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Flexia

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My plan is to build a 26x40 pole building all DIY. Now as fas as excavation goes I will need to take the top soil off and dig up 3 stumps. This is where I'm unsure if I should hire out or rent a mini backhoe. As far as im thinking some one that does it everyday may be faster and maybe cheaper in that aspect. What do you guys think? Also would anyone know what the going rate is or earthwork?
 
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Heavymetalmechanic

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I would do it myself, because playing with construction equipment is addictive. If you have reasonable hand eye coordination you should be able to pick up the basics pretty quick. The experience is worth more then any potential savings in my opinion.

But that is coming from a guy who never passes up a chance to play with a big hoe!
 

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How long do you have to do this and how much are you willing to spend on the digging? If you need it done before cold weather sets in, then hire a professional, but be ready to pay. If you want the satisfaction of "I did it all myself", then look into renting some sort of excavator. I know in my town they are in the Upper Hundreds to Thousand dollar range (without actually looking). Check in your area.
 

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Depends on the hire costs.

Where I live it costs nearly as much to hire the machine as it does to get a guy in with a bigger better machine plus a dump truck, he knows how to use it, and if the machine breaks or something gets screwed up its on him.

Don't forget to factor in your own time when calculating the costs as well. You could be somewhere else earning $200 while he's doing the job.
Playing with diggers is fun, but sometimes it just makes sense to get the guy who does it all day every day. Especially when your building on top of it. Sloppy levelling could increase your slab costs or weaken your slab, depending if you've gone too thick or too thin.
 

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It sounds to me like you will need a mini hoe as well as a skidsteer. The hoe will dig out the stumps and you can strip off the topsoil with it but you better be really good about how far down you go. Then you need the skidsteer to move the dirt and level the gravel for the pad. I would get a price for renting and a price for having someone do it. You may also want to ask around and see if anyone is interesting in moonlighting. I have plumber who pulled all my shrubs out one saturday with his mini hoe. He liked the cash payment and it only took him a short time. He also liked no clean up. But playing with equipment is great fun. I bought a skidsteer probably 8 years ago and have only put a couple of hundred hours on it since then. It is my toy and actually a great investment since it is worth several thousand more then I paid for it.
 

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Having worked as an operator I can say that digging stumps is an easy task. Just about anybody can dig a stump and do a halfway decent job, although it might take them a lot longer than it should.

Leveling ground is NOT an easy task. It takes quite a bit of time to become proficient and it is easy to make an enormous mess.
 

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Having worked as an operator I can say that digging stumps is an easy task. Just about anybody can dig a stump and do a halfway decent job, although it might take them a lot longer than it should.

Leveling ground is NOT an easy task. It takes quite a bit of time to become proficient and it is easy to make an enormous mess.

I have never worked as an operator, just played around on our backhoe at the farm. I have dug several footers and leveled for a couple of buildings.

A_Pmech is exactly right about this. If you have the time and the cost difference is significant rent and do it yourself (it really is fun).

If time is critical or the cost is close hire.
 

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Anyone have an idea what it may cost to hire out?

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It really depends on what you need done, I see you are in akron, I live south of canton, I will try to think of someone up that way that you could call. You might try the yellow pages and just call around.
 

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I have rented a backhoes and skidsteers on multiple occasions for several reasons.

1. Big boy toys are fun
2. Save money
3. I could do several digging projects at the same time.

I learned a lot and would do it again!
So far I have dug footings, scraped off for a cement pad, notched out slope for a walkout bi-level garage, dug up stumps and moved dirt for raised beds and a 25x40 patio.

I would weigh the cost and when you can get someone to show up. Some of these guys are booked months out.
 

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They toys you get to play with, by doing it yourself make it worth it
call Taylor Rental, they have those machines around here

Take your time and let the machine do it.

A Taylor supposedly around Akron
1390 W Bagley Rd,
Berea, OH 44017
(440) 234-7200
 
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Flexia

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It really depends on what you need done, I see you are in akron, I live south of canton, I will try to think of someone up that way that you could call. You might try the yellow pages and just call around.

Technically I'm in Jackson township so really not to far from you

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One thing to consider also is do you have a place for the topsoil or do you need it hauled away. If you need it hauled they will charge you if you are doing the work yourself, if they do the work they may haul it for free (charge someone else for it being delivered)
 
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I'm in upstate NY and Cat 320 rates are 160-175/hr and 312 rates are around 125/hr. I think it comes down to what you are looking to get out of it. If you want to play, and learn, you can rent a machine for a few hundred a day. But if you want it done well and quickly, it is impressive what a skilled operator can get done in a day.
 

