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Between 265 & 485 SQ/FT Honest Bob's 20X20

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Honest Bob

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I just purchased my first house on the 14th of September. The main selling point of course being the two car garage. From my quick measurements I assume its a 20x20.

From the garage doors in.
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From the man door in.
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The side and part of the L shaped bench.
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The floor one crack down nearly the middle otherwise in good shape.
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Ceiling fan wired up with dun dun dun an extension cord. You may be able to see the ratchet strap hold up some of the supports?? :scared:
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220 for I'm guessing an RV? I'm pretty happy about having 220 already run. I am scared about the quality of the wiring though.
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The whole reason to have a garage.
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Here are the before shots of exploring.
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Crappy shelving.
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Its 1/3 insulated! :headscrat
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The beginning of the wiring disaster.
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Unknown switch above the man door. Found out it goes to the spot light outside.
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Clearer shots of the ratchet straps. :eek:
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Cleared off the bench. They have oil on them, I'm not sure if I want to attempt to sand them down or just replace the tops. Maybe tear it down and start over.
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Pulled out two extension cords that just hung there.
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Pulled down this nice wire shelving its slightly bent but salvageable.
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Removed a bunch of nails, screws, and the random shelving.
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Removed the shelving brackets from the top. I'm to short for that!
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The stuff I removed and or took down from the ceiling. Found what looks to be like a table saw stand and a brand new outdoor lamp post.
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I was happy to see there looked to be a network jack wired up for phone use.
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Then I found out where it came from. :eyecrazy:
I dont know how well data will travel when paired along the electric wiring.
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I plan to rewire, finish insulating, put up osb, paint, put in a rainwater sink, and tile the floor. All at a turtles pace.

I have to fix the garage door opener also. Its missing an eye, a remote and both doors need the safety wire run through the springs.

oh and be able to get the Internet out there either wired or wireless if i have to.

In general I just want everything to function properly.
 
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Phone or data should run perpendicular to power. Wired would be the best option, but also the most work.
 

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A new garage is always fun
Guess you will be busy for the next few saturdays
Good luck and thanks for posting the beginning of your project

All the best
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Phone or data should run perpendicular to power. Wired would be the best option, but also the most work.

The fact that its coming out of the electrical box is scary.

Oh boy look who's here now :p

Ben, I've gotta see the new digs buddy!

Stalker!! Absolutely! House warming party soon.

A new garage is always fun
Guess you will be busy for the next few saturdays
Good luck and thanks for posting the beginning of your project

All the best
Don

I wont be bored thats for sure!

Looks a lot like my garage when we moved in. Look forward to seeing what you do with the place.

Me too!
 
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Good luck with the rehab and nice suby

Thanks!

Tore down the one piece of mdf.
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Found these cool items behind it.
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Some shop vac attachments, a folding shovel, chain saw cover, dip stick,an air compressor blow gun, some sort of hook and what looks to be a front panel to a very old fridge.

Did some rearranging of wires in the basement and got the wired Internet working! A big thank you to the previous owner for running cat 5 for their phone. :thumbup: Who has a land line these days anyway.. :dunno:
 
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Buying an older home is always a fun exploration, learning what the PO did, why he did it, what you would do differently. Sometimes when a house has had several POs, you can discover a history and get a feel for how handy each PO was.

Your garage has such potential! I am in a rental town house right now, I would love to have a garage like yours.
 

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Congrats on your purchace although that wiring looks pretty scary. It looks like every inch of it should be pulled out and replaced. I see it being a cozy home for Subaru in the future.
 

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that plug outside should be a 120v 30a plug, common for most midsized travel trailers. The best suggestion i can give you is to either paint or do something to lighten up the color in there, you'll have a hard time lighting it up properly with surfaces with such low reflectances.
 
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Buying an older home is always a fun exploration, learning what the PO did, why he did it, what you would do differently. Sometimes when a house has had several POs, you can discover a history and get a feel for how handy each PO was.

Your garage has such potential! I am in a rental town house right now, I would love to have a garage like yours.

