Hilti made in China

[ultgar]

There's always Apple. I'm sure half the people here own an iPhone or iPad, made in China. No complaints about Chinese build quality or paying list price to own their devices. SD

 

[acer66]

There's always Apple. I'm sure half the people here own an iPhone or iPad, made in China. No complaints about Chinese build quality or paying list price to own their devices. SD

The OP was not complaining about the build quality.
He was complaining that they said that the tool was not made in china
but it was made in China.

 

[ultgar]

The OP was not complaining about the build quality.
He was complaining that they said that the tool was not made in china
but it was made in China.

COO can be tricky with tools. A tool set (or the tool itself) can have mixed countries of origin. A quality product will hold up, regardless of where it was assembled. And on this list, if Hilti or any other manufacturer starts to get sloppy, there will be plenty of pics and posts to detail these failures. SD

 

[wagon]

Didnt say the companies did it for a taxes write off.. They do it to not have to pay high taxes...

You missed my point entirely.

Corporate HQ in USA pays USA taxes. Regardless of where they manufacture.
Therefore, if they manufacture in Nigeria, Congo, Bermuda, Thailand, China, or in the USA, they are paying USA corporate taxes.

The cost savings is on labor. They save tons of money on labor. Milwaukee Electric is still based in the USA, so they still pay US taxes. They shipped all the assembly jobs to China to save money on labor, because, after all, the Chinese know how to use screwdrivers, too.

I hope that this is more easily understood.

Let's put it another way - a ho goes downtown to get a couple more bucks per trick, abandoning her regulars who now have severe blue balls.

She doesn't like how much her pimp charges her for his service, but he gets his money, independent of the location of "rendered services".

Regardless of where she goes to turn tricks, daddy gets paid. Period.

Yeah, but think about this for one second...

R&D would be on financial statements, which are publicly available for listed companies.

I do care but facts are facts and it is the reality of it... Had to fix the comment by adding a key word..
Who's taxes do you care more about?

We can nit pick what a company does to make money, but you can be nit picked on the decisions you make as well... What make you more special than someone else?

I don't follow this argument at all. I don't see how you can expect a corporation to behave as an individual. I never said that individuals do not have a profit motive.

You blame the government for taxing too much, but you completely miss why jobs were sent to China to begin with. Sure, taxes may be high, but the way to fix that is to reincorporate somewhere else, or buy a more powerful congressman. When you send jobs to China, you do it to save money on labor. Period.

 

[finn]

You missed my point entirely.

Corporate HQ in USA pays USA taxes. Regardless of where they manufacture.
Therefore, if they manufacture in Nigeria, Congo, Bermuda, Thailand, China, or in the USA, they are paying USA corporate taxes.

The cost savings is on labor. They save tons of money on labor. Milwaukee Electric is still based in the USA, so they still pay US taxes. They shipped all the assembly jobs to China to save money on labor, because, after all, the Chinese know how to use screwdrivers, too.

I hope that this is more easily understood.

Let's put it another way - a ho goes downtown to get a couple more bucks per trick, abandoning her regulars who now have severe blue balls.

She doesn't like how much her pimp charges her for his service, but he gets his money, independent of the location of "rendered services".

Regardless of where she goes to turn tricks, daddy gets paid. Period.


R&D would be on financial statements, which are publicly available for listed companies.


I don't follow this argument at all. I don't see how you can expect a corporation to behave as an individual. I never said that individuals do not have a profit motive.

You blame the government for taxing too much, but you completely miss why jobs were sent to China to begin with. Sure, taxes may be high, but the way to fix that is to reincorporate somewhere else, or buy a more powerful congressman. When you send jobs to China, you do it to save money on labor. Period.

Yes and no: Milwaukee Electric is, in fact, based in Brookfield Wisconsin, but it is a subsidiary of Techtronic Industries, which is a Chinese company, as I understand it.

Who knows how the books are cooked to avoid taxes????

 

[reader2580]

The cost savings is on labor. They save tons of money on labor. Milwaukee Electric is still based in the USA, so they still pay US taxes. They shipped all the assembly jobs to China to save money on labor, because, after all, the Chinese know how to use screwdrivers, too.

Another big reason companies move production to China is environmental regulations. There are huge costs to manufacturers to meet environmental regulations here in the USA.

