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I was just wondering where people would suggest a beginner like me to buy decent hand tools with out breaking the bank? Any brands in specific over others and why? PS I am interested in auto repair, home maintenance, and appliance repair. Thanks
 
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Dive in and read a lot of threads. This is a place that loves tools, really nice ones, really cheap ones, what is going to best suit you we can't guess.

My own preference is good quality used tools, and Craftsman when its on a real sale.
 

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I agree, quality used tools are best. Check out the classifieds here and eBay.
 

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My own preference is good quality used tools, and Craftsman when its on a real sale.

+1 ! Sears usually has some good deals before Father's Day and Christmas.

Start small. 1/4 sockets, SAE and metric. Get a couple of extensions, a universal a breaker bar and a "screwdriver" handle. IMHO, you do not need any 1/4" deep sockets. You will be amazed at how much around the house this will cover !

Next 3/8". This will cover most everything on cars and outdoor equipment except suspension work. You will need SAE and metric, standard and deep. Again, extensions, universal, standard and flex head ratchet.

The average homeowner will never need 1/2" sockets.

Without starting a religious war, I only have 6 point sockets.

Over time you will amass a collection of pliers (standard, several "arc joint"/Channelocks, locking/ViceGrips, needle nose, wire cutter/"dykes" and linesman pliers)

Buy at least one magnetic screwdriver with interchangeable bits. Don't waste you money on individual Torx screwdrivers.
 

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IMHO, you do not need any 1/4" deep sockets.

Why? I've found many situations where 1/4" deep has been the only thing to use. Sometimes I use deep sockets as short extensions where you can't reach with a shallow and the shortest of extensions but a shallow itself won't work either.
 

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I was just wondering where people would suggest a beginner like me to buy decent hand tools

The "where" is online at Amazon, Tooltopia, Ebay, CL, etc, etc, etc.

I think the days of being able to buy decent tools in B&M stores is over. Sears is an overpriced Chinese smorgasboard and HF is mostly junk and just too hard/risky to find anything decent. (you can try the HF pass/fail thread)

Garage sales can be excellent if you have the time, patience and desire!!

A homeowner's needs span many different categories:
- Auto repair
- Carpentry
- Plumbing
- HVAC
- Appliance repair
- Woodworking
- Machining
- Electrical
- Gardening
- Painting
 

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i think for 'round the house type repairs, oil changes, sparkplug on the lawn mower, ect ect

and being able to "touch& feel" before buying

kobalt ratchets and sockets would be hard to beat.

kobalt wrenches seem to be nice for the price.

channellock for pliers

klien or stanley screwdrivers

seems like most of the big box stores sell name brand hammers, prybars, clamps, drill bits, ect

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One piece of advice I might give you is to squirrel away money every month for tools. If you need to justify it, having the tools allows you to fix things yourself...you'd otherwise spend that same money paying someone else to do it. Second, buy quality tools. That means a lot of reading of pointless debates on here, but after a while some patterns will emerge and based on your buying criteria, you'll find a good fit. I use the word pointless mostly because the debates end in the same place not because they are completely devoid of value...although partially wouldn't be an overstatement! :) In the end, a quality tool will last and won't fail at a horribly inconvenient time. Both are worth the expense despite the upfront cost (that doesn't mean you have to drink the kool aid, there are lots of options at different price points). Third, buy some basics to get you started, and then focus on the tools you need for the project at hand. As Davefr mentioned, there is a lot of different stuff that can require a broad range of tools. It'll take some time to acquire it, let your projects dictate where you start.

On to some specifics. I mention these as a starting point as I think they are a justifiably good value. I've kept it simple by mentioning one brand for most. Obviously the reality is there are many good brands and preferences and budgets come into play.

Cutters - Klein or Knipex
Slip Joint pliers - Snap On (worth the extra $ imho)
Needlenose and "Channellocks" - Channellock
Sockets, extensions - Sears, Lowes (Kobalt) or Gearwrench
Impact sockets - Harbor Freight or Sears on sale
Ratchets - Gearwrench
Screwdrivers - Wiha (particularly the MicroFinish Heavy Duty)
Vice Grips - Grip On
Wrenches (ratcheting and others) - Gearwrench
Jack - Arcan from Costco
Jackstands - HF
Allen wrenches - Wiha
Bit sockets - Sears, but for torx might be worth it to spend $$ on some good ones (Snap On gold bits)
Torque Wrench - 1/2" for wheels from HF. For anything else I go to Precision Instruments.
Prybars - Sears (pro or regular, your choice)
Have fun!
 