It will be an adventure for sure.

Congrats on your purchace although that wiring looks pretty scary. It looks like every inch of it should be pulled out and replaced. I see it being a cozy home for Subaru in the future.

Yeah, I'm gonna go over it with a fine tooth comb. I'm just happy the Subaru is in a proper garage. :lol:

that plug outside should be a 120v 30a plug, common for most midsized travel trailers. The best suggestion i can give you is to either paint or do something to lighten up the color in there, you'll have a hard time lighting it up properly with surfaces with such low reflectances.

Good info! I'm gonna have to look at the electrical situation again to see if I can get 220. I certainly plan on painting at some point.

I have some house projects to work on before the garage gets alot more attention.
 

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Congrats on the new house/garage. I think the first thing I would do is check all the wiring in the garage and probably the house also. You have no idea of the crazy things some homeowners try to do in the name of "wiring". Do this for your own peace of mind and safety.
 
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I will be doing some checking on the wiring for sure.

I scored a Craftsman drill press for $25 at a yard sale this weekend.
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Also scored this light for free. The pull chain switch was broke so I removed it and wired it up to stay on. Pull the chain or pull the plug, same difference...
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Got my tool box from my parent house.
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I will NEVER cut mdf in my garage again. Everything now has a good coating of dust on it. :eek:
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I removed part of the bench. It was soaked with oil, I have some termite damage to repair in that corner and I wasent sure it was the best use of space. I would like to be able to pull a car in that bay to work on.
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I will NEVER cut mdf in my garage again. Everything now has a good coating of dust on it. :eek:

Use a shop vac with a drywall bag installed. It makes a world of difference. Just make sure to not use a shop vac without the bag, the filter will clog in minutes. Then your back where your started.
 
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I'll keep that in mind. A shop vac is on the long list of wants.

Use a shop vac with a drywall bag installed. It makes a world of difference. Just make sure to not use a shop vac without the bag, the filter will clog in minutes. Then your back where your started.
 
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Got a picture of the electrical box. I've been busy doing research on what/how to start redoing the wiring situation. From what I can tell only 5 breakers in the box are being used the rest are spares. :lol:

As of now I think I'm gonna go with 20 amp outlets with 12ga wiring and a 20 amp breaker. I'm guessing the wiring should be run up the middle of the 2x4 studs and across the ceiling. I'm clueless as to what boxes to use. metal, plastic, old work, new work... :dunno: Is there a good book out there for this stuff?

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Looks like it's coming along nicely! Good job at taking the bad stuff down and doing things right instead of just making things work they way they are! You'll appreciate the extra time and effort for years and years! My Grandpa and Dad always told me if it's worth doing, it's worth doing right!
 

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I'm clueless as to what boxes to use. metal, plastic, old work, new work... :dunno: Is there a good book out there for this stuff?

There are some good books. Most of the stuff at Lowes/Home Depot would suffice for what you need to do. I would use plastic boxes, new work, since you have exposed framing.
I have to do a lot of that also. My garage only has 3 circuits in it, and all the outlets are on the same run. They have the garage door opener on a separate circuit for some reason, so when I need extra power I have to climb on something and plug in there! :lol:
Keep up the good work!
 

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Congrats on the new house--looks like you've got a great template to make a nice shop.

I spent 4 good years in Easton with fond memories. Is Porter's Pub still open?
 

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looks like you have some work ahead of you Bob..lol

the wiring hopefully won't be too much of a headache for you :thumbup:

My garage is roughly the same dimensions. I'm just doing small stuff to my side here and there :p

Nice scoob btw!!
 

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Before you start adding more circuits to your load center (breaker box) you should first fix the code violations already there. Unless your garage is a separate service, IE you have a separate meter for your garage, you are required to isolate the neutral and the ground wires. This means removing the large green wire, and buying the additional terminal bar and installing it on the panel. Move all of the grounds from the various romex cables to that bar. Be sure to also verify that the neutral is not connected to the case by a bonding screw. If it is, remove that screw. For more info on garage subpanel installation, check out all the multiple posts on the subject in the electrical area. Overall, not too bad considering what I've seen other places... Looks like you have 50 or 60A service to the garage assuming the feeder wire is 8awg or 6awg wire. The 100A main breaker doesn't mean you have 100A, it's just there as a disconnect means.