I have heard of a company in the USA getting in trouble just because a tank had traces of heavy metal in it. The tank is not leaking and nobody is endangered by it. The product stored in the tank does not have heavy metals in it. These sorts of things make companies look at China a lot closer.

 

[ngk22r]

You missed my point entirely.

Corporate HQ in USA pays USA taxes. Regardless of where they manufacture.
Therefore, if they manufacture in Nigeria, Congo, Bermuda, Thailand, China, or in the USA, they are paying USA corporate taxes.

The cost savings is on labor. They save tons of money on labor. Milwaukee Electric is still based in the USA, so they still pay US taxes. They shipped all the assembly jobs to China to save money on labor, because, after all, the Chinese know how to use screwdrivers, too.

I hope that this is more easily understood.

Let's put it another way - a ho goes downtown to get a couple more bucks per trick, abandoning her regulars who now have severe blue balls.

She doesn't like how much her pimp charges her for his service, but he gets his money, independent of the location of "rendered services".

Regardless of where she goes to turn tricks, daddy gets paid. Period.


R&D would be on financial statements, which are publicly available for listed companies.


I don't follow this argument at all. I don't see how you can expect a corporation to behave as an individual. I never said that individuals do not have a profit motive.

You blame the government for taxing too much, but you completely miss why jobs were sent to China to begin with. Sure, taxes may be high, but the way to fix that is to reincorporate somewhere else, or buy a more powerful congressman. When you send jobs to China, you do it to save money on labor. Period.

Just because a USA based company makes money overseas does not mean they get taxed on it.. Coca Cola years ago decided to upgraded a factory in China to produce more soda and as one of the ways to avoid the tax hit. And the money sat overseas..

I understand what you are trying to say but you dont understand how the tax game works. Overseas accounts work differently than those here in the USA, dont believe me then search how Apple, Google, Coca Cola, etc keep money overseas to prevent from getting hit with taxes. All of these are AMERICAN based companies (well Coca Cola is currently trying to move their HQ to England last I checked..).

Putting the blame on the companies that go overseas is a waste of time and pointing your finger at the wrong place..


Just answer this one question... If the current city your living in charged a 5% tax rate for income and property but you found out that next year they would increase the income tax to 30% and property tax to 25% and your income salary would not change. You also find out that the city 100 miles away would not be raising its tax rate and guaranteed and shows that you would make more money to move there... Do you stay to make less money or move to make more money?

 

[kctyphoon]

"Cut your nose to spite your face"....... He didnt buy it BECAUSE it was made in China.. Any other country woulda have been ok though.. Makes perfect sense.. You go girl..

 

[dnschmidt]

OK it's time to go back to basics.

Any manufacturer wants to produce his product for the minimum cost and sell it for the maximum profit. If China delivers the quality needed at the minimum price they get the business. IT'S CALLED CAPITALISM. The Russians tried to fight this concept for nearly a century and they lost the battle. It's ugly, it's brutal and it quite unfair but it appears to work.

 

[wagon]

OK it's time to go back to basics.

Any manufacturer wants to produce his product for the minimum cost and sell it for the maximum profit. If China delivers the quality needed at the minimum price they get the business. IT'S CALLED CAPITALISM. The Russians tried to fight this concept for nearly a century and they lost the battle. It's ugly, it's brutal and it quite unfair but it appears to work.

It may be the most economical to those who value profits the most, but to others, who think that buying American matters, it's not the way to go. Many are willing to pay a premium for domestically manufactured tools. I hope your job is soon to be done by a 5 year old. If you're retired, then, well, I don't know what to say. I hope you change your mind?

It's obvious that those who value American manufacturing have lost, when most tools are imported.

Could be that the brands attached to the tools are strong enough to offset the COO. I can't name a single person who'd prefer Chinese tools, but many people have brand preferences. The power of the brand offsets and overcomes the COO hesitation.

 

[wagon]

"Cut your nose to spite your face"....... He didnt buy it BECAUSE it was made in China.. Any other country woulda have been ok though.. Makes perfect sense.. You go girl..

It absolutely blows my mind that a Union guy would support the offshoring of jobs. Lineman work is safe, as your job can't be offshored. Imagine if your line of work could simply, and legally, be given to Mexicans for $10 an hour.

