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Farmall 1066

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Got a chance to buy a Hobart AirForce 250 plasma cutter for $250. This not a 250A or 250CI machine. Can anyone explain the differences?

I realize this is a light duty unit, but would work fine for sheet metal, I believe.
Anything heavier, and I have other means of cutting.

Are consumables proprietary? Easily obtained?
 
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For sheetmetal, grab it. I have the bigger 700-something, and it uses the same consumables as Miller.
 

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On second though, isnt the 250 one of the very first models?

If so, it takes different consumables. Like $50 per package online.

I had one. Never used it, wasn't willing to pay that much for consumables.
 
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If the internal compressor craps out, you're out of luck. Fortunately being self contained and 110V you'll be able to test it out easily.
 

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What would keep someone from plumbing the plasma so you could hook up a outside air source? They have quick disconnect fittings on the tubing from the built in air compressor.
 

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They are pretty small. Maybe even fussier or more marginal than a 120V wire feeder although I don't have a lot of experience with them. The 375 class is a much better unit and has a little more punch making it 2x as useful. The 625-700 are fairly respectable and would do most steel jobs this crowd would encounter.
 
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I am more familiar with the mig models but that may be early, it may be bullet proof or not, couldn't tell.

I am going to ramble a little here. For some tools the quality is good enough and the cost low enough it makes them a worthy risk. I really don't have comparative experience in cheap mig or plasma but it is interesting to wonder where the price/power/useful curve cross somewhere in the white box version with one of the off brands.
By some reliable accounts some of the cheap clones in Tig/stick machines work.
I tried the very bottom of the line I paid 100 for on super sale and its not the same as my Maxstar. This doesn't consider the longevity but it cant do it and the Max does it perfect.
I suspect there is a 250$ -300$ one in a China , that green one maybe that does the same thing.
The hobby market has helped this competition. Welding machines have always made both ends money, the maker and the user. They made some profits but the stuff last forever and worked good, const5ant innovation was good without robbing the customer and you could always buy a real brand name by the innovators and the proven (hence long warranty) for less than a rebrand carried by other vendors.
It cost a few more,,, and not obscene, but some more to own the best they make. The margins were small, so for 300 more why would I consider something less???
Then came features, they came about to allow for price increases. In recent times welders have stayed low,,,,, you can buy some of the same models today for the same $. When they came out were 625$ and not much more than that today. About 25 yrs or so before a price increase which has mostly been feature driven,,, hence the 211 etc. You can buy a base model single V for 700 or less brand name today.
So,,,,,, this became a brand name decision, price was about the same as were features and power. What the 200 class mig has done is kept the cost to a 900$ decision that is adequate, some what marginal but it does real work and anything on a car or light truck and hobby garage, this has kept the price in the next class suppressed in an effort to upsell.
It has become more affordable, I remember buying a few my first machines. Got the wrong ones first... ha
 

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Welding equipment is often worth the wait and to tune up the savings a bit before shopping. The 250 might be better saved for a machine up a class and in the modern world are not talking about a fortune to spend for a new model. I think for a grand,maybe for 1500 can buy a worthy world class machine and some imports for half that or so.
You really use it a bit for maint work and the return comes back fast. I solve a huge amount of my problems with a welder and a torch. Returns it to service or modify with minor cost is huge and after about 3 months will kick yourself for not buying sooner and will forget the cost.
I wouldn't buy the smallest and cheapest models of any of the welding equipment. I hear the EZ Hobart works but for 2x its price you can get the real deal with all the options.
 
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