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gary78bronco

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First time home builder, Just looking for any help from you guys.
Any help will be very appreciated.
Looking for ideas, anything you guys learned during your home building process.

Thanks,
 
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soapii

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Gary I doubt you are going to get much response here since your question is VERY vague. If you need some specific pointers just ask.

--Joe
 

ford33

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Yes, too vague. Are you building the home or having a home built for you. We are most interested in your workshop or garage. I don't have much advice about kitchens and baths.
 

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Don't know anything about buying/ building in a development ...

I learned over the years that having the proper architect is more important than one thinks ..... Paying for a great builder saves in the long run.

They both need to be familiar with the type/ style and size of house -- You don't want to be the first.
 
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Make sure that you buy a vented (to the outside) hood over the stove, and make surethat the drawer next to the oven will open after the oven is installed.
 

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1. Put steps in from your garage to your basement. I love mine.
2. Put outlets in your kitchen cabinets for cell phones, and outlets in bath vanity cabinets for electric toothbrushes, electric razor etc. Keeps your countertops clean.
3. See if in your climate a heat pump makes sense.
4. Put lots of outlets in the garage say 6ft on center. And lots of overhead lighting. Most builders will give you 1 light at best.
5. Put a solid core door in your laundry room to kill the sound
6. If you plan to finish the basement I highly recommend radiant floor heat
7. When i build again I will use structural insulated sheathing instead of OSB. With OSB you have no insulation where the studs meet the OSB. Structural insulated sheathing will give you at least an R-5 where your studs go. Oh and if you have the funds do closed cell foam insulation instead of fiberglass.
8. Install liftmaster jackshaft garage door openers instead of conventional and have the garage door tracks installed tight to the ceiling giving clearance later for a lift.
9. Insulate the garage walls and ceiling and have a gas line installed for a heater.
10. Consider attic trusses over the garage to allow for storage and have osb installed while being framed (much easier to do it then than later)

I could go on and on I've built a few hundred homes over the last 15 years. If you have any questions feel free to message me.
 

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1. Put steps in from your garage to your basement. I love mine.
2. Put outlets in your kitchen cabinets for cell phones, and outlets in bath vanity cabinets for electric toothbrushes, electric razor etc. Keeps your countertops clean.
3. See if in your climate a heat pump makes sense.
4. Put lots of outlets in the garage say 6ft on center. And lots of overhead lighting. Most builders will give you 1 light at best.
5. Put a solid core door in your laundry room to kill the sound
6. If you plan to finish the basement I highly recommend radiant floor heat
7. When i build again I will use structural insulated sheathing instead of OSB. With OSB you have no insulation where the studs meet the OSB. Structural insulated sheathing will give you at least an R-5 where your studs go. Oh and if you have the funds do closed cell foam insulation instead of fiberglass.
8. Install liftmaster jackshaft garage door openers instead of conventional and have the garage door tracks installed tight to the ceiling giving clearance later for a lift.
9. Insulate the garage walls and ceiling and have a gas line installed for a heater.
10. Consider attic trusses over the garage to allow for storage and have osb installed while being framed (much easier to do it then than later)

I could go on and on I've built a few hundred homes over the last 15 years. If you have any questions feel free to message me.

Listen to this man. He has some good pointers, and is one of the few people on GJ that knows the difference between then and than and how to use those words properly. :evil:
 

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The most important thing for a custom home:

Take your construction estimate once your plans are done and double it. This is what you will actually pay.
 

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OP,
You need to tell us a LOT more first.

Define the project and we can give specific answers and suggestions.

And there are a ton of threads on this forum for you to read.
 

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The most important thing for a custom home:

Take your construction estimate once your plans are done and double it. This is what you will actually pay.

The only reason a custom house should cost double is if the homeowner goes crazy adding stuff, or if major extra work is needed during excavation that the builder didn't anticipate.

I had a custom home built in 2001. I owned the lot outright and took out a $190,000 construction loan. The cost of building the house came in right at $190,000 at the end even with some extras like $2,000 for soil borings. I did pay cash for a standby generator.
 
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little d

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Gary,
I'm gona presume you are talking about being your own GC.

You have already started off in the right direction by not thinking you know more then you do, good for you.

I won't go into put in this, don't put in this, if you have done your homework, you should already have all of that locked down already.

The best advice I can give you is "cheep isn't always cheep". If you are not a tradesman, start asking around who is the best at certain trades; framers, electricians, plumbers, etc... These guys will be busy so don't **** around, lock them in as soon as you can and if they suggest something, listen to them, they should be the best in the trade and have been there, done that as they say and in the long run, you will come out better then settling on sub-par quality/ craftsman ship.
 