Bet you'd sing a different tune while working corners for cash.

 

[wagon]

Just because a USA based company makes money overseas does not mean they get taxed on it.. Coca Cola years ago decided to upgraded a factory in China to produce more soda and as one of the ways to avoid the tax hit. And the money sat overseas..

I understand what you are trying to say but you dont understand how the tax game works. Overseas accounts work differently than those here in the USA, dont believe me then search how Apple, Google, Coca Cola, etc keep money overseas to prevent from getting hit with taxes. All of these are AMERICAN based companies (well Coca Cola is currently trying to move their HQ to England last I checked..).

Putting the blame on the companies that go overseas is a waste of time and pointing your finger at the wrong place..


Just answer this one question... If the current city your living in charged a 5% tax rate for income and property but you found out that next year they would increase the income tax to 30% and property tax to 25% and your income salary would not change. You also find out that the city 100 miles away would not be raising its tax rate and guaranteed and shows that you would make more money to move there... Do you stay to make less money or move to make more money?

This isn't an argument of logic, I understand the logic of offshoring, and of tax avoidance.

My argument is from a moral standpoint. I think that it is immoral to offshore and eliminate American jobs. Maybe this will get us on the same page. Taxes aren't the huge issue.

I don't think it's right for an American company to eliminate jobs to send them to China (or anywhere else). It might save them money, it might make them more profitable, but I think it's morally wrong, though economically wise.

Miller Electric was bought by ITW in the 90s. All Miller machines sold in the US are assembled/manufactured here. They operate plants in China and Italy, but those machines aren't sold here, they are sold in local markets. This, to me, is far better than closing American plants, then sending jobs overseas and then selling the imported products to the people who used to work the production line.

I won't defend Coca Cola for changing their HQ to save on taxes, though you say that the location of the HQ doesn't matter. They're assholes, too.

Your question of moving - if I were to move, then someone would move where I am, take the job I had, and the county would be none the wiser. If I were to move a factory, however, dozens would find themselves unemployed, struggling to pay their mortgages, and could possibly lose everything. There's a big difference.

I could make my own decision to move out of the county, and it'd affect no one. If I decide to move a factory, it affects many people, and their families.

 

[wagon]

Yes and no: Milwaukee Electric is, in fact, based in Brookfield Wisconsin, but it is a subsidiary of Techtronic Industries, which is a Chinese company, as I understand it.

Who knows how the books are cooked to avoid taxes????

They are - TTI is HQ'd in Hong Kong, to be exact. Milwaukee's HQ is in Brookfield, WI. Milwaukee still has to pay taxes, as they make profits in this country. As a foreign-owned subsidiary, they are still liable for taxes. Think of Toyota or Honda - the companies do have American HQs, as they are incorporated here, and they do have to pay American taxes, but they are indeed foreign owned entities.


I don't fully understand book cooking, as I own no books, or am I an accountant.

 

[dogdog]

"Cut your nose to spite your face"....... He didnt buy it BECAUSE it was made in China.. Any other country woulda have been ok though.. Makes perfect sense.. You go girl..

Lol you are arguing with a bunch of Hippocratic.




For the rest.
You either
1)buy it for the quality
2)buy it for the price
3) buy it for the brand

Buy don't ASS_u_me that buying it because of the COO is bad quality.

BTW.... Hilti is a swish company, same with many other tools out there in this situation........ so they are not really making their tools in the USA. WTF is that argument about taking American Jobs when the tool in either case doesn't even make in the USA either way.

Please tell me you are not a Hippocrit then you are smoking some really bad joint with your unicorn.

 

[wagon]

Lol you are arguing with a bunch of Hippocratic.




For the rest.
You either
1)buy it for the quality
2)buy it for the price
3) buy it for the brand

Buy don't ASS_u_me that buying it because of the COO is bad quality.

BTW.... Hilti is a swish company, same with many other tools out there in this situation........ so they are not really making their tools in the USA. WTF is that argument about taking American Jobs when the tool in either case doesn't even make in the USA either way.

Please tell me you are not a Hippocrit then you are smoking some really bad joint with your unicorn.

Hilti is from Lichtenstein, not Switzerland.