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let me give you some advice: I pinch pennies harder than anyone I know. When I first started my tool collection I got a lot of cheap ****. As I get older, and have to replace the **** I bought when I was younger, I realize that sometimes the most cost effective thing is to buy quality tools, even though they're more expensive on the front end, and you'll save money in the long run not having to replace cheap with mid-grade, then mid-grade with professional quality. I would rather buy just a few good tools, and get more later, then buy a whole setup of cheap tools that I'm going to have to replace.

Some things you can cheap out on, some you can't. Buy as good of a ratchet as you can afford. SO, Armstrong MAXX, proto, SK, etc. You don't want to earn a hospital bill because you sliced your hand open because your cheap ratchet broke loose on you when working on a tough fastener. Buy good prybars...you don't want to be putting your weight on something that'll fold on you and hurt yourself. See a pattern here? Spend your money on tools where it'll keep you safe and cost you more money if you were to have to go to the hospital than you would if you had bought a quality tool. These are just two examples. FWIW, I agree with RKA's bran listing for the most part
 

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Buy the highest quality you can afford. It pays dividends later. I started with Craftsman over 10 years ago when I started buying my own tools, and have expanded to SK, Knipex, Snap-on, and a few other high end brands. Also realize that there are high quality tools to be had cheap, but such deals are hit & miss. There are plenty of great tools at Harbor Freight, but make sure to read up on reviews here and elsewhere first before purchasing.
 
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Buy a blue point 1/4 and 3/8 set in the plastic case. Get the Williams usa wrench sets and you will really have a great start that will last you a life time.
 

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I was just wondering where people would suggest a beginner like me to buy decent hand tools with out breaking the bank? Any brands in specific over others and why? PS I am interested in auto repair, home maintenance, and appliance repair. Thanks

Okay, here goes...I don't know exactly what you do or do not have...I am on a beer budget so if you're going that route...

I pilfered the list from RKA (thanks!)

On a lot of hand tools, you can get the Kobalt version from Lowes...if you watch carefully they almost always have sales where they bring the whole kit down to $9.99. At worst they get down to $14.99 on "clearance".

5 pc. set for $29.99 regular price.

http://www.lowes.com/pd_253677-1687...et&pl=1&currentURL=?Ntt=Kobalt+set&facetInfo=

Are they Knipex or Klein? No, but I have yet to break one, and I've been using them since they were the original blue and yellow handled versions. I have some of the new version too, and they haven't given me any problems yet.

Just to put some monetary valus on things...that kit retails at $29.99 and a pair of Knipex 6 inch diagonal cutters are $24.99. For $5 you get 4 additional tools. Again, watch for the sale.

Cutters - Kobalt (part of a kit)
Slip Joint pliers - Kobalt (part of a kit)
Needle nose - Kobalt (part of a kit)
and "Channellocks" - Kobalt (part of a kit)
Sockets, extensions - Craftsman, Kobalt or Gearwrench
Impact sockets -
Ratchets - Kobalt 72 tooth full polish (spend the extra on this, breaking a ratchet ***** when it's your hand that gets smashed). I've got a Titan I am more than pleased with.
Screwdrivers - Craftsman Professional (relabeled SK softgrips)
Vice Grips - Irwin Vice Grips or Kobalt
Wrenches (ratcheting) - Gearwrench
Wrenches (standard) - Craftsman
Jack -
Jackstands - HF
Allen wrenches -
Bit sockets - Craftsman or Stanley
Torque Wrench - 1/2" for wheels from HF
 

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let me give you some advice: I pinch pennies harder than anyone I know. When I first started my tool collection I got a lot of cheap ****. As I get older, and have to replace the **** I bought when I was younger, I realize that sometimes the most cost effective thing is to buy quality tools, even though they're more expensive on the front end, and you'll save money in the long run not having to replace cheap with mid-grade, then mid-grade with professional quality. I would rather buy just a few good tools, and get more later, then buy a whole setup of cheap tools that I'm going to have to replace.

Totally agree...but I will say...experience teaches you what not to do. :) So these days...right around the time I say to myself "I'm gonna hurt something if...", something gives and I'm screaming a bag of curse words. That's better than 10 years ago, where it was just the bag of curse words. Anyway, some good sense isn't a replacement for quality tools that you know you'll be leaning into, and the quality tools aren't a replacement for some good sense. You can buy one, you're on your own for the other. :)

BTW, thanks for the reminder...I knew I was missing something...prybars...doh! Added!
 

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Are they Knipex or Klein? No, but I have yet to break one, and I've been using them since they were the original blue and yellow handled versions. I have some of the new version too, and they haven't given me any problems yet.