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The only reason a custom house should cost double is if the homeowner goes crazy adding stuff, or if major extra work is needed during excavation that the builder didn't anticipate.

I had a custom home built in 2001. I owned the lot outright and took out a $190,000 construction loan. The cost of building the house came in right at $190,000 at the end even with some extras like $2,000 for soil borings. I did pay cash for a standby generator.


Custom is relative ....
 

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The only reason a custom house should cost double is if the homeowner goes crazy adding stuff, or if major extra work is needed during excavation that the builder didn't anticipate.

I've custom built also. I think wssix99's comment was elated, but in the big scheme he was trying to make a valid point.

Obviously the price shouldn't double -- but if you max budget is $200k, then you should set a lower target price and leave the rest as a contingency fund to use for unexpected discoveries (rock excavation, etc) or upgrades you failed to mention upfront or learned about since then. About 5-10% of the target price is common for most people. Using that theory and a $200k max budget, I'd set a target build price of $180-190k and leave the rest for contingencies.

It's smarter and better to use less money than your initial max budget vs scrambling at the last minute to secure more financing and/or deplete your personal cash reserves.

Having been in construction management my entire life, I really cannot stress the importance of a solid contract. Like it or not, two people from the same conversation can (and does) walk away with different interpretations of what is expected of each other. Putting all that in writing makes it crystal clear. I'd also suggest some sort of a performance clause and legal voodoo to protect yourself in the event the builder oversells and under delivers. Remember, we all see the good guy upfront when they are selling themselves. The nasty guy comes out later.

Having a detailed set of plans and specifications for things you want are important as well. I'm a guy that is all about the "bones" of the house, so things like a post-tensioned slab, better quality lumber, more insulation, oversized electrical panels, etc is important to me. The stuff most homeowners are wowed by like big crown moulding, wood floors, etc can be added/upgraded later IMO. The bones aren't easy to change.

That being said, we are all human and want nice things. Decide what upgrades are important to you in the beginning and prioritize them. If you are married, have your spouse do the same list. Then discuss them and make a combined list that you can both agree upon. Building in general is very stressful as it's a huge event for the average Joe, and can cause stress on a marriage. Being as clear and in agreement with each other beforehand may save your marriage. I've known people that building a house literally started the process to their divorce because they underestimated this simple but important step.

If you are custom building, a strong architect makes a big difference. I've built 3 homes, one of which I did the design myself. I wasn't in a hurry and had the luxury of using AutoCAD to my own designs. All said and done I spent about 1.5+ years looking and designing. I think I logged 25+ revisions to the original drawings before I had something I wanted to talk to a builder about. It was a labor of love for me, as I enjoy that process but some people don't think about it that much. Also, in my case I had a spouse that couldn't see anything in real life by looking at plans so walking through model homes and taking a tape measure and letting them "feel" a room of similar size, ceiling type, etc was critical.

Once you are ready to find a builder, interview several different ones. Ask for a list of homes they are in the process of building. I like to look at different stages so I know what to expect at all levels. Take references with a grain of salt. They typically won't give you a name & number that won't talk good about them. If you are lucky enough to walk through a site that is in-progress and catch that homeowner there, I found their opinions more honest and not so "bubbly". Overall, I expect some speed bumps with a builder. It's unrealistic to think it'll be picture perfect. The difference is how a builder handles the speed bumps.
 

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Custom is relative ....

In my case the house plan was drawn up from scratch to match my very narrow long lot. If my house wasn't custom then I guess I have no idea what a custom house is then. I gave the draftsman a list of what I wanted and the house was designed around that. I needed city approval due to the narrow lot and gave up a few things I really wanted as the city wanted the house a little smaller.

The original contract was for $170,000 and my loan was for $190,000. About $5,000 of the contingency got used to cover some site issues and the other $15,000 went for upgraded finishes. ($190,000 did not include the lot.)
 
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Looking for ideas, anything you guys learned during your home building process.

There's nothing vague about this question.

To add to what others have offered:

1) Get everything in writing. No verbal contracts - period.

2) Document every part of the building construction with the intent to have a set of "as built" plans. Changes made during construction are often not documented.

3) Take plenty of photographs all along the way, especially just before sheetrock is installed. It's helpful later to be able to see exactly where plumbing, wiring, ducts, etc are hidden inside walls.

4) Think about little things like speaker locations. It's easier to run speaker wire when the walls are open during construction.

5) Install more than code minimum insulation. It's generally a lot cheaper to add additional insulation during the construction process.