The point here might be that Swiss manufacturing has a good reputation, while Chinese manufacturing does not, and that any savings from being manufactured in a country such as China, which has a far lower cost of labor, is NEVER passed to the buyer. One is paying, largely, for the brand (and yes, quality in China does vary, a lot.)

The fact that they moved their production to China, lied to him and told him that it was Swiss made, and charged him the same price as something that was Swiss made, is the issue at hand.

I don't mind paying Chinese prices for stuff at Harbor Freight. I would, however, take issue with paying American prices for Chinese made equipment, all for a brand.

I've seen full beast mode $30,000 pieces of equipment from China, but they're priced very closely to American made products, and with similar quality. The difference? One is from a very strong brand, who can offshore to China and command the same price, the other from a lesser known one, who doesn't have the name yet to charge a massive premium.

 

[dogdog]

Hilti is from Lichtenstein, not Switzerland.

The point here might be that Swiss manufacturing has a good reputation, while Chinese manufacturing does not, and that any savings from being manufactured in a country such as China, which has a far lower cost of labor, is NEVER passed to the buyer. One is paying, largely, for the brand (and yes, quality in China does vary, a lot.)

The fact that they moved their production to China, lied to him and told him that it was Swiss made, and charged him the same price as something that was Swiss made, is the issue at hand.

...............
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It is a valid point. but the quality of product out of any COO is define by the company that owns the brand not really the COO. Think some one already cited Apple as an example...... I am afraid that you are paying for the Ferrari the company CEO drives, but not the workers there in that country they offshore to...

 

[kctyphoon]

Hilti is from Lichtenstein, not Switzerland.

The point here might be that Swiss manufacturing has a good reputation, while Chinese manufacturing does not, and that any savings from being manufactured in a country such as China, which has a far lower cost of labor, is NEVER passed to the buyer. One is paying, largely, for the brand (and yes, quality in China does vary, a lot.)

The fact that they moved their production to China, lied to him and told him that it was Swiss made, and charged him the same price as something that was Swiss made, is the issue at hand.

I don't mind paying Chinese prices for stuff at Harbor Freight. I would, however, take issue with paying American prices for Chinese made equipment, all for a brand.

I've seen full beast mode $30,000 pieces of equipment from China, but they're priced very closely to American made products, and with similar quality. The difference? One is from a very strong brand, who can offshore to China and command the same price, the other from a lesser known one, who doesn't have the name yet to charge a massive premium.

id hate to bring something like reality into the conversation - but "cheap" is "cheap" no matter what country its made in.. i just get a kick out hearing how people determined whats good, vs whats junk - by looking where it was made.. swiss made hilti - AWESOME - china made hilti (using the same parts just assembled with different hands) - JUNK!!! lmao..

its a global economy these days guy.. its called progress and countries working together.. american made does not aways equal quality.. look at something like Channellock's diagonal cutters. on sale they can go for as low as $13.. what EXACTLY do you think your getting for that??? they are one of the worst cutters in terms of hardness you can buy, but that company will forever get a pass for the made in the usa fact.. if i stamped husky on the side or sold them in HF, people would cal them **** too..

 

[wagon]

id hate to bring something like reality into the conversation - but "cheap" is "cheap" no matter what country its made in.. i just get a kick out hearing how people determined whats good, vs whats junk - by looking where it was made.. swiss made hilti - AWESOME - china made hilti (using the same parts just assembled with different hands) - JUNK!!! lmao..

its a global economy these days guy.. its called progress and countries working together.. american made does not aways equal quality.. look at something like Channellock's diagonal cutters. on sale they can go for as low as $13.. what EXACTLY do you think your getting for that??? they are one of the worst cutters in terms of hardness you can buy, but that company will forever get a pass for the made in the usa fact.. if i stamped husky on the side or sold them in HF, people would cal them **** too..

In all honesty, I can't call you wrong. Brand is extremely important, and definitely sets peoples' expectations. If you put Snap On on some Chinese cutters, you'd get a different reaction than you would from Pittsburgh cutters, and I'm willing to bet people would swear by one and declare the other junk.

I just prefer to see stuff made in the USA. LOL That's what it boils down to

 

[anndel]

To be honest, what Im sick to death of, is having to find the **** boutique tool at boutique pricing just to get a tool to do what its supposed to do.

