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ez3

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All because the woman didn't like the color.

It took probably 35 hours of grinding to get the old stuff up. The Bosch 1773 concrete grinder was the workhorse of the operation. It was abused and kept on going. There wasn't anything tough about it except for the calices on my knees. An angle grinder with a concrete blade helped get around the bull nosed edges.

Out with the old.
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Grinders.
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Next up was etching. Probably wasn't necessary but I wanted the surface as rough as possible. After a trip to the big box I came home with one of those environmentally safe etchers. Probably was a waste of time as I dragged out the grinder again to get a few spots. Muriatic acid is nasty but at least it gets the job done.

Rough and ready.
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Lighter spots are where I went back with the grinder.
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Timing was perfect. Fred at AlphaGarage got me the material Friday as promised. Friday night it was a wild night in the garage with the wife laying down a coat of BondTite 1101. It was nice to do it standing for once. I mixed and dumped while she did the spreading and rolling.

The goods. Met the driver at the end of the road.
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Spreading the BondTite.
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Done.
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Bright and early Saturday it was time for more together time putting down the base coat of LiquaTile 1184. This stuff is thick. Grab some peanut butter and bread cause this stuff is fluffernutter thick. Was pretty easy to put down. Dump, spread, roll. Forget the high heels and put spiked shoes on because it is DecoFlake time. It was so cute, she looked like Tinkerbell spreading fairy dust. They do not make you fly though.

Ummm, fluffernutter.
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Spreading the LiquaTile.
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Hands and knees time again, it’s taping time! Of course the Mrs. didn’t want a solid color. We’re going for a pattern with 3. I says “get your checkbook and you got it”. After about 15 different patterns we came up with a grid/checker board looking thing. Wasn’t too bad to tape off. Start from the center and work out. Lots of tape and a “LASER” to get the lines straight made it go pretty quick. Would have been faster if it wasn’t 1 in the morning.

That's what 5 rolls of one inch tape looks like.
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****-a-doodle-doo, it’s Sunday morning. Read the paper and have coffee, not today. We’re mixing up the Sand Beige LiquaTile. This time it was a bit trickier to dump just the right amount between the tape. After the dumping, I got the brush since the roller was already being used. Here I split it into two batches not knowing how long it would take to trim it all out. Good thing because the already thick LiquaTile gets tough to spread when it starts to set. In the back of my noggin I was half expecting it to wick under the tape. No surprise it did, the DecoFlakes don’t make a great surface for the tape to stick to. No biggie, the colors are close enough where it isn’t really noticeable. And there are a few pounds of DecoFlakes left to help mask the ooze.

Sand Beige stripes.
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After a few beers and a sandwich -- no football here -- it is time to tape off 50 little squares. That green frog tape stuff was worthless for this. I gave it a try to see if it would help stop the wicking with its “PaintBlock” technology. ****, it didn’t stick at all. By square 30 it was already peeling up. Plan B was to dry brush around the tape the fill in the squares after the LiquaTile was nice and gooey. It was a scramble to finish before it kicked but we got it. This method worked like a champ. Perfect edges around. Time for a beer.

Another roll.
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Done.
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Not done for the day yet. The white base has cured longer than 24 hours. It has to be prepped for the EnduraShield 2254. A scotchbrite pad and an orbital sander made short order of this task. Time for bed.

Monday morning we get up before the rooster does for a great breakfast. No bacon and eggs today, it is EnduraShield and SuperGrip 850. It was by far the easiest step. The SuperGrip made a real nice suede like texture to break up the gloss. Grammy won’t be falling in my garage. Off to work.

EnduraShield and SuperGrip on the left, plain on the right.
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It wasn’t the color that started the project but a **** epoxy that was peeling up terrible. It was so bad the dog found it amusing to tear at it. The Wolverine product was far better than anything I’ve used before. From what I’ve read it will be the last for this 575 square feet.

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thegarageguy

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Hey, good work. I almost wish you consulted with me on this before you took it on. You mentioned frog tape but all I see is blue painters tape. Regardless, frog tape is useless for this as well.

For your next project, get yourself a specific 3m tape. Since you aren't direct comp, you can pm me and I can give you tips on which to use and how to use it.

Next time it will be completely clean lines. :)
 
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ez3

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Wow. Nice job -- lots of work.

What grinding wheels did you use? Did you need to replace them half way in?

