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The one i couldn't believe i read about years ago was on the pirate4x4 forums, about a fella who was not allowed to work on his vehicle IN HIS GARAGE WITH THE DOOR CLOSED.
I call BS on this one.

Gotta be more to the story.

Perhaps he was making lots of noise late at night, or he was in an attached townhouse community and he was causing fire danger to other units?

Anyway, we get it — they are not for you.
 
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Four vehicles out front I can understand beacuse it is just tacky. Bad enough that my donor Dakota pickup is on my driveway (75' from the street, near the east side fence, no one but me can see it) awaiting my 56 Dodge build project. But multiple vehicles sitting "permanently" outside is begging for issues.

All I know, based on replies here and personal feelings, I know an HOA is not in my future.
 

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I call BS on this one.

Gotta be more to the story.

Perhaps he was making lots of noise late at night, or he was in an attached townhouse community and he was causing fire danger to other units?

Anyway, we get it — they are not for you.
Well you are welcome to your opinion. There was lots of incredulity in the pirate thread but he seemed legit
 

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Only the purported adverse incidents make the interwebs...the 99% living in peace and harmony aren't salacious enough.
Most crimes don't make it past the local blotter as well. And who knows how many residents are trying to do maintenance in their garage. But never less, its far from BS as Ralphinca stated
 

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In my buddies HOA pretty much everyone had a detached shop/storage building. He had s bunch of woodworking tools and does some of his own vehicle maintenance.
Nobody cares as long as he doesn't leave a mess outside.
 

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I think there is too much spread in HOAs for a general comment. It would be best to *know what you are getting into* and talk to some people in the neighborhood to see what you might expect from the particular HOA that you would be in.

I am an extreme DIY type guy, and like many here, do not like to be told what to do and grew up where people mind their own business. But when I moved to central Michigan, I wanted to be very close to the primary schools my sons would go to and I had a chance to do so (right across the street from middle schools and close to elementary and high schools) in a home that fit well otherwise with ... gulp ... a HOA. In my case, this is a lightweight HOA: $60/year fee (for common area maintenance in roundabout centers etc ... all were stand alone homes) but some restrictions on yard stuff (cut grass enough, vehicle storage prohibitions, shed prohibitions, etc). I moved in with some trepidation. It hit quickly: I was moving myself and some old busy-body patrol tagged me for leaving the moving trailer that I built on the driveway for a few days in between loads. I emailed the HOA office and explained I was a busy professor self moving on the weekend and only left a clean trailer on the driveaway. They laughed, called back and told me to ignore it along with an apology for the over-aggression of their patrol, and said welcome to the neighborhood and take your time. I could live with that. Then nothing for 8 years till I was keeping a non-operational on my driveway to fix up for my son. Some monitors figured it must not be running (not sure how ...) and tagged me to remove it within a week or so. THAT really annoyed me since I needed to sell it quick to get rid of the problem and it torpedoed my plan (son did not need for a few years). I admit that I was waiting too long to get to it, but it looked like a normal car in the driveway. I should also add I am an extreme DIY guy so I am always working on stuff outside from siding/painting to roof work, in the driveway doing various car work, cutting down trees, growing fruit vs flowers, etc etc. Much much more work is hidden inside. Nobody ever questioned me over any of that and my immediate neighbors are normal and I could not imagine them complaining (I help them with stuff). So one big annoyance in like a decade that forced an issue is not too too bad out of many projects and activities.

One funny thing too: When I had the car issue, I looked up who was on the HOA board figuring it was a bunch of retired women with nothing better to do than bother productive guys. Well ... it turned out their group was mostly retired MEN. Hmm. So much for my extrapolation!!

In hindsight, the school was important enough to live with the car annoyance in my case. I would rather not have the HOA and I would rather not have the worry over what they might or might not do. But the light version that I have has not the end of the world. An even more aggressive and expensive version would be another story ...
 
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I think one thing often overlooked is the fact that HOAs can change over the years.

Case in point; years ago, Nevada was more of a Wild West place, the few HOAs were pretty well run and if you didn't do anything horrible, they left you alone. Then the Californians started moving in........pretty soon they got on the boards and began to run things 'like they did it in California'.

The existing homeowners had no choice but to comply with the new grossly over-restrictive standards.
 