The chinese are masters at disguising a tool to look legit. They counterfeit anything. I bought a pickle fork, ya know, a tool thats meant to be BEAT ON?!?! Two hits into a ball joint and the head literally snapped off! What am I, buying **** just to look at it!?! No, nowadays you have to then return that **** to the store and go online and overpay just to get a piece of steel that will do the job. Its more work because you have to hunt for a decent tool.

I get pissed just thinking about it.

I hear ya man. I bought a pickle fork last year from O'Reilly's because I needed it immediately. It was a Performance Tool brand and Made in Taiwan. My neighbor a few houses down the street bought the same brand and model number from O'reillys and this time it's made in china. One whack and the fork busted. he came over to borrow mine and I told him it's the same as his but made in a different country. I doubted it and said it was going to break as well...but it did not. He was able to break the ball joint loose and finish the job. We had a beer and laughed about it.

 

[shockwave]

I understand everyone's point on the quality of China versus usa,Europe

I was pointing out that most electronic power tools come from China and it will still be very high quality from name brand vs hf because of engineering and quality control of there factory's

I referenced the iPhone being made in China since its of high quality compared to a Samsung from say metro pcs that will not be of as high standards of the same Samsung for Verizon or sprint

And yes Hilti was misleading in coo but I still would buy Hilti over makita any day from personal experience

 

[fury9]

Huh, A Union lineman praising china made. What the fuc* brother, would like to know how these conversations go with your other brothers on the job. Take off your redwings or thorogoods, take off your levis (hope you atleast got the ones made in mexico) trade in all your American tools in for china ones, they're high quality anyways so who cares. Wear a shirt that says made in china to the job and just let everybody know how much you like that ****, see how far that gets you. Rant over.

 

[finn]

Hilti is from Lichtenstein, not Switzerland.

The point here might be that Swiss manufacturing has a good reputation, while Chinese manufacturing does not, and that any savings from being manufactured in a country such as China, which has a far lower cost of labor, is NEVER passed to the buyer. One is paying, largely, for the brand (and yes, quality in China does vary, a lot.)

The fact that they moved their production to China, lied to him and told him that it was Swiss made, and charged him the same price as something that was Swiss made, is the issue at hand.

I don't mind paying Chinese prices for stuff at Harbor Freight. I would, however, take issue with paying American prices for Chinese made equipment, all for a brand.

I've seen full beast mode $30,000 pieces of equipment from China, but they're priced very closely to American made products, and with similar quality. The difference? One is from a very strong brand, who can offshore to China and command the same price, the other from a lesser known one, who doesn't have the name yet to charge a massive premium.

So, basically, your point is that Apple computers and Iphones are junk quality because they are manufactured in China, right?

Just like my grandfather thought all Japanese cars were junk because they were manufactured in Japan.

All of Caterpillar's latest manufacturing plants are in China, too. Is Cat known for junk equipmemt?

 

[wagon]

So, basically, your point is that Apple computers and Iphones are junk quality because they are manufactured in China, right?

Just like my grandfather thought all Japanese cars were junk because they were manufactured in Japan.

All of Caterpillar's latest manufacturing plants are in China, too. Is Cat known for junk equipmemt?

I'm saying that moving jobs overseas *****.

If you'd read the post more closely, you'll see that I said that China doesn't have a great reputation for quality, and that people more often prefer trusted brands over trusted COOs, otherwise companies wouldn't offshore to China. (Basically, if they though that the label of China on the tool or piece would be so detrimental that it wouldn't sell, then they wouldn't do it) If the brand is strong enough, China won't affect it.


Not everything that comes out of China is junk; again, China is perfectly capable of producing great stuff, as well as garbage. When it comes to manufacturing in countries with higher costs of labor, garbage is too expensive to produce. A company in China can afford to make trash, but a company in Switzerland, for example, can't.

When you must pay a living wage in a first world country, it's not an option to mass produce junk to be profitable; someone can make that same junk somewhere else cheaper, and if price is your strong point, you will lose.

When it comes to Apple, or any other computer brand, almost all parts are manufactured on that side of the world, so it's simply cheaper to assemble them there, too. Plus, when you're simply a design firm, as Apple is, you pretty much have it made where the best contracts are, which happens to be China. Hope the nets catch you on your way down.