Just to put some monetary valus on things...that kit retails at $29.99 and a pair of Knipex 6 inch diagonal cutters are $24.99. For $5 you get 4 additional tools. Again, watch for the sale.

I think the devil is in the details here. I'll apologize up front for picking on you (that is not the intent), however, this struck me as a particularly good example. The cutters and needlehose are only 6". With the cutters I'd go with an 8" for leverage. The needlenose I would get longer first (for reach), and later get something smaller if I needed it, but I could live with a 6" if I had to. The slip joints are small at 6" (again, I'd look for 7-8"), but in my experience, this is where 99% of the box stores fail. They just don't have good teeth on them and slip far too easily. Here I've learned after buying the budget stuff (boo to my craftsman pros), that it's worth a few bucks more because I'm often grabbing something that has no tooling for anything else in my box to bite. Finally there are the channellocks, which 9 times out of 10 you need for leverage (on the car). Bigger is better, and 10-12" should do, but 8" is of questionable value and the jaw might not open far enough for a number of household.

That's not to say boxed sets aren't a good value, but you have to look at what you're getting. Most time, from a box store, these sets are built to meet a price point. They aren't built for utility, so they will leave something to be desired there. If you're buying another good set of set of slip joints and channellocks in a year, you see where that leaves you. Then again, if I had my way, I'd get the channellocks, needlehose and slip joints first at roughly $70 (new) and put off the purchase of the other two until something specific calls for them. If I still wanted to save money, I'd look at used channellocks and needlenoses, but I'd still get those slip joints new or almost new because those teeth can wear with use.

Anyway, even though I'm coming from a perspective of "buy once and buy right" (which may not agree with you), the point is you should look at what you're getting in the boxed sets and how functional they are for your purposes. And that can be hard to judge if you haven't worked with the tools, but a good rule of thumb is to glance at the offerings the stores carry from Klein, Greenlee, Knipex, and Channellock. If their cutters are 8", there is probably a good reason for it. If their channellocks start at 10" and not 8", that should raise an eyebrow.
 

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I think the devil is in the details here. I'll apologize up front for picking on you (that is not the intent), however, this struck me as a particularly good example. The cutters and needlehose are only 6". With the cutters I'd go with an 8" for leverage. The needlenose I would get longer first (for reach), and later get something smaller if I needed it, but I could live with a 6" if I had to. The slip joints are small at 6" (again, I'd look for 7-8"), but in my experience, this is where 99% of the box stores fail. They just don't have good teeth on them and slip far too easily. Here I've learned after buying the budget stuff (boo to my craftsman pros), that it's worth a few bucks more because I'm often grabbing something that has no tooling for anything else in my box to bite. Finally there are the channellocks, which 9 times out of 10 you need for leverage (on the car). Bigger is better, and 10-12" should do, but 8" is of questionable value and the jaw might not open far enough for a number of household.

That's not to say boxed sets aren't a good value, but you have to look at what you're getting. Most time, from a box store, these sets are built to meet a price point. They aren't built for utility, so they will leave something to be desired there. If you're buying another good set of set of slip joints and channellocks in a year, you see where that leaves you. Then again, if I had my way, I'd get the channellocks, needlehose and slip joints first at roughly $70 (new) and put off the purchase of the other two until something specific calls for them. If I still wanted to save money, I'd look at used channellocks and needlenoses, but I'd still get those slip joints new or almost new because those teeth can wear with use.

Anyway, even though I'm coming from a perspective of "buy once and buy right" (which may not agree with you), the point is you should look at what you're getting in the boxed sets and how functional they are for your purposes. And that can be hard to judge if you haven't worked with the tools, but a good rule of thumb is to glance at the offerings the stores carry from Klein, Greenlee, Knipex, and Channellock. If their cutters are 8", there is probably a good reason for it. If their channellocks start at 10" and not 8", that should raise an eyebrow.

I agree, the devil is in the details, and I don't take your response as picking on me in any way shape or form. I hope my counterpoint is taken the same way. That was an example of a tool kit, and I compared it to a 6" Knipex cutter. For the record Knipez also makes a 4 1/4 cutter.

http://www.homedepot.com/KNIPEX/KNI...Id=10053&langId=-1&storeId=10051#.URG7hHy9KSM

I even agree with most of what you say about the sizes of tools too. That said, I use my 6" cutters way more than my 8" and I have both. A whole lot depends on what you are doing. I completely agree about the 8" needlenose, the reach is very important, and if I had to choose to keep only one pair it'd be the 8". I also use my vise grips more than anything else, and for things that a slip joint or channel lock would do just fine. In fact, there's very little I use a slip joint plier for at this point, though I do own both a 6" and 8".

http://www.homedepot.com/KNIPEX/KNI...Id=10053&langId=-1&storeId=10051#.URG1NHy9KSM

What I have to ask is this, are you a beginning guy just starting, a seasoned DIY guy, or a guy who works in one of the trades. My guess is at worst you're a seasoned DIY'er but most likely a professional. I am mostly a DIY person, but have done some contract jobs on the side (both auto and construction), both for individuals and for companies. I consider myself better than most DIY people, but not in the class of a skilled tradesman. My day job I sit behind a desk.