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Never lived in one and still wouldn't touch a HOA area if the house was free, I've heard too many negative stories to risk it. I can live with common sense rules or whatever but having Little Miss Stalin pinning warnings to my door over pointless garbage and all the micromanaging and pointless power-trip rules would drive me nuts.

Have had family live in HOA areas; had to run out and bring bins in straight away or they would get reported, people from "the board" would come around the village and check gardens and write you up for grass too long or boarders untidy etc when it looked fine, was reported for repainting the outside of house the exact same colour with the same paint (literally just cleaning up where it it was sun bleached or worn) because we needed written approval from "the board" to paint the outside of a house, couldn't park outside the house had to park down the road in a scummy car park that you needed a permit for.

If you were on "the board" or were friends of them you could do what you liked; build a multi story house that didn't match any other building in the village in your backyard, any remodeling no matter how disruptive, park where you wanted, have parties till 2am etc no issue. Not associated with the board and want a small shed to store your mower etc in "sorry it doesn't fit the village aesthetic, you'll have to take that it down" even though its in the backyard that is completely invisible to anyone unless you walk around the back of the property.
 

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Never lived in one and still wouldn't touch a HOA area if the house was free, I've heard too many negative stories to risk it. I can live with common sense rules or whatever but having Little Miss Stalin pinning warnings to my door over pointless garbage and all the micromanaging and pointless power-trip rules would drive me nuts.

Have had family live in HOA areas; had to run out and bring bins in straight away or they would get reported, people from "the board" would come around the village and check gardens and write you up for grass too long or boarders untidy etc when it looked fine, was reported for repainting the outside of house the exact same colour with the same paint (literally just cleaning up where it it was sun bleached or worn) because we needed written approval from "the board" to paint the outside of a house, couldn't park outside the house had to park down the road in a scummy car park that you needed a permit for.

If you were on "the board" or were friends of them you could do what you liked; build a multi story house that didn't match any other building in the village in your backyard, any remodeling no matter how disruptive, park where you wanted, have parties till 2am etc no issue. Not associated with the board and want a small shed to store your mower etc in "sorry it doesn't fit the village aesthetic, you'll have to take that it down" even though its in the backyard that is completely invisible to anyone unless you walk around the back of the property.
This was my perception of HOAs. But my 10 year experience with a lightweight one was not quite so dire. See my comment above. But I think it will depend on the situation. I would certainly use care before getting into such a situation for any DIY type. I repainted my house, reroofed, repointed bricks, siding, trim, etc etc all with no permit and no comments from the HOA. But in my case the HOA mostly focuses on common areas between stand alone homes.
 

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I think there is too much spread in HOAs for a general comment. It would be best to *know what you are getting into* and talk to some people in the neighborhood to see what you might expect from the particular HOA that you would be in.
That was my point several posts prior. They are all different. I have no issue with my HOA, and stay somewhat involved so I know what's going on.

I think one thing often overlooked is the fact that HOAs can change over the years.

Case in point; years ago, Nevada was more of a Wild West place, the few HOAs were pretty well run and if you didn't do anything horrible, they left you alone. Then the Californians started moving in........pretty soon they got on the boards and began to run things 'like they did it in California'.

The existing homeowners had no choice but to comply with the new grossly over-restrictive standards.
Yes, I'm sure it was the "Californians" that screwed up everything. :twak:

Almost every HOA bylaws are written to require votes on significant changes. And majority or even super-majority approval for BIG changes. These newbies can't come in and "run things the way they want" without homeowner approval.

Anecdotal stories almost always prove to be wildly exaggerated. To say that all of "Nevada HOAs" are overrun by Californians seems like one of them.
 

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I remember another HOA thread a few years back where one member was irate because he couldn't park 4 cars on his front lawn.🙄
California State Law states that it is “unlawful for any person to park a vehicle in the front yard area of any residentially used lot or parcel of land, except in a paved driveway

You can rag all over California if you want, but I have no problem with that restriction. I occasionally see a car parked on a lawn if someone is washing it or has a lot of visitors. No problem with that, just don't want someone with a 2-car garage driveway and the garage is full of **** so they park 2 on the lawn and 2 in the driveway.

Parking is getting worse since they're encouraging ADU's to ease housing problems. Garages, if they were ever used before, are now disappearing.

Some friends purchased a new motorhome but kept their old one. Both are meticulously kept as is their house and yard. They recently got a visit from code enforcement and informed they were limited to only one in the driveway per residence.
 