 

[Fender1325]

Apple computers and Iphones ARE junk. Different topic for another day.

That pickle fork I bought was from oreily too and I bought it for the same reason - the job needed to be done now - I didnt have time to order some **** professional tool. After all its a FREAKING PICKLE FORK. About as much tech as a wheel, if not less. What could go wrong? Apparently everything.

And to the A-hole who commented "you are an adult right? own up to your mistakes for buying it" How could anyone expect a FREAKING PICKLE FORK, a tool meant to be BEAT with a HAMMER to break on the first hit?!?!? Its silly.

To the person who questioned what this had to do with hilti being in china is that China made tools are basically counterfeit versions of older american tools. Point being - you pay a dollar for labor to an 8 year old, and use cheap materials you'll get ****.

Is everything from China ****? No. But its dissapointing to see a premium brand with a premium price go there. Guess some people cant grasp that. Take a look at most the factories that make things in China. The people live there literally and work every day for nearly nothing.

 

[Finky198]

iPhones and Apple being junk is you personal oppinion

There are multiple ways to do every job on the Planet, with different tool as well you learned not to buy a cheap set of pickle forks it's called a lesson. It doesn't have to be a bad thing. Just be more cautious next time you're purchasing tools or figure out a way to do it with the tools you have on hand It will make you a better mechanic

The fact that brand going overseas is disappointing to you is your own opinion which you have every right to, but it has no effect on their quality of their tools. Hilti produces a top-tier tool in their industry with some of the industry-leading standards and specifications. Made in China better than their competition at a higher price point which your also paying for higher build quality, on-site service, and local service facilities as well they offer a broad range of compatible fasteners, repair parts, and discounted upgrades

They produce an excellent quality tool that lasts very long time in very rough conditions. I'm not sure if you even use Hilti so can you really even comment on the quality or value of them?

 

[Fender1325]

The point Im making is that poorly made, brittle pickle forks shouldnt even exist. Nobody should have to "do some research" to buy a pickle fork. This is precisely the point Im making about tools. What happened to the days of buying a tool at the local store, at a fair price, and it do its job plain and simple? China.

"The manufacturer needs to move production to China to turn a profit and stay in business"

"The retail store selling said tools need to carry the cheap Chinese tools to sell at a competitive price point"

"The American worker costs too much, pay a Chinese worker 1/10th as much"

What idiots are defending the way things are right now?!?! Its damn backwards.

This is a direct example why "Made in China" pisses people off.

 

[kctyphoon]

Huh, A Union lineman praising china made. What the fuc* brother, would like to know how these conversations go with your other brothers on the job. Take off your redwings or thorogoods, take off your levis (hope you atleast got the ones made in mexico) trade in all your American tools in for china ones, they're high quality anyways so who cares. Wear a shirt that says made in china to the job and just let everybody know how much you like that ****, see how far that gets you. Rant over.

hate to break it to ya, but the only thing they care about is medical and raise increases.. i don't wear redwings, (they're too expensive) or Levis, (most Levis jeans are made in china or offshore *******) and i buy KNIPEX tools cause ChannelLock *****. they are a perfect example of an INFERIOR american made product. id consider buying Klien , but the fact that even they are now selling german made Knipex under their own brand should tell ya something. i don't care what most of the people i work with think, cause a good many of them are lazy self entitled dumbasses that are too stupid to see the irony in them always saying "F-ck this company, im not doing anything", and the fact that they pour money into their 401k's every week buying stock and investing their retirement into the very company they work for.. so now you know who i am, and now i know who you are.. funny - i was just saying today that usually the people with the biggest mouths, that complain the most - do the least..


if you'd like to read up on Levis's past work practices, like how they were busted for selling pants with the "made in america" label, that were actually made in China - and how they incurred the largest fines in US labor violations History at the time - please feel free to read up on your heros here : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levi_Strauss_&_Co.

 

[finn]

I bought that pickle forks grandfather in 1969, except it came from Japan, not China.

Cheap tools weren't invented in China.

That pickle fork taught me something, though.

 

[kctyphoon]

Apple computers and Iphones ARE junk. Different topic for another day.

