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Swingpress

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This came up for sale but I can't tell if it my eyes or the photo. How big is this thing? Question #2, is it worth the risk or no? I will be close by the seller tomorrow early so I just wanted to get some opinions beforehand. Thank you all in advance!
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Looks to be about a 12" to 14" machine. Probably 2-5 HP. Likely 3-phase, but confirm to be sure.
 

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Something is suspect with it, it's been on there for at least a month that I have noticed.
 
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Knowing my luck lately, it will probably burst into flames the minute I pay for it. Seems to be how it's been going the last few days!
 

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Thing positive, maybe your luck will change with this one. Just check it out with a meter before you plug it in. Besides, the stand alone is worth about that amount.
 

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Most that size will be 3-phase; that scares off most home shop buyers.

But then, "needs a new capacitor" and 3-phase motors don't use capacitors, do they?

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It looks like another kicker/ helper motor mounted on back. Can't figure out if that an add on or came from the factory like that.
 

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With the limited info in that advert, all we can do is to make some 'educated guesses', based on that photo.

Early 1900's?.....no, could be late 1930's to mid-'50's, most likely 1940's, part of the high-volume production of tooling during the war.

HP and wheel size?......it could be a 2 or 3hp. 1750rpm unit, for 12" wheels, or a 5hp 1150rpm unit, for 14" wheels. I'd guess, based on the size of the data plate relative to the motor, that its not the common smaller 1hp 1750rpm unit, for 10" wheels.....but could be mistaken.

The seller's 'bad capacitor' diagnosis? A 3-phase motor, which this one most likely would be, will 'hum' and not turn if two of its three wires are 'hot' but one has no voltage. A 3ph motor tried on residential single phase 220 will do that, of course.

It could be possible that what appears to be another motor in the background was an earlier owner's rig for an improvised 'rotary phase converter', in which an 'idler motor' would be spun, then energised, to provide the 'third leg' of the power, which does start and run a 3ph motor, such as that grinder. This improvisation, if that is what is present, would be a practical way to run a 3-phase industrial grinder on domestic 'single-phase' 220 power.

Its also quite possible that the photo simply caught an unrelated motor in the background.

Another caveat would be that many of that style of grinder were built as 'single voltage' units, wired for 440V only, and must be re-wound to operate on 220. If otherwise in good condition, they are well worth the cost of re-winding.

The Hisey-Wolf make is best quality equipment, so, if this one has no cracked castings or other damage, it is would be well worth the cost of re-winding, new bearings, and new wheels, if one has a need for a grinder of this size class. (for a cost-analysis, look at the price of a new 12" Baldor pedestal grinder)

That said, its present economic value is that of its weight in scrap, as the cost of rebuilding will equal or exceed its potential market value, that is, it would be cost-effective to rebuild for one's use, but not to sell.

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this 1 is still available iffen ur near nw indiana. its 3ph 7 hp 12".

The grinder is a U. S. Electrical Tool Co. Model 10, 7.5 hp, 1750 rpm, using 12" x 2.5" wheels. I'm grinding a 1.5" round to make a few sparks. manufactured september 1948.

last 4th july it meged fine. also got 2 new 12x2" wheels for it.
 
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Wow y'all! You have all been above and beyond helpful! That why I come here and I can only hope I can return the favor some time!
1982fxr: you were right on the money! Ranges from $100 - $300 per wheel!

Pig9r: you might be right! Tried contacting the seller twice and no response yet....

M_George: true, and looks like it might have paid off in the form of 2 sales I went to today!

Carla: you are a wealth of knowledge, thank you! I recently was standing next to a huge old floor unit that looked like it took 24" wheels. I inquired but was told it was still seeing heavy use by its owner! If I can get this one I hope it's ok that I ask you a few more questions.

wrenchguy: that thing is a monster! Very cool! If this doesn't pan out I might be tempted to make a road trip!

Again, thank you all!
 
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Holy ****! Just heard back from the seller and trying to come up with a time to meet and check it out!
Excited voice: SOMETHINGS HAPPENING!!!!!

Torqueman2002: do you take on, erm......larger.....projects?!?
 

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3ph old stuff is inexpensive, especially the cloth covered wired/wound ones. ur not going to get it running…. good luck.
 

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3ph old stuff is inexpensive, especially the cloth covered wired/wound ones. ur not going to get it running…. good luck.

Nonsense.......if Swingpress feels motivated to invest in doing the cleaning/de-rusting work, the cost of having it re-wound, and the cost of some new bearings and grinding wheels, that grinder could be quite readily restored to an 'as new' functional condition.

The actual cost of correctly rebuilding an old grinder like this one, assuming it has no broken/cracked castings, is only a tiny fraction of the cost of a new one of equivalent size/capability, so restoring the old one is ever so cost-effective.

If Swingpress has an active fabrication shop, the investment in a grinder of that size will amortise itself rather quickly, actually.

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i meant when he goes to look at it. yes its worth it to rebuild, but there are a lot of 3ph out there priced on the cheap, running.
 

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I say have at it . Here`s my 5hp Queen city lookin pretty, sounds like a jet engine starting up I love it. That's a 1/3 hp Wissota for scale
And a mates massive 10 or 15 hp beast I cannot remember which but it`s fuggen huge.
 

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Bumping this up. What ever happened here? Just today I ended up with a Hisey-Wolf Model 12. It's different than the pictured units, as it's a belt drive. But the 2HP motor on it is multi-voltage. It is 3-phase, so I'm trying to figure out how to deal with that.
 
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Yeah, what happened? I hate it when a thread just ends abruptly and leaves us hanging....



Yeah, that's where I'm at every time I see it too. I called, e-mailed, set up a time, and then nothing! I gave it my best, but I guess it wasn't meant to be?!
 
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