The point being, if the teeth start wearing out on your 8" needlenose, you can go to the local Lowes and have them replaced. They aren't going to all wear off on one job, and if you do see some wear starting, get them replaced. I've used mine for over 10 years without any issues. I have yet to break one. I also have some hand me down Klein needlenose that need replaced for the exact reason you mentioned. My suspicion is they're about thirty years old. From what I can tell they've been well used and held up well.

I picked up this set below for $9.99, hard to go wrong with a lifetime warranty tool for that price.

http://www.lowes.com/pd_284370-16878-50886_0__?Ntt=284370&UserSearch=284370&productId=1240723&rpp=32

If you want the same thing in channellock the 10" is $15.98 (they also make a 6 1/2 channellock)

I have the craftsman raised panel combo wrenches and they have taken a beating from me. When I replace calipers on a car, I usually put the wrench on the bolt and beat it with a 3lb mini sledge to break them free. I live in the rust belt, so...To this day I have never rounded a bolt, or damaged the wrench. There are some people here who think they're junk. To me they fall in the buy it once catagory. The Snap On crowd would disagree.

And don't get me wrong, I do buy some "good" tools. I have a very good collection of power tools. Almost all of my power tools consist of DeWalt, Milwaukee, Makita and my Porter Cable contractors saw.

The point? You can buy some good tools that won't break the bank, and for most DIY people will last a lifetime. The added bonus? If they don't last that long, you can drive down the street for a replacement.
 
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Working mostly on your own house, as in doing a lot of different jobs ONCE, HF is your friend. Lots of stuff is junk, you need to learn how to spot poor quality, but the variety of cheap special tools is large enough to make it a worthwhile first look.
 

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Buy high quality for those tools that you think you 'll be using on a continuous basis. Some tools get better in quality and get lower in price as time goes on. My Makita power miter box is going strong 30+ years later,but newer ones are comopound and have more features. I would have loved to have a Fein oscillating tool, but the harbor freight version is but a fraction of the cost.

I plan a tool purchase to coincide with a project. When I did hardwood flooring,I bought the floor nailer. Much less than the multiple rentals.
 

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For certain tools I prefer a particular brand. Example for hammers Estwing is hard to go wrong. Pliers, I prefer Knipex and Channel-locks. Power tools Makita, Bosch, and Hitachi. You get the idea. Good luck!
 

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I wondered if anyone was going to mention hammers. Yes on the Estwings for claw hammers, they are great. Vaughn also has great clawhammers and also ball pein hammers, it has been mentioned on her that they make hammers for some tool trucks.
Sears has a great line of hammers, they may be made by Vaughn.

I reccomend a 16 oz claw hammer, a 16 oz ball pein, and a 24 oz ball pein. At some point you may want a 6 pound sledge hammer.

KEH
 

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I wondered if anyone was going to mention hammers. Yes on the Estwings for claw hammers, they are great. Vaughn also has great clawhammers and also ball pein hammers, it has been mentioned on her that they make hammers for some tool trucks.
Sears has a great line of hammers, they may be made by Vaughn.

I reccomend a 16 oz claw hammer, a 16 oz ball pein, and a 24 oz ball pein. At some point you may want a 6 pound sledge hammer.

KEH

Yep, gotta love Estwings. They have a nice balance and swing great. I'd let your size and strength dictate the weight of your hammer. I am pretty big guy, so a 20oz. worked for me. They're a little hard to locate, but I like it.

I also recommend a 3lb mini sledge. Great for spaces (see brake caliper removal) when getting something bigger in there is going to be pretty difficult.
 

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Beware of Amazon and Grainger prices. Grainger's website is good for locating what you want, but then check prices somewhere else.

Cordless tools can't be recharged forever and are much more expensive than corded, so be sure you'll need them before buying them. I'm not sure exactly how long they're supposed to last, but consider yourself lucky if they last 10 years. I should have sold mine years ago when the batteries were still good.

That's about all I know about tools, but if you need a step ladder, Werner and Louisville Ladders are probably the best and they're cheaper than many of the ladders/stools with the deep steps that support your entire foot.
 
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