That pickle fork I bought was from oreily too and I bought it for the same reason - the job needed to be done now - I didnt have time to order some **** professional tool. After all its a FREAKING PICKLE FORK. About as much tech as a wheel, if not less. What could go wrong? Apparently everything.

And to the A-hole who commented "you are an adult right? own up to your mistakes for buying it" How could anyone expect a FREAKING PICKLE FORK, a tool meant to be BEAT with a HAMMER to break on the first hit?!?!? Its silly.

To the person who questioned what this had to do with hilti being in china is that China made tools are basically counterfeit versions of older american tools. Point being - you pay a dollar for labor to an 8 year old, and use cheap materials you'll get ****.

Is everything from China ****? No. But its dissapointing to see a premium brand with a premium price go there. Guess some people cant grasp that. Take a look at most the factories that make things in China. The people live there literally and work every day for nearly nothing.

once again - its almost comical at times how people just make things up to help their own arguments. id hate to bring up some truth into this convo again - but many times, a premium product made in china IS superior. it boils down to dollars and cents, and cutting costs on Manufacturing labor CAN allow for a greater portion of the budget to be spent on better materials, and investing more money into the physical product rather then the people making it.. id say "look at Hilti" or "look at Milwaukee" but it should be obvious at this point.

in the last part of your post you brought up how little the people in china "might" be earning, and how they "live" at their job.. so - your solution for that "very separate issue" now, is to NOT support those people either?? didnt you just make a point of stating how desperate they are to make money - but you also want to take away their income?? pick a side guy,, then stay on it.

 

[AutoTeck84]

You stating that the extra money made by cheap foreign labor goes to better materials, now that is comical. Everyday we are funding China's econonomy and kicking our own *** out of the title of the worlds biggest super power. And most are happy to do so

 

[Fender1325]

Oh Im very much on one side.

American manufacturing jobs went extinct so the Chinese could abuse their land and labor force so our brands could make more money.

I buy American whenever I can and I avoid made in China like the plague. In our lifetime the days of cheap Chinese labor will end. Mark my words.

Im done arguing with people ignorant of the larger picture here.

 

[Fender1325]

Also, the argument of yesterdays Japan being todays China.....

During that time period, buying japan tools was silly cheap, but the working man could still buy a USA craftsman tool and it'd be a good tool.

Today a USA quality made tool is a "specialty" tool.

What are you telling me, I need to buy snap on to have a tool that doesnt snap!? Im not a mechanic for a living thank God - and the amount of money they need to spend for reliable tools is a crime.

 

[Fender1325]

once again - its almost comical at times how people just make things up to help their own arguments. id hate to bring up some truth into this convo again - but many times, a premium product made in china IS superior. it boils down to dollars and cents, and cutting costs on Manufacturing labor CAN allow for a greater portion of the budget to be spent on better materials, and investing more money into the physical product rather then the people making it.. id say "look at Hilti" or "look at Milwaukee" but it should be obvious at this point.

in the last part of your post you brought up how little the people in china "might" be earning, and how they "live" at their job.. so - your solution for that "very separate issue" now, is to NOT support those people either?? didnt you just make a point of stating how desperate they are to make money - but you also want to take away their income?? pick a side guy,, then stay on it.

Aint no "might" about it buddy. Read a ******* article or two about chinese labor. WAKE UP.

 

[kctyphoon]

you two are adorable.. i suggest to pick up an economy book and read up on how cheap labor is essential for a country's growth.. im not talking about the work conditions - this thread has nothing to do about that, not all places are like that, and thats something the chinese people need to address and fix just like we did here... you watch an episode of 60 minutes and you people are suddenly world scholars. might i remind you that your taking about 1 of only 3 countries that have a space station ORBITING earth..

 

[Fender1325]

I thoroughly and whole-heartedly guarantee Ive read more books, and taken more college economy classes than you.

Lets get serious here now. Why are you defending the progression of quality tools and their jobs being taken away to China? Do you honestly believe, "Finally!! Milwaukee can now allocate less money to those greedy american workers and more to shock absorbant plastic!!" Where you really having so much trouble with your American made tool that its a sigh of relief that its Chinese now?

This progression is a direct correlation to the world economy. And yes, here in America the middle class is dissappearing and this is entirely related.