6) Air seal your home so tight that it will require mechanical ventilation to be brought into the HVAC system. This way you control the quantity and quality of the air infiltrating your home.

7) Install ceiling fan grade outlet boxes in any location you even suspect might warrant a future ceiling fan. The previous homeowner who had my current home built wanted to save money by installing ceiling fans themselves so they told the contractor "no ceiling fans". Later the homeowners installed ceiling fans in every room. The problem that I am now dealing with is that the contractor installed light weight ceiling outlet boxes that are not suitable for the weight and torque of ceiling fans. These boxes are failing and I'm having to replace them.

Good luck.

DC
 

yeldogt

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In my case the house plan was drawn up from scratch to match my very narrow long lot. If my house wasn't custom then I guess I have no idea what a custom house is then. I gave the draftsman a list of what I wanted and the house was designed around that. I needed city approval due to the narrow lot and gave up a few things I really wanted as the city wanted the house a little smaller.

The original contract was for $170,000 and my loan was for $190,000. About $5,000 of the contingency got used to cover some site issues and the other $15,000 went for upgraded finishes. ($190,000 did not include the lot.)


The word "custom" is used to describe everything from a development house with some changes to one designed by an architect down to the switch plates.

I see trucks with "custom drywall" ? -- how can drywall not be "custom"

The OP has not been back .. so we don't know his particulars. IMO - As your project gets more complex the number of builders able to successfully bid and complete the project on budget drops.

Have built numerous houses and the problem I had early on were mostly because I expected something that the builder did not. You can't hire a builder who spends most of his time working on "development" type construction to build your "Fallingwater". They are normally working against costs and don't have the subs to build a fine home. Another problem ... not hiring a builder with enough fire power. I have had friends hire small builders thinking they will get more personal service only to be disappointed when the builder is overwhelmed and running outside budget.

My current builder is large enough to have specialized crews for much of the build, reducing problem with subs. Having a builder that has worked successfully with your architect is also important. A good builder takes you out of the day to day problems ... making for less stress.
 

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If you make a mistake with anything you build, house or otherwise cover it with a sign that says "what the hell are you looking here for".
 

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I've custom built also. I think wssix99's comment was elated, but in the big scheme he was trying to make a valid point.

I was talking about "once the plans are done" and before there are any contractors or contractual estimates involved. I've never seen a first design come in low. :)

Custom is relative, but in my mind it involves a number of features one won't find in any spec house. All the special bells and whistles add up and a good number of them get hacked out during the contracting process.

The more "custom" one goes, the more risk they will end up taking on. When pushing beyond spec, the owner can't evade the extra risk, even with a signed contract.
 

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How about a set of 3way.....4 way switches in the bedroom(s) so when you climb in bed at night you can turn out the light from the side(s) of the bed rather than the doorway and then you have to walk in the dark, to the bed. I know it's a small thing but I love mine. Hey.....good luck!
 

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Here's some to put in bag of tricks:

a) Pocket door for MBR closet, utility room, etc where it would be convenient
b) Insulate all laundry rooms/bathrooms/mechanical rooms for sound proofing
c) Conduit from attic to unfinished area for central distribution of CATV, ethernet, telephone, security, etc. This will make it simple to run cables from over-the-air antenna or DISH/DirectTV if you go with that service. In general plan ahead to handle switching between various providers over life of house (ie AT&T U-Verse, cable co, DISH, etc) Similar conduit from main computer room/office to the central distribution point
d) Planned locations for penetrations of siding for electrical, NG, telco, CATV, etc so that it's not haphazard mess afterwords. NEVER, ever, NEVER let cable co/DirectTV guy walk around house drilling holes and hanging RG6 wires on exterior of house !!! :eyecrazy:
e) Hardware entire house with CATV, CAT 5e/6, speaker wires, security, etc while everything is open stud, including conduits where might later need to pull in new wire or fiber. Same applies to garage.
f) Ethernet hardwire runs to where security cameras will be (front door, soffet at peaks of house, etc)
g) Electrical run 20A and outlet up in soffet for Christmas lights
h) Floor electric outlet where Xmas tree will be in living room on a switch
i) Pull cans embedded in concrete floor of garage to winch in inoperable vehicles

There's also a GJ thread of things you would have done different if starting over. You really need to real that thread and similar threads.
 

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Make sure your electrician puts an outlet for a nightlight near the master bathroom toilet!

Don't let your insulation contractor skip corners, get spray foam airsealing around windows, doors and other wall penetrations.

Have fun, it is never perfect, know your plans and walk the site every day, they will miss a switch box or a 3/4 way switch and you may have to gently remind your GC to make it right.
 
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