Brian
 

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Got a picture of the electrical box. I've been busy doing research on what/how to start redoing the wiring situation. From what I can tell only 5 breakers in the box are being used the rest are spares. :lol:

As of now I think I'm gonna go with 20 amp outlets with 12ga wiring and a 20 amp breaker. I'm guessing the wiring should be run up the middle of the 2x4 studs and across the ceiling. I'm clueless as to what boxes to use. metal, plastic, old work, new work... :dunno: Is there a good book out there for this stuff?

Yep as stated previously make sure you have the main grounded and connected properly.

20a circuits and 12 ga is great for a shop. Yes always try to stay near the center of the stud or other structural member so nails and screws are least likely to puncture. I recommend using nail plates anywhere a wire or pipe is drilled through a structural member. But that is above code.

Since your doing all the rough, you can use blue new work plastic nail on boxes. Some like the stronger brownish plastic boxes cuz they are sturdier, which is true. But it's your choice.

Another idea is to use a two gange box and have 2 circuits in there or just alternate circuits every other outlet.

Make sure to have a GFCI on the first outlet in the string and wire the rest on the load side of it so they are all protected. You can use a 2 gang box for the GFCI with a single mud ring. That will give you much more room for the wiring. Some recommend that method with all outlet the boxes...

Don't forget adding more outside outlets for convenience or lights. I also recommend adding extra runs of Cat5e or Cat 6 for??? It's a very versatile wire used for data networks, telephone, alarms\sensors, or CCTV. Don't forget coax for tv. For terminating the low voltage you can just use a mud ring nailed to the stud face in the location you want it. Or leave the wires hanging and after drywall etc put in a low voltage trim ring.

I just recently finished installing 8 CCTV cameras around my house and shop. I originally ran 2 extra Cat cables in shop and was able to run one into an eve of shop and the other is used inside so I have a camera inside my shop and the other is outside hanging from the eve viewing the main entrance and yard to my shop. The Cat cables run from shop through conduit to inside my house to location of the DVR. Video baluns are used along with the Cat cable for CCTV. I can now view my CCTV DVR from my phone or anywhere with internet access and see if I have lights on, doors open or if there is an intruder. Run extra wire, it's cheap now. I wish I would have added larger low voltage conduit and more Cat cable runs.
 
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Looks like it's coming along nicely! Good job at taking the bad stuff down and doing things right instead of just making things work they way they are! You'll appreciate the extra time and effort for years and years! My Grandpa and Dad always told me if it's worth doing, it's worth doing right!

That is the plan! :)

There are some good books. Most of the stuff at Lowes/Home Depot would suffice for what you need to do. I would use plastic boxes, new work, since you have exposed framing.
I have to do a lot of that also. My garage only has 3 circuits in it, and all the outlets are on the same run. They have the garage door opener on a separate circuit for some reason, so when I need extra power I have to climb on something and plug in there! :lol:
Keep up the good work!

New blue boxes it is! Almost all my lights are wired to a switch in the house which also turns on the floodlight into the yard. Two other lights I have to climb onto a ladder to plug in. Unacceptable!

Congrats on the new house--looks like you've got a great template to make a nice shop.

I spent 4 good years in Easton with fond memories. Is Porter's Pub still open?
Thanks! I'm not familiar with Porters Pub.


looks like you have some work ahead of you Bob..lol

the wiring hopefully won't be too much of a headache for you :thumbup:

My garage is roughly the same dimensions. I'm just doing small stuff to my side here and there :p

Nice scoob btw!!

It will be a learning experience thats for sure. Thanks!