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I am a pretty big fan of not concerning myself with where folks park the cars they pay for on the property they pay for.
I take good care of my home and yard. When those cars on lawns makes my neighborhood look like a used car lot, then I'm concerned. How far do you let things slide? We're talking suburban residential neighborhood, not out in the country with big acreage.
 

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I take good care of my home and yard. When those cars on lawns makes my neighborhood look like a used car lot, then I'm concerned. How far do you let things slide? We're talking suburban residential neighborhood, not out in the country with big acreage.

I spent 20+ years listening to folks complain about stuff that isn't their business. It was exhausting then, and its exhausting now.

I don't "let things slide," I simply don't care. Not my yard, not my business. If it bothers me that much, I can always call a realtor. The last damned thing I am going to do is call the cops, code enforcement, or HOA Howard and his clipboard commandos.
 

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I take good care of my home and yard. When those cars on lawns makes my neighborhood look like a used car lot, then I'm concerned. How far do you let things slide? We're talking suburban residential neighborhood, not out in the country with big acreage.
I agree. Yeah, you could sell but I would bet you are getting less money than you could get if the yard was neater and not full of junk cars and travel trailers.

This 2.5 acre yard is a few miles from me, there is 3 rv’s and about 8 cars and a few enclosed trailers in the yard. It looks like a dump.

They actually own a food vending trailer and at one event we were at they were also there, the guy was wearing clothes that looked like he was under a truck changing his oil when he remembered he had to work at his trailer.

The event organizer asked him if he could change his clothes and clean up some.
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I agree. Yeah, you could sell but I would bet you are getting less money than you could get if the yard was neater and not full of junk cars.

This 2.5 acre yard is a few miles from me, there is 3 rv’s and about 8 cars and a few enclosed trailers in the yard. It looks like a dump.
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And how does that affect you from “a few miles away?”

It doesn’t. That’s how.
 

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And how do people that choose to live in an HOA affect you from "a few miles away?"
It doesn't. That's how.
You don't have a dog in this fight.
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You’re absolutely right, I don’t, and neither does that guy a few miles from your house.

My response, however, was not to an HOA centric issue, but to the statement that the poster was completely fine with laws that dictated parking in one’s own yard.

Overreach and nanny state nonsense is a fight in which my dog could be involved.
 

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You’re absolutely right, I don’t, and neither does that guy a few miles from your house.

My response, however, was not to an HOA centric issue, but to the statement that the poster was completely fine with laws that dictated parking in one’s own yard.

Overreach and nanny state nonsense is a fight in which my dog could be involved.
As long as you avail yourself of the local ordinances, any CCR's and Deeds of Restrictions associated with the property and agree or disagree with them before you make your purchase decision, no issues. Categorizing these governing documents as "Over reach and nanny state nonsense" is disingenuous at best.
Some people prefer to live in an area with the potential for unregulated squalor, others chose a more civilized setting with like-minded neighbors with a common interest in protecting property values.
I have lived in both settings, I will take a reasonably regulated HOA over unreasonable, unregulated neighbors every time.
YMMV.
 

