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After leaving a 3 car shop behind when we moved to Kentucky 11 years ago, I finally got the opportunity to build a new shop for my car hobby this year.

I live in a rural neighborhood with an active but reasonable Housing Association. Most of the lots are 1-3 acres and outbuildings are pretty much restricted to small sheds (which is crazy IMO) or horse stables. No detached garages are allowed. What defines a garage vs. barn is what's inside (cars=garage, horses=barn). Other restrictions include garage doors (even attached garages) can't face the street and all outbuildings must have "similar construction materials" as your house.

Luckily my lot is pie shaped and is listed as exempt from the no garage doors facing the street rule. So the next challenge was what does it take to be considered "attached". I met with the HOA and they were fairly liberal on this point: they have approved breeze ways in the past so basically anything that physically adjoins the building to the house would work.

At that point, things became easy because we were no longer talking about an outbuilding, covenant rule-wise, but now we're talking about an extension/ addition to my house. So after laying out my site plan with proper easements and such, I fairly easily got approval from immediate neighbors, the HOA, and the Building Permit (in that order). Note that the county still considers it an outbuilding but this is horse country so what I was wanting to do was very typical for them.

So that's the backstory. I started in April of 2016 and am now finally finishing up some details but am starting to move things in so thought I'd start a thread. The building is 32x56x12 with 8/12 pitch (huge for my neighborhood but I followed the rules!).

I'm going to post a bunch of pictures with Tapatalk and then come back later with comments/ descriptions/ answers to questions. Also want to shout out to CarCrazyRDM whose garage most influenced the neighborhood friendly look I was going for..

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Nice living in a place that will allow you to build a shop. We live in a rural neighborhood as well. Though our HOA is a bit more relaxed as we are able to have Tin cover barns with the only exception of it having Wainscoat Brick/Stone of the same type used on the house. Just for the sides that face the street.

I did get in a month long ******* match with the approval committee as I wanted a 20x60 lean off the front. They said no because they were able to use their subjective powers. They were also upset with the size of the shop as they felt it was too large for the community. At the time it was going to be 50x60. However, there was nothing in the by laws that gave them the power to reject it due to the size. But since they would not allow the Lean I decided to make the shop bigger, so I went with a 60x60 shop. Needless to say I will not be invited to any neighborhood parties thrown by 2 of the 3 approval members anytime soon..
 
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Awesome space, awesome '57... wow, just awesome.

Did you consider perma-columns or a hybrid pole barn that used a traditional concrete foundation?

Post in the ground structures, by their nature, will have structural issues with the posts rotting at some point. Now that'll no doubt likely never be your problem 'cause it may be 50 years from now, but with such a beautiful home, and such a high end build outbuilding so close to that home, just curious if you put any thought into that?
 
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As of yesterday, my wife's Corolla was finally inside the attached garage, for those of you concerned! [emoji12]


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The title hooked me. HOA and pole barn usually do not belong in the same sentence.

By the way, nice looking "pole barn".
 
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Awesome space, awesome '57... wow, just awesome.

Did you consider perma-columns or a hybrid pole barn that used a traditional concrete foundation?

Post in the ground structures, by their nature, will have structural issues with the posts rotting at some point. Now that'll no doubt likely never be your problem 'cause it may be 50 years from now, but with such a beautiful home, and such a high end build outbuilding so close to that home, just curious if you put any thought into that?

Yes, I considered it and in the end, the center row of columns ended up being DIY perma-columns, because we couldn't find posts long enough. In other words, we poured the holes and then anchored the posts to them (still ended up buried by the concrete floor a few inches. But yes I did want them originally and really couldn't get my builder interested in them as he was worried that they make for a weaker pole by adding that joint above ground.

So basically I put a French drain around the perimeter of the building with the hopes that my poles stay away from rain water (I understand this isn't as good and they will someday rot). But they're treated of course and my family in Indiana has pole barns built in the 60's with untreated wood that are still standing well and used daily.
 

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Yes, I considered it and in the end, the center row of columns ended up being DIY perma-columns, because we couldn't find posts long enough. In other words, we poured the holes and then anchored the posts to them (still ended up buried by the concrete floor a few inches. But yes I did want them originally and really couldn't get my builder interested in them as he was worried that they make for a weaker pole by adding that joint above ground.

So basically I put a French drain around the perimeter of the building with the hopes that my poles stay away from rain water (I understand this isn't as good and they will someday rot). But they're treated of course and my family in Indiana has pole barns built in the 60's with untreated wood that are still standing well and used daily.

Thanks for the response. French drain, proper grading and good gutters... :thumbup:

I get wanting to have a barn as a shop. There's just something cool about a metal sided barn. It's like a living breathing thing when your working in it.