Before you start adding more circuits to your load center (breaker box) you should first fix the code violations already there. Unless your garage is a separate service, IE you have a separate meter for your garage, you are required to isolate the neutral and the ground wires. This means removing the large green wire, and buying the additional terminal bar and installing it on the panel. Move all of the grounds from the various romex cables to that bar. Be sure to also verify that the neutral is not connected to the case by a bonding screw. If it is, remove that screw. For more info on garage subpanel installation, check out all the multiple posts on the subject in the electrical area. Overall, not too bad considering what I've seen other places... Looks like you have 50 or 60A service to the garage assuming the feeder wire is 8awg or 6awg wire. The 100A main breaker doesn't mean you have 100A, it's just there as a disconnect means.

Brian

Its a sub panel fed from the house on a 60 amp breaker. I will most definitely check on those issues you mentioned. :eyecrazy:
Yep as stated previously make sure you have the main grounded and connected properly.

20a circuits and 12 ga is great for a shop. Yes always try to stay near the center of the stud or other structural member so nails and screws are least likely to puncture. I recommend using nail plates anywhere a wire or pipe is drilled through a structural member. But that is above code.

Since your doing all the rough, you can use blue new work plastic nail on boxes. Some like the stronger brownish plastic boxes cuz they are sturdier, which is true. But it's your choice.

Another idea is to use a two gange box and have 2 circuits in there or just alternate circuits every other outlet.

Make sure to have a GFCI on the first outlet in the string and wire the rest on the load side of it so they are all protected. You can use a 2 gang box for the GFCI with a single mud ring. That will give you much more room for the wiring. Some recommend that method with all outlet the boxes...

Don't forget adding more outside outlets for convenience or lights. I also recommend adding extra runs of Cat5e or Cat 6 for??? It's a very versatile wire used for data networks, telephone, alarms\sensors, or CCTV. Don't forget coax for tv. For terminating the low voltage you can just use a mud ring nailed to the stud face in the location you want it. Or leave the wires hanging and after drywall etc put in a low voltage trim ring.

I just recently finished installing 8 CCTV cameras around my house and shop. I originally ran 2 extra Cat cables in shop and was able to run one into an eve of shop and the other is used inside so I have a camera inside my shop and the other is outside hanging from the eve viewing the main entrance and yard to my shop. The Cat cables run from shop through conduit to inside my house to location of the DVR. Video baluns are used along with the Cat cable for CCTV. I can now view my CCTV DVR from my phone or anywhere with internet access and see if I have lights on, doors open or if there is an intruder. Run extra wire, it's cheap now. I wish I would have added larger low voltage conduit and more Cat cable runs.

Good advice! Thank you! There is one cat 5e and one catv already run for me. The cat 5 wiring is part of what I do for a living so that wont be much of a problem. ;)
 
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Is there somewhere I can get all these electrical codes? Where is the cheapest place to be purchasing all wiring, boxes, outlets, and switches?
 

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Unsure if it is federal or state based, but you can buy a code book from most electrical retailers.

You can probably pay cash at any proper electrical wholesalers and get a better deal on the stuff you need than from Home Depot etc.
 
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A little update.

Got the bikes hung!
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Took down a bunch of stuff that was up in the rafters.

Wire, insulation, and some leftover flooring from the family room.
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Doors and misc wood.
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The shelving I put up above the garage doors.
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I got a nail in my tire the other day and figured it may have come from my stone parking space so I drug an old speaker around to see what it would pick up. I must have looked like a crazy person to the neighbors... :lol_hitti

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New comer here....20x20 nice size....looks like a little bit of work and you'll have a nice place for your toy....
 
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A long overdue udate. I have since added one more light and moved the existing lights around since they were clustered together.

Wired up the DCCD Pro controller on the wagon.
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I made a tire rack!
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Hung my extension cord.
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and have just been busy doing things in the garage.

New springs for the wagon.
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New control arms, tie rod ends, ball joints and end links on the gf's civic.
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Tore down a spare motor and trans for my civic.
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Claybar'd and waxed the wagon.
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Made this contraption made with fish tank magnets to pull all the metal out of my side parking spaces.
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The results! :shocking: :(
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