker Plants" tie in at that voltage
 

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Wow!

In North America, would you find uninsulated wires so close to a work area?

It looks like it is inside a building or complex. They are obviously using fork lift in the area. High voltage insulated wire exists, I see it on power lines around here for special purposes.
 

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No they are not going to protect any ill-fated worker that comes in contact with them.

But as you noticed in the video the bodies lay there burning for several minutes. Had that been a short on the secondary of a 69Kv/230Kv transformer the secondary would have fused and passed 230Kv down the line resulting in massive destruction

And No, Stock Z28 they wouldn't work if they tried to monitor voltage to ground since grid goes out as a floating delta.

That was why the reference to 8 deg out of phase

If you look at it in the Polar Vector relationship between phases, as a single phase loads down or "lags" as in a short to ground condition the phase relationship changes.

And yes the typical 13.8Kv generator has phase failure protection. Just not on the generator tie breaker but rather the 13.8 / 69Kv transformer since most of the "Peaker Plants" tie in at that voltage



Hello,

The vast majority of gensets I test have no breaker. We connect directly to the armature output terminals.

Some do have ECM supervised protection for monitoring a lot of factors- voltage-power factor-current- phase relation ship- freq. etc., but they are rare. They are pretty nice, but you would still be shocked badly.

We build mostly prime or stand by gensets, but I am sure some are used for peak comensation.

I am almost always working on the generator to breaker side of the system so I dont see a lot of fault protection on a typical genset.

The voltages range from 400 to the 13800 and the current in excess of 4000 amps on some units. Usually a max of 90 HZ..

As I said I am certainly no expert but I dont see any form of protection on the gen side on most systems I test.

Its an impressive amout of power. Atleast to me.
 

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Odd that the last one to let go was the one to get up and run away.

Looks like he got up and ran directly into the other side of the scaffold and got zapped and went down again. He twitched for a bit and then finally got up and ran away.

Amazing that he not only survived that once, but twice within minutes!
 

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Did he hit the frame again, or did he simply pass out on the first attempt to rum and stumble and fall? :dunno:

I wonder if it was a difference in footwear or something, or maybe he had on leather work gloves?

In any case, he needs to buy a lottery ticket with luck like that...
 

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That is tragic. I once watched a guy drop a wrench across a 480v box. I think he soiled himself. No joke. The entire shop went quiet.

Its actually the current that kills you. If you conducted 0.0001mA @10kv, you'd survive.

Yep, hence the theory of tazers and other stunning devices, however the voltage itself can have a harmful effect as well. Then there is the aspect of frequency. Tesla did some very interesting experments with high voltage at high frequency and the "unharmful" effects on the human body.

how many amps does a modern cars spark plug get? I know they are over 100,000 volts.

Very very low, miliamps range from what I have seen. Hence why the wires are so small in diameter. They actually want a lower current to prevent additional erosion of the spark plug terminals.
 
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That was hard to watch,but a good reminder of what can happen. I'm not scared of much in life,but high voltage I am not a fan of. Electricity scares the hell outta me..I can do some household wiring...but I always triple check to make sure the circuit is dead.
 

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Did he hit the frame again, or did he simply pass out on the first attempt to rum and stumble and fall? :dunno:

I wonder if it was a difference in footwear or something, or maybe he had on leather work gloves?

In any case, he needs to buy a lottery ticket with luck like that...

So many variables come into play..he could have been blind, he had to be disoriented as hell. :sad:
 
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