Thanks for the compliment. Yeah, it was a lot of work.

I used the one that came with the grinder which is a DC510. Didn't have to replace it and there is still lots of life left.
 

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Hasn't it been said on here before? That duct tape works for taping lines for epoxy flooring?? Would that stop the bleed thru?
 

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glad to see the dc510 is up to the task.

this is what I will be doing this weekend
 
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ez3

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Holy cow, you stripped that floor and did it again? wow

Yup. The old stuff (NOT Wolverine) was peeling up real bad - coaster sized chunks. I'm guessing the etcher that came with it wasn't up to the task and didn't do its job. That and the temperature was right at the recommended minimum.

Total cost? Total amount saved by you doing it with "free" labor?

It came out to be over $2 a foot. Getting more than one color really adds up quick. The original pattern changed from what you see. It had a lot more of the beige color. Hence, I have lots of leftovers. Free labor? No such thing.

glad to see the dc510 is up to the task.
this is what I will be doing this weekend

Just be careful and keep it flat. All it takes is a second and the edge can make a nice swirl mark.
 

eddy

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Excellent post! Thanks for this.
one question: do you know What was the old stuff? and how long it had been on before peeling?

Thanks.
 

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Thanks for the compliment. Yeah, it was a lot of work.

I used the one that came with the grinder which is a DC510. Didn't have to replace it and there is still lots of life left.

Any chance you want to sell the DC510?
 
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Yup. The old stuff (NOT Wolverine) was peeling up real bad - coaster sized chunks. I'm guessing the etcher that came with it wasn't up to the task and didn't do its job. That and the temperature was right at the recommended minimum.

Well that makes sense then, I thought you were doing merely becaause the wife didn't like the color. :lol_hitti
 

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All I can say is WOW!!!!! Nice work. You must have a very hot wife to go through all that.

I looked up one of those grinders cause I had to have one .....just cause. $500 and change , I'll wait til I need one I geuss.
 

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35 hours of grinding?!?! Couldn't you find a rental for a walk behind diamond grinder?
 

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ez3 - Very impressive! The prep work took some time, but once you started mixing stuff you charged right through! I think that even with the patterns you coated the floor in less time than it takes me to do a solid color!

Both you and your helper have an AG TShirt coming for creativity, perseverance, and ability to work together without bloodshed.

Overkill - if you're looking for a grinder, check out the Motabo w23 230, should be able to find it in the low $200's - thegarageguy posted about an inexpensive dust hood that looked like it would do the trick, add a diamond cup and you have a full set-up for under $400.

A good thing about an angle grinder is that after you're done with the floor - they are extremely versatile tools to have around for all sorts of fixes. Sanding, cutting stock, grinding bolts, polishing the car... just watch out for those pesky swirl marks:)
 
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ez3

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I looked up one of those grinders cause I had to have one .....just cause. $500 and change , I'll wait til I need one I geuss.

I got it off Amazon for just under 400. Bosch does make decent tools but this does seem overpriced. Rated at 10 amps it has a bit of go but still.

35 hours of grinding?!?! Couldn't you find a rental for a walk behind diamond grinder?

If I knew it was going to take that long I probably would have looked into renting something. As it started it was an excuse for another tool. Half of the old coating mostly flaked off (part I started on). The other half the coating turned into sticky balls (like a booger) and took a lot more time.

Overkill - if you're looking for a grinder, check out the Motabo w23 230, should be able to find it in the low $200's - thegarageguy posted about an inexpensive dust hood that looked like it would do the trick, add a diamond cup and you have a full set-up for under $400.

Not sure how good it is but I saw a DeWalt diamond cup at Lowes for 60ish.
 
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ez3

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ez3 - Very impressive! The prep work took some time, but once you started mixing stuff you charged right through! I think that even with the patterns you coated the floor in less time than it takes me to do a solid color!

Both you and your helper have an AG TShirt coming for creativity, perseverance, and ability to work together without bloodshed.

Haha. Thanks, AlphaGarage.

So, far we love the way it looks (as does everyone else that has seen it). The top coat is great, super hard. Been parking in it and ended up dropping and dragging stuff when resetting it. So far not a scratch. And I am glad I did the SuperGrip. With the puddles from all the rain I don't have to worry about doing the electric slide and ending up on the floor. Feels good on the bare feet too.
 
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