All of our American brands having to ship jobs to China is a F A I L U R E to this economy.
This isnt progress. Its a vicious cycle.

 

[rice rocket]

I thoroughly and whole-heartedly guarantee Ive read more books, and taken more college economy classes than you.

 

[ngk22r]

I thoroughly and whole-heartedly guarantee Ive read more books, and taken more college economy classes than you.

Lets get serious here now. Why are you defending the progression of quality tools and their jobs being taken away to China? Do you honestly believe, "Finally!! Milwaukee can now allocate less money to those greedy american workers and more to shock absorbant plastic!!" Where you really having so much trouble with your American made tool that its a sigh of relief that its Chinese now?

This progression is a direct correlation to the world economy. And yes, here in America the middle class is dissappearing and this is entirely related.

All of our American brands having to ship jobs to China is a F A I L U R E to this economy.
This isnt progress. Its a vicious cycle.

And do you know who you can thank for that????

We the people (though many of us have tried to fight against it) of the USA have put the idiots in charge to send the jobs overseas!! We have the highest corporate tax in the world and you think a company is going to just sit back and hand over thier profits?? No and neither would you. And guess what, the lefties like to up the taxes (not just income, now there is carbon taxes and there is A LOT more into running a business than you would think) so they are going to find ways to save money.

You can ***** and moan all you want about how your beloved tools are made else where but think for a minute why the companies have left the USA for China.. So what is your solution to the problem??? Stop pointing your finger at the company and instead write your congressman about your disgust in how they f'd up our country...


By the way, even though companies like Milwaukee, DeWalt, Snap-on have plants in China, they still provide many jobs to those here in the USA through other avenues like repair of products and other jobs..

Maybe its time to realize we as a country are no longer in the industrial age from over a hundred years ago. Cars have robotics being used to assemble them to a degree and that cut jobs as well. You see companies that leave certain states due to high taxes to go to others that are more business friendly (like the state I live in).

 

[Conductor562]

This thread is like watching 7th graders fight on YouTube. It's entertaining in a disturbing, I really shouldn't be watching this and I need to take a shower now, sort of way.

 

[dogdog]

I thoroughly and whole-heartedly guarantee Ive read more books, and taken more college economy classes than you.
...............

I hope it's not Economic 101 books, if you read one complete book then you have read one more than me....

But still back into the the title of this thread Hilti brand only sells tools in the USA. The OP was dissatisfy with the brand lie to him/her about the product's COO and didn't buy it that is one case, but if he/she just don't buy it because it was made in China , that is just Ignorant / foolish. If your argument is that Hilti making their stuff in China now takes away American jobs..... well you are a bigger fool than me.They have never manufacture any tools in the USA, so whether their product go manufacture in China or not.. have no impact on American Jobs.

Not sure if that is some of you trying to tie the two together.... if you prefer your tools to be made in the USA, that is a preference , that still holds nothing in this thread since Hilti never made in the USA. If your argument is that Made is China is cheap, well, you know why, you should really talk to the brand that sold you out.

If you are dissatisfy about the manufacturing jobs that was outsourced to China, if it is not China there was USA Japan, there would be India, Vietnam, Pakistan, Mexico and about a mile of other countries in line the American Business runs to. But still have no meat in this thread.....read above, Hilti tools sold in the US probably was never manufactured in the US.

just don't get your Patriotism and the fact confused.

 

[182RG]

China is perfectly capable of producing great stuff, as well as garbage.

^ This ^

The Chinese will build anything, to any quality spec that the outsourcing company is willing to pay for. That's the key. Apple vs Harbor Freight is a good example.

My company outsources 20% of its supply chain (building materials - wood finishing) for high volume, entry level products. We MUST do this to compete in that market segment. We were the last to make the move, and are playing catch up.

It's always a balancing act between cost and quality. If we wanted a better finish on a part, the Chinese company would simply hire 100 more people to hand finish at a relatively low incremental cost, vs. domestic. It's also faster and more flexible than spending a few million $ and waiting 12 months for an automated machine to be installed to achieve the same results.

Are the issues around pollution, natural resources, labor, intellectual property, etc. there? Sure. But you can't ignore market forces.

BTW, Vietnam is the next China. Their capabilities are ramping up quickly. There will be someone ramping up after Vietnam. The cycle will continue.


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