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I have lived in an HOA for 30 years. I was very gun shy about the entire thing. I wanted the by-laws before purchase but other things in life happened so fast that they were trivial. So I bought.
My HOA only has control over the common areas for upkeep and and upgrades which is two Tot Lots, bball court, tennis court, 2 retention basins.
  • First 5 years barely any presence, dues ($100/yr) collected only a few times.
  • One of the basins was never cut/maintained, it clogged, turned into a **** hole due to overgrowth and bottles/cans
  • Myself and others took over and fixed up the the basin. We became the new board. Raised dues to $200/yr and collected every year.
  • For the next 5 yrs, I sat on the board and got several maintenance things fixed - either by myself or wrote scope of work for contractor.
  • People left, I became president. I kept doing the same stuff....eventually things went to auto-pilot/maintenance mode only.
  • For the past 25 yrs, I have had people complaint about paying, some want club med, others want the stuff removed so there is "no costs" to pay for.
  • The best one is, "Give all of the common area land to the town, get rid of the HOA." I doubt the town wants any more to take care of. Also think of all the cars/people who would be using the fields on week nights and weekends. (Who want to live next to that, especially if when you purchased it was supposed to be crickets and grasshoppers forever.)
  • During this time, people have complained about one house or another, running a business out of it, employee cars parted on street, foreclosed house with grass too high and rabbits mice running about, a big garage outbuilding, someone running a 2nd hand toy/clothing business..... I tell them all, "our by-laws have nothing to do with individual properties, not my job or concern. Call township zoning and complain. Why don't you go directly to the offending house and state your *****? Oh, not me, that's your job. Wrong! Not within my "jurisdiction". Secondly, I will not be an HOA Karen or Ken. FDAT. How about you go read the bylaws? You have no idea what you are talking about. How long have you lived here?
  • So the thankless job continues. (You are probably asking then why are you doing this? One answer = GFQ. The second answer, I don't trust others based on the stupidity of some members who could one day attempt to be a GIANT PIA if they got on the Board.)
The best answer i can give overall is, people don't know their rights and some people don't know there boundaries. Sometimes stupid looses. Other times, crafty people pull sh*t that shouldn't be allowed and they need to be *****-slapped into submission. Member voting is usually required, and in my case, it requires 75% approval 90/120. And it is only for the common areas, NOT individual property constraints. The only constraint on their property is that it is 1/120th liable/responsible for the common areas....nothing further. The Board is to manage that responsibility.
Again, dumb people can spin crazy stuff and the dumber ones, let them get away with it. I love watching Youtube vids, but I know 1/2 of them are BS. (only 1/2!)

Know the By-laws before you buy. Stick up for yourself within those limits.

(Sorry, rant over.)
 

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. Categorizing these governing documents as "Over reach and nanny state nonsense" is disingenuous at best.


Again, my statements were not in response to HOA issues, but to the support of a state law dictating such behavior.

I fully support those who want to live in an HOA. You are completely correct in the belief that different people have different priorities when it comes to home ownership HOAs and deed restricted developments offer those choices.

I think living in that sort of environment would be hell….for me…but I support the choice to do so without fail. I do not, however, condone the weaponization of local authorities to force similar conditions on those outside of such developments.
 

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I didn’t say it affected me.

You must be a treat to live next to, you sound like a bitter person.

Back to ignore I guess.


I’m hardly bitter, I just can’t cotton to busy bodies and people trying to dictate how others live their lives.

As for being my neighbor, I get along very well with my entire neighborhood. What they do doesn’t bother me, and if my actions bother them, they haven’t mentioned it….and they would have ample chance to over a beer, or a burger, or while borrowing tools or sharing shop space.
 

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I take good care of my home and yard. When those cars on lawns makes my neighborhood look like a used car lot, then I'm concerned. How far do you let things slide? We're talking suburban residential neighborhood, not out in the country with big acreage.
But the State law states "residentially used lot or parcel of land" (copy/paste from your post). It doesn't state "only in suburban residential neighborhoods". Example: my 49 acres is zoned residential, as is much of the surrounding acreage, yet I'm nowhere near a suburban residential neighborhood. I have no neighbors within 500 yards, and the only way anyone could ever see my front yard is by flying overhead or driving down a 3/4 mile gravel road. That law, per the language posted at least, doesn't care.
 

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I lived in an HOA many years ago. It was minimal fee and they maintained common ground. The whole concept was new to me at the time. I parked an unlicensed utility trailer (came from a state where it didn't need to be licensed and never got around to registering it until I moved to another state) beside my garage and never got any grief about it but it wasn't very obvious. I know of one city here that has strict rules about what can be parked on the street overnight but no restrictions on what could be parked in a driveway (even outside a garage). Seems kind of silly and arbitrary but it's all an effort to keep the area looking good. I can understand that but where to draw the line? We have chosen to avoid HOAs but that seems to be harder to do. Road easements can be a similar issue. It's all great as long as everyone is reasonable and gets along. But any of these situations can be most unpleasant if not.
 

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Here in crazy CA, our governor signed AB 130 into law in June of this year. It limits HOA fines to $100 for a violation unless it is deemed a safety issue -think failing to cut down weeds at the beginning of the fire season. In that situation, they can fine whatever they want. But for normal stuff, $100 is it. Our HOA just acknowledged that at the last Board meeting one week ago and then said, well, this law is "in flux". I asked, "Is it the law as of today"? The HOA president, after a few seconds, said, "Yes, it is". Our HOA Board is a group of ***-clowns on power trips to make everyone miserable.
 