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My usual yardstick on things like this is 2:1. I figure it'll take me twice as long to do a job as it would take a pro. Then I use that to do the math. If I'm not saving 50% doing it myself .. why am I using up time I could be using on something else. If the job gets complicated .. and it often does simply because of inexperience ... that ratio could go even further out of whack.

I spent 3 weeks puzzling out an issue of bracing an out of plumb wall ... called a guy and he took 10 minutes to figure out what to do .. and 30 minutes to do it. It's tough to beat experience.
 

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Having worked as an operator I can say that digging stumps is an easy task. Just about anybody can dig a stump and do a halfway decent job, although it might take them a lot longer than it should.

Leveling ground is NOT an easy task. It takes quite a bit of time to become proficient and it is easy to make an enormous mess.

^^^Exactly.

FWIW, you dont want a backhoe, excavator, skidsteer, or any combination of those. You want a dozer w/a 6-way blade. Pay the owner/operator, its cheaper and easier.
 

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Having worked as an operator I can say that digging stumps is an easy task. Just about anybody can dig a stump and do a halfway decent job, although it might take them a lot longer than it should.

Leveling ground is NOT an easy task. It takes quite a bit of time to become proficient and it is easy to make an enormous mess.

Exactly. I used to be a cat operator and have over 10,000 hours in running those machines. Got fairly decent at it towards the end :lol:
Then I rented a small bobcat to level a couple lots in town. Made a godawful mess. It was like starting all over again. Finally took it back and replaced it with a small loader and did the job properly. Moral of the story, it takes time to master an unfamiliar machine. Anyone can drive one, but it takes skill and experience to operate one.
 

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I'd hire it out, site grading is not easy to learn without a lot of machine hours. It'll much faster and cheaper in the long run.
 

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Flexia I am in Jackson Township as well (Hills & Dales). I have a guy that can dig it up for you & pour your slab. Really good pricing.
 

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I did mine diy but my grandfather has the equipment as he does septic work. I did the rough work and he came in and finished it. What would have took me 4-5 hours to get right he had done in an hour easy.

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When I built my first barn in 1993, I got an estimate from an excavation contractor. For a little more than that amount, I bought a used diesel skid steer loader with a bucket and pallet forks. Over the last 20 years I have used it for plowing snow, moving dirt, moving palletized stuff, and more things than I can remember.
 

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As a building contractor and owner of both a track hoe and a bobcat, I'll tell ya, call a guy with the equipment. If you've never operated either, you'll blow 2 to 3 days operating the machines at 25 percent capacity. Remember, equipment renters make their dough on the Ametures. They are scared of the equipment, don't run balls out and spend lots of time with the machine off or idling. Rental yards charge for time out, not time used. Unless you exceed 8 hrs per day. Leveling a large pad requires real depth perception and lots of experience. I've been doing it 20 years and still need a laser and a stick man. My cat skinner excavated my last 3400 square foot house requiring a 2' cut in about 6 hours, dead nuts flat. I agree with the fun factor. My machines are extremely useful and are about the only thing I really like doing in the field anymore, they are a blast. The cat can push the stumps out, cut the hole and spread the gravel. Depending on the design, you might need a hoe for footings. Again, diddling around with a excavator is touchy business. A good operator can dig a flat straight footing. The rest of us make a fair mess. If you can find a used skid steer with forks you can do tons of things up thru Landscaping then sell it for what you paid for it. Leave the heavy stuff to a pro.
 
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nicksnothereman

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My plan is to build a 26x40 pole building all DIY. Now as fas as excavation goes I will need to take the top soil off and dig up 3 stumps. This is where I'm unsure if I should hire out or rent a mini backhoe. As far as im thinking some one that does it everyday may be faster and maybe cheaper in that aspect. What do you guys think? Also would anyone know what the going rate is or earthwork?

Hire it out. Doesn't matter the cost. Removing stumps is backbreaking labor...not anywhere near a one man job if it's hardwood or anything truly entrenched. If you say stump then it's pretty much entrenched unless it was a very young tree.

It's going to cost maybe $300-400 for a professional to do it though.
 

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Be careful who you hire as well. I am in the excavation business and it is unbelievable how many companies are out there that are just no good. We constantly see other companies taking 2+ weeks to do a job we will do in 1-2 days, and we are also constantly getting hired to fix and redo other companies work.


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