Folks that have one will understand... those that don't are like :dunno:.

The overhead cross bar with hoist on your lift... slick.

So what ya doin' to the '57? 454 with a tunnel ram, dual four's with fender well headers?
 
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Nice living in a place that will allow you to build a shop. We live in a rural neighborhood as well. Though our HOA is a bit more relaxed as we are able to have Tin cover barns with the only exception of it having Wainscoat Brick/Stone of the same type used on the house. Just for the sides that face the street.

I did get in a month long ******* match with the approval committee as I wanted a 20x60 lean off the front. They said no because they were able to use their subjective powers. They were also upset with the size of the shop as they felt it was too large for the community. At the time it was going to be 50x60. However, there was nothing in the by laws that gave them the power to reject it due to the size. But since they would not allow the Lean I decided to make the shop bigger, so I went with a 60x60 shop. Needless to say I will not be invited to any neighborhood parties thrown by 2 of the 3 approval members anytime soon..

Sounds like similar situation as me...mine is huger than they probably thought anyone would build, but within the rules...and honestly because of the height of my house and how the barn sits back a little bit, doesn't look as big from the street as it really is. I've had no complaints! Only thing neighbors have said is they wished they could do the same! ;)
 
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I get wanting to have a barn as a shop. There's just something cool about a metal sided barn. It's like a living breathing thing when your working in it.

I've always wanted a "barn". In fact, there are so many horse and tobacco barns around here I was just going to build a tobacco barn and say hey, it's a barn...it's not a garage...prove there are cars in it!

The overhead cross bar with hoist on your lift... slick.

Thanks...I made that when I first installed it back in Indiana, probably 2002. Originally I was concerned about the strength of the base plate models, so that added strength...then I got the idea of putting an electric winch from it - I've pulled / installed many engines with that and it works great.

So what ya doin' to the '57? 454 with a tunnel ram, dual four's with fender well headers?

Nothing crazy...just going back with a 355/700R4...it's going to be my driver. Also put Vintage AC in it. My dad built that car for a guy back in 1981 and I had a chance to buy it a couple years ago. Still has his lacquer paint job on it. So I'm keeping it patina'd. The other car is my show car I built, modeled after a Black Widow.
 
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Hello from Harrodsburg! That turned out great! Who was the builder?
 

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Awesome shop. I love the red/white ceiling. How's the sound level inside with all the metal on the walls and ceiling?
 
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Awesome shop. I love the red/white ceiling. How's the sound level inside with all the metal on the walls and ceiling?



Really is fine. The insulation muffles it. Radio sounds good from any location. [emoji16]


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Sounds like similar situation as me...mine is huger than they probably thought anyone would build, but within the rules...and honestly because of the height of my house and how the barn sits back a little bit, doesn't look as big from the street as it really is. I've had no complaints! Only thing neighbors have said is they wished they could do the same! ;)

Similar when I built my garage addition. No HOA but did hear some rumblings from the neighbors through gossip by the way, not directly.

But now that it is done and finished with matching siding and color and quality carriage house doors, nary a peep. Except for all the guys in the neighborhood who now envy the space.
 

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Stunning shop, hope the HOA @#$% don't screw you down the road. Why would they not want a building that looks that nice in their neighborhood.

Oh how far are you from Churchill Downs, that might be why they like stinky horses.
 
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Stunning shop, hope the HOA @#$% don't screw you down the road. Why would they not want a building that looks that nice in their neighborhood.



Oh how far are you from Churchill Downs, that might be why they like stinky horses.



They can't screw me: they signed off on it. Neighbors are cool too.

I'm an hour from Louisville but more horse farms here than there.


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Looks great Joe! I appreciate the shoutout but I'd say you far out did me, lol. Great looking on the inside and out. And I'm glad you were able to work something out with your HOA.

Someone else already mentioned this above but I also dig the hoist on top of your lift. That was one item I was trying to incorporate into my garage (a trolley/I-beam hoist) but the manufactured I-beams we used just aren't designed to have force pulling on them from the bottom. I could still tie them together from above and run something through the floor upstairs but for the time being I just decided it wasn't necessary. I figure if push comes to shove I can always lift something heavy out of a truck etc with my to-be-purchased lift arms.

And I'm also a fan of the faux stone walls. I don't need them on my garage but I may have to use something like that one day on an exterior project. Or depending on the application some of what they offer might even look cool inside the house.

So is it "done" or are you still actively working on it?
 
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So is it "done" or are you still actively working on it?

I'm still working on the loft area - things like insulating the ceiling, building some shelves, etc. I'm also testing how well my little 220v heater is working and trying to decide if that'll do the job this winter. But it's starting to become a place to work instead of a thing I have to work on, which is cool.
 
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