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Our HOA Board is a group of ***-clowns on power trips to make everyone miserable.
We had this happen once. Someone ran, he seemed like a nice guy, smart, had the time, etc. He took our HOA board on a power trip. Started pushing every limit he could. Our board was only three people, and they didn't seem inclined to do much to rein him in. It started to create some divisions within the condo.

Residents became unhappy. We did a few things: We made it clear we didn't like the path he was taking us on. There were enough of us (around 50%) that he realized he was not loved. He ended up resigning, and moving out of our building. It's taken 2-3 years for the ill-will he created to dissipate. We also changed the board size to five. And added in some language to cover a few of the things he'd done, that we decided we wanted owner approval for.

It's YOUR HOA.
 

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Anecdotal stories almost always prove to be wildly exaggerated.
Thanks to youtube, tiktok and other social media, where clickbait sensationalized fictional anti-HOA revenge clips proliferate...
"The HOA deliberately built their clubhouse on my farm, but didn't know I owned all their roads" 🙄

I venture to say that 99% of those raging against HOA's "infringing on their god-given rights" have never lived in an HOA governed community... And are probably the reason why so many others choose to do so.
 

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I had posted earlier about our coastal cottage HOA being a little bit of a problem compared to every other HOA we have ever belonged to. Well, since I posted that, a new board got elected and just like last time there was a board change 2 or 3 years ago, we got hit with a compliance notification. Two problems - one minor assholery - debris from storm had caused some limbs and stuff to fall in our yard . One Medium - our driveway was too dirty. That one made me a bit mad because I drove around the neighborhood and noticed quite a few of us that live on the marsh side flood zone had stained driveways (marsh rises with a combo king tide and big storm and driveway gets about an inch of dirty marsh water that when it recedes and dries, it leaves dark stains).

I made the usual comments about HOA over stepping but realized that our driveway was dirty and I knew when I bought the house that we had to deal with an HOA. But we had another problem - a previous owner had painted the driveway and if I pressure washed it, parts of the paint would chip off (there was evidence of that in one area from prior owner) and not look so good. That meant the only way to clean it would be scrubbing and using some safe biodegradable cleaners and gently cleaning.

Trivial Spanish Moss debris in yard and some weeds in the island (get a life, people):
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Filthy driveway (and some more weeds):
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So, while I scrubbed, my wife pulled the weeds, removed the limbs and after a few days of work, we made it right. Really sucked. I did feel better that while doing the work, I heard 3 pressure washers being run down the street and saw a bunch of trucks with professional crews to clean driveways drive down the street. Then, I felt a lot better when a neighbor stopped to chat and told me that she had also been written up in this recent round of enforcement for multiple infractions. Seems like every few years, they go on a rampage, write up dozens of houses, get complaints, lighten up enforcement and then next time an all new board gets elected, the cycle continues.

Looked good when done but damn, I want those 15+ hours back (too cheap to pay someone, nor do I trust them to not tear up the paint on the driveway which would then cost us a lot more money to re-do).

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Does this **** and make me pissed to belong to an HOA - yes. But enough to move - no. When we bought this house, we initially did our searches specifically eliminate any HOA neighborhoods and could not find a nice coastal house with the right surroundings (marsh, beach, or other waterfront was a requirement). Our real estate agent knew all the HOAs and which were worse than others, we got one of the good ones.

Things I like about the HOA - the architectural standards for home construction. You drive through the neighborhood and every house is different. All designs and materials are appropriate for the coastal feel and Georgia. I like the gates at south and north entrance/exits of the neighborhood. People can not cut through to get to the Marina. The only non-residents on the road are contractors and golfers going to the golf club (requires tee time to come in).

Things I dislike - the definition of not keeping the house up. Yes, our driveway wasn't pristine, yes there was some limbs with Spanish Moss in the yard but come on, not that bad.
 

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Thanks to youtube, tiktok and other social media, where clickbait sensationalized fictional anti-HOA revenge clips proliferate...
"The HOA deliberately built their clubhouse on my farm, but didn't know I owned all their roads" 🙄

I venture to say that 99% of those raging against HOA's "infringing on their god-given rights" have never lived in an HOA governed community... And are probably the reason why so many others choose to do so.
They make entertaining reading but some of the **** they write would hit the national news if it